Preview 2023 Rd 12 Carlton vs Melbourne Friday June 2 7:50PM @ MCG

[Aphrodite]

Team is in …





IN: Alex Cincotta, Zac Fisher

16

Zac Fisher

Age

26

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

, Lochie O'Brien

4

Lochie O'brien

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.9

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.3

3star

CL

0.7

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.0

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.4

4star

CL

1.0

3star

, Jack Silvagni

1

Jack Silvagni

Age

26

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

5.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

1.3

1star

M

1.7

2star

T

0.7

1star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.8

4star

, Lewis Young

33

Lewis Young

Age

25

Ht

202cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

197.9

3star

D

4.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

1.0

1star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

26.0

1star

D

14.4

4star

K

8.2

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

6.4

5star

T

2.0

4star

MG

181.6

3star

OUT: Corey Durdin (knee), George Hewett

29

George Hewett

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.7

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

10.3

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

3.3

5star

D

13.8

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

9.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

(concussion), Ollie Hollands (collarbone), Nic Newman

24

Nic Newman

Age

31

Ht

186cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

13.7

5star

HB

5.9

4star

M

5.5

5star

T

3.3

5star

MG

400.8

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

2star

MG

157.0

3star

D

22.4

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

9.6

5star

M

5.4

5star

T

3.6

5star

MG

387.8

5star

(hamstring), Marc Pittonet

27

Marc Pittonet

Age

28

Ht

202cm

Wt

107kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.7

2star

K

2.9

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

3.1

5star

HO

22.3

5star

D

8.6

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.0

3star

CL

3.7

5star

HO

25.9

5star

D

5.8

2star

K

1.2

1star

HB

4.6

4star

CL

2.4

5star

HO

16.6

5star

(hand), Ed Curnow

AFL team changes: Five ins for Friday

Carlton has named five returnees for Friday night football.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Backs:	Alex Cincotta	Jacob Weitering	Brodie Kemp
Half-backs:	Lewis Young	Mitch McGovern	Adam Saad
Centreline:	Blake Acres	Patrick Cripps	Sam Walsh
Half-forwards:	Jesse Motlop	Charlie Curnow	Jack Silvagni
Forwards:	Zac Fisher	Harry McKay	Matthew Owies
Followers:	Tom De Koning	Matthew Kennedy	Adam Cerra
Interchange:	Jordan Boyd	Matthew Cottrell	Sam Docherty
	Lochie O'Brien
Emergencies:	Ed Curnow	Paddy Dow	Lachie Fogarty
	Lachie Plowman

 

[Franc de Borges]

Bring in Young and make McGovern play second ruck. We're going to get beaten there anyway, but at least he can use his spring and roam around the ground. If he squibs the centre bounce contests it'll be obvious to all and we can permanently put a line through him.

Newman > Cincotta
Pittonet > Young
Hollands > Binns
C. Durdin > Fisher
Hewett > Dow
Sub: E. Curnow > O'Brien

With mounting injuries and no expectation, this will probably be our best performance of the season.

 

[David Sylvian]

Absolutely try Mirkov, have said this before.
(My only reservation is the state of his ankle(s)which do not appear to be overly stable.)

 

[P_Crippy]

Does anyone in here have a logical reason for Dow not to be selected this week?
To my mind, with the outs we have, there is a spot there.

 

[Manhattanite]

Does anyone in here have a logical reason for Dow not to be selected this week?
To my mind, with the outs we have, there is a spot there.

He’s an inside mid and we have several playing and who are better than him. Unfortunately he isn’t able to play elsewhere with the skill set he has.


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[Matty411]

Does anyone in here have a logical reason for Dow not to be selected this week?
To my mind, with the outs we have, there is a spot there.

If he's not selected this week, he'd be every chance to sit out the season from here on tbh as he'd clearly have no chance at a game and the club has something against him.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Does anyone in here have a logical reason for Dow not to be selected this week?
To my mind, with the outs we have, there is a spot there.

I’d say because they want to give Cripps, Kennedy, Dow and Cerra 70% midfield time so probably not much room for a full time mid.

 

[RiCHii]

He’s an inside mid and we have several playing and who are better than him. Unfortunately he isn’t able to play elsewhere with the skill set he has.


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Vossy, is dat you?

 

[SurreyBlue]

He’s an inside mid and we have several playing and who are better than him. Unfortunately he isn’t able to play elsewhere with the skill set he has.


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He would also complement the slow work horse midfielders that we have in abundance. This excuse doesn’t cut it. Dow would balance our midfield group, that should consist, Cripps, Walsh. Cerra and Kennedy. That is our one wood but we refuse to rotate and play as a team.


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[ctwenty1]

Does anyone in here have a logical reason for Dow not to be selected this week?
To my mind, with the outs we have, there is a spot there.

yes, I can think of one

If the club has determined that he wont be on our list next year, then there is no reason to play him at the expense of someone who has a future ate Carlton

 

[Cringle]

FB	17​	Brodie Kemp	23​	Jacob Weitering	39​	Alex Cincotta
HB	15​	Sam Docherty	11​	Mitch McGovern	42​	Adam Saad
C	18​	Sam Walsh	9​	Patrick Cripps	13​	Blake Acres
OB	12​	Tom De Koning	5​	Adam Cerra	7​	Matthew Kennedy
HF	46​	Matthew Cottrell	10​	Harry McKay	35​	Ed Curnow
FF	44​	Matthew Owies	30​	Charlie Curnow	3​	Jesse Motlop
Inter	37​	Jordan Boyd	2​	Paddy Dow	25​	Zac Fisher
	33​	Lewis Young

OUTS
Newman, Durdin, Hollands, Hewett and Pittonet.

Maybe LOB for Sub.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Does anyone in here have a logical reason for Dow not to be selected this week?
To my mind, with the outs we have, there is a spot there.

Paddy played his first game last year in a narrow loss to the pies (not the last round). Towards the end of the game in a narrow loss there were a couple of breakdowns in defensive pressure which allowed Sidebottom to be completely free which allowed him to kick or set up easy goals. Sidebottoms man had to push up to cover the ball carrier who had no pressure on him.

My take was that the coaching panel thought that Dow was responsible for those breakdowns. Absolutely impossible to know for sure but he was dropped the next week despite o.k stats.

Played one more game but it was clear that the coaching panel was doing it under sufferance and he played like he had the sword of Damocles hanging over him.

Impossible to know for sure but we have heard "lack of defensive pressure" over and over again. Just my take and I could be wrong.

 

[HarryFlashman]

yes, I can think of one

If the club has determined that he wont be on our list next year, then there is no reason to play him at the expense of someone who has a future ate Carlton

Argument doesn’t stack- we play Ed who has no future. Dow at least could build draft equity if he performs well, off chance he kills it he could still be part of the future of the club.

 

[macky99]

Does anyone in here have a logical reason for Dow not to be selected this week?
To my mind, with the outs we have, there is a spot there.

Voss sticking to his guns.

 

[Blue Reaper]

Selection has to be principles based - players performing their role in the VFL whose inclusion would improve the team writ large. I want Dow selected, because I believe that to be the case. But the match committee think differently and I have to believe that it’s based on an objective, clear, strategic decision and not petty biases, agendas or perceived slights. That said, I hope he gets an opportunity to demonstrate what he has to offer. Can’t fault his resolve in the VFL.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Voss sticking to his guns.

Yes Voss will want him to stay in the twos to work on poor disposal, turnovers, slow ball movement and poor kicking for goal....

We just can't tolerate that in the seniors.

 

[haveago]

Does anyone in here have a logical reason for Dow not to be selected this week?
To my mind, with the outs we have, there is a spot there.

IMO there has been very little" logic "in Paddy not being given a go all year, particularly last week

 

[Tjblues]

Argument doesn’t stack- we play Ed who has no future. Dow at least could build draft equity if he performs well, off chance he kills it he could still be part of the future of the club.

Basically this.

The arguments that any of the decisions around Dow are personal just don’t stand up to scrutiny.

Given the pressure Voss and co are under, does anybody really think they’d sacrifice on-field performance to satisfy a petty grudge?

Rightly or wrongly they haven’t thought Dow being in the team will make us better. It’s really as simple as that.

 

[The Toad]

FB		Brodie Kemp		Jacob Weitering		Jordan Boyd
HB		Sam Docherty		Tom De Koning		Lachie Cowan
C		Sam Walsh		Adam Saad		Alex Cincotta
OB		Harry McKay		Adam Cerra		Matthew Kennedy
HF		Matthew Cottrell		Mitch McGovern		Patrick Cripps
FF		Blake Acres		Charlie Curnow		Jaxon Binns
Inter		Matthew Owies		Jack Silvani		Zac Fisher
		Lewis Young

OUTS
Newman, Durdin, Hollands, Hewett and Pittonet. Curnow, Motlop

 

[ctwenty1]

Argument doesn’t stack- we play Ed who has no future. Dow at least could build draft equity if he performs well, off chance he kills it he could still be part of the future of the club.

I think he should be played, but I can understand why they dont if the club have formed a view he has no future with us.

As for Ed, yeah probably could have been dropped, but not necessarily for Dow for the reasons stated above

 

[Jatz]

Unfortunate with the injuries but it certainly gives us an opportunity to freshen the team up a bit.

 

[HarryFlashman]

I think he should be played, but I can understand why they dont if the club have formed a view he has no future with us.

As for Ed, yeah probably could have been dropped, but not necessarily for Dow for the reasons stated above

You can’t as a club say he has no future with us thou.
He’s contracted, he’s playing well, you just can’t say NO he’s gone.
Just as much chance Voss will be gone before Paddy, the argument doesn’t stack.

 

[Cringle]

FB		Brodie Kemp		Jacob Weitering		Jordan Boyd
HB		Sam Docherty		Tom De Koning		Lachie Cowan
C		Sam Walsh		Adam Saad		Alex Cincotta
OB		Harry McKay		Adam Cerra		Matthew Kennedy
HF		Matthew Cottrell		Mitch McGovern		Patrick Cripps
FF		Blake Acres		Charlie Curnow		Jaxon Binns
Inter		Matthew Owies		Jack Silvani		Zac Fisher
		Lewis Young

OUTS
Newman, Durdin, Hollands, Hewett and Pittonet. Curnow, Motlop

Did you just copy and paste my format?

 

[Lukey Skywalker]

As much as I have loved Ed Curnow as absolute competitor & team man i could work out why he was even sub last week & when him cam on for Hewett he was not reactive & got caught afew times kicking it looks to have gone on 1 year to many in my personal opinion ... surely there are other blokes we can give a crack for the remainder of the season & see if they are up to it or give them more exposure ...be an interesting selection this week.

 

[blue healer]

Does anyone in here have a logical reason for Dow not to be selected this week?
To my mind, with the outs we have, there is a spot there.

I think the logical reason to pick Dow was negated last night when Cerra was freed to play. He almost had to be picked if Cerra was out but now, using our standard selection logic, Ed (who wasn't anywhere near our worst last week) could easily be seen by the M/C as the ideal replacement in the 22 for Hewitt. He has, after all, been picked every game this year.

That's the logic I would kind of expect. I don't agree with it for one minute but there it is in my view.

Having said that I fully expect Dow to be picked this week mainly due to the weight of public opinion and in the very likely event that we get smashed they can also give a big "told you so" to those of us who want to see him given his opportunity.

But spare a thought for him if that happens. The pressure on him will be enormous, he's minding a seat for a player struggling big time but will come straight in when cleared. On past selection practice he will, once again, be first man out regardless of the result unless he can actually pick up 5 coaches votes, not likely to get any more than that because the bar Vossy has set is far too high for Paddy.

I'd actually prefer him not to be picked unless we are prepared to give him a block of games.

 

[Brackets]

Does anyone in here have a logical reason for Dow not to be selected this week?

He’s an inside mid and we have several playing and who are better than him. Unfortunately he isn’t able to play elsewhere with the skill set he has.