Preview 2023 Rd 12 Carlton vs Melbourne Friday June 2 7:50PM @ MCG

[Aphrodite]

Team is in …





IN: Alex Cincotta, Zac Fisher

16

Zac Fisher

Age

26

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

, Lochie O'Brien

4

Lochie O'brien

Age

25

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.9

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.3

3star

CL

0.7

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.0

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.4

4star

CL

1.0

3star

, Jack Silvagni

1

Jack Silvagni

Age

27

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

5.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

1.3

1star

M

1.7

2star

T

0.7

1star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.8

4star

, Lewis Young

33

Lewis Young

Age

26

Ht

202cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

197.9

3star

D

4.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

1.0

1star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

26.0

1star

D

14.4

4star

K

8.2

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

6.4

5star

T

2.0

4star

MG

181.6

3star

OUT: Corey Durdin (knee), George Hewett

29

George Hewett

Age

29

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.7

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

10.3

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

3.3

5star

D

13.8

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

9.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

(concussion), Ollie Hollands (collarbone), Nic Newman

24

Nic Newman

Age

31

Ht

186cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

13.7

5star

HB

5.9

4star

M

5.5

5star

T

3.3

5star

MG

400.8

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

2star

MG

157.0

3star

D

22.4

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

9.6

5star

M

5.4

5star

T

3.6

5star

MG

387.8

5star

(hamstring), Marc Pittonet

27

Marc Pittonet

Age

28

Ht

202cm

Wt

107kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.7

2star

K

2.9

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

3.1

5star

HO

22.3

5star

D

8.6

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.0

3star

CL

3.7

5star

HO

25.9

5star

D

5.8

2star

K

1.2

1star

HB

4.6

4star

CL

2.4

5star

HO

16.6

5star

(hand), Ed Curnow

AFL team changes: Five ins for Friday

Carlton has named five returnees for Friday night football.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Backs:	Alex Cincotta	Jacob Weitering	Brodie Kemp
Half-backs:	Lewis Young	Mitch McGovern	Adam Saad
Centreline:	Blake Acres	Patrick Cripps	Sam Walsh
Half-forwards:	Jesse Motlop	Charlie Curnow	Jack Silvagni
Forwards:	Zac Fisher	Harry McKay	Matthew Owies
Followers:	Tom De Koning	Matthew Kennedy	Adam Cerra
Interchange:	Jordan Boyd	Matthew Cottrell	Sam Docherty
	Lochie O'Brien
Emergencies:	Ed Curnow	Paddy Dow	Lachie Fogarty
	Lachie Plowman

 

[AB_Blue]

Blues by 6 points


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[The Flying Doormat]

Teague imo likely knew he was a dead coaching wallking in the final few weeks of his tenure.

No matter what happens for the rest of the season, from all reports Voss won't be sacked before or after the season ends.

Apart from the meaningless words of a president under pressure, what reports are we talking about?

 

[thebluenewdeal]

Late to the party, but least we should see dow for a QTR or two tomorrow night.

I’m all for that!

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Midfielder. I see him in there with another young one. Durdin. ?Cripps or and Bam Bam forward .


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Yeah can see him rotating through and playing ahead of the ball more as well. Not a skill comparison but a role one - bit like a taller less contested petracca before he moved more into the midfield. Over head strength and agility. Think he's too attacking and creative to be a long term lockdown tall defender.

Yeh can cop the odd error Kemp makes. Can't cop the schoolboy errors Gov made against the Swans last week (i.e. failing to shepherd, giving a holding free away for holding a man half his size)...

bit of a concern. Think he's just playing well within himself. Did see him overlap run at least twice which is a slight improvement on the week before. Hopefully stays trending up for gov but he's been lacking.

Still think he makes it, but no, has been a liability last 2 weeks

nah. not at all.

 

[xDQ82x]

I’m all for that!

Hope he goes well, but 6 touches in the last with 83.3% DE will still probably have people on his back.

 

[thebluenewdeal]

Hope he goes well, but 6 touches in the last with 83.3% DE will still probably have people on his back.

I don’t care what his stats read, I just hope he makes an impact when he comes on even if it’s a big tackle or smother. Just play with a presence.

 

[blues4flag]

Late to the party, but least we should see dow for a QTR or two tomorrow night.

Is this from your source?

We've been naming the omitted player as sub which we didn't do with Ed this week.

 

[Accidental genius]

I guess we will never know.

Forgetting about Dow it’s about all the players on the list. Some get selected regardless of form and some will never get rewarded. Terrible for team culture I would think.

Absolutely. Can’t see how you get buy in if you don’t apply same selection criteria to all players. As an example this week port captain has been dropped to find form. I can’t see us ever doing anything like that if it was necessary.

 

[xDQ82x]

Is this from your source?

We've been naming the omitted player as sub which we didn't do with Ed this week.

Info should be good

 

[Beyond Blue]

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Blues currently bottom 4 in goals kicked and goal assists - Melbourne Top of the league for goals and second for assists.
Simple targets - team needs to get to kicking 3-4 goals a game more than it is currently achieving....otherwise goodnight Irene.
Most of the damage is Conversion % - I can't find a teams-wide stat for that on footywire.

Finally some sound analysis. They average 15.6 goals and 9.8 behinds per game. We average 10.7 goals and 12.4 behinds per game - and that stat also doesn’t include shots that fail to register a score - and we know we’ve had plenty of them!!!

As much as people on here don’t like the “game plan” it’s generating enough opportunities but the players can’t convert the chances. I believe we can fix it and go on a bit of winning streak but we need to fix it up asap otherwise the shit will hit the fan.

 

[cookie monster]

This Dow situation is just terrible
Horrible for player sentiment
Just perplexing and so disappointing

 

[blue89]

Surely Dow has to come in regardless of whether or not he can perform at the top level. Without knowing how he is performing during the week, his performances on gameday for the have been very consistent and has had his tackle number go up this season which was always a knock on him in the past. The reason why he has to come up though is our problem (in my opinion) is a lack of effort, and when you have someone that is clearly putting in the effort in the twos that needs to be rewarded simply to show the message that hard work pays off.

Also, why do we need 5 back flankers and 4 wingers in the team, especially when these back flankers dont give us any real run and carry.

would have liked to see LOB and Acres (his kicking isn't helping our situation, but I admit he has been handy this year) not in the team, Walsh to play 100% mid and try put Saad on a wing or somewhere further up the ground. Being tagged in defense means that we are getting nothing from him, maybe being higher up the ground gives him more room to run and find space. Don't worry if his tank is no good, sub him at 3/4 time if necessary.

Get Cripps (he is taller than Charlie, and was damaging when camped there last year, but that experiment seemed to have stopped) and Kennedy sitting forward more often, rotating with Jack (as a mid, not only a ruck) and Fisher just to get a little more zip around the ball and a slightly better work rate. Would love Ed in the team to also rotate on the ball (yes he is old a butchers the ball often but again, his work rate is better than most. bloke busts a gut to provide an option other than bomb it long).

ridicule this as much as you like, but we gotta throw the magnets around somewhat to get our stars in damaging positions to impact the game and improve our work rate and be a little less one dimensional in the midfield.

 

[Kernafides]

We are in a big hole....if our culture is that bad that players are sooking it up because of Dows non selection we are in really bad shape lol

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Finally some sound analysis. They average 15.6 goals and 9.8 behinds per game. We average 10.7 goals and 12.4 behinds per game - and that stat also doesn’t include shots that fail to register a score - and we know we’ve had plenty of them!!!

As much as people on here don’t like the “game plan” it’s generating enough opportunities but the players can’t convert the chances. I believe we can fix it and go on a bit of winning streak but we need to fix it up asap otherwise the s**t will hit the fan.

Not disputing conclusions that we are generating opportunities but as a stats guy it's not a good analysis. What type of chances, average distance and difficulty, are generating more because we're missing more because we're shooting from tough angles? Are Melbourne not averaging more shots because the games reset to the centre after a kick from 20 out right in front ? What's their average kick difficulty? Etc etc etc. Are most shots generated from set shots or open play? Rushed behinds included? Hard to draw any real conclusions from goal kicking stats other than we miss too much but due to the overwhelming number of input variables that lead to that conclusion it's hard to then to judge it on merit or even compare it externally.

 

[thebluenewdeal]

Finally some sound analysis. They average 15.6 goals and 9.8 behinds per game. We average 10.7 goals and 12.4 behinds per game - and that stat also doesn’t include shots that fail to register a score - and we know we’ve had plenty of them!!!

As much as people on here don’t like the “game plan” it’s generating enough opportunities but the players can’t convert the chances. I believe we can fix it and go on a bit of winning streak but we need to fix it up asap otherwise the s**t will hit the fan.

You’re right about that but there’s even more issues going forward with the footy. A lot of our players aren’t recognising the cues at a consistent level to really punish the opposition on turnover. We rarely use the fat side to shift the defence and when we do we miss the shot. The worst part about all of this is that we are getting cooked at centre bounces. So when we do kick the goal from turnover, we usually lose the clearance and get forced to defend again. Just watch the 2nd and 3rd quarter against the swans. It’s actually painful how much all our effort gets undone by all the things I just mentioned.

 

[thebluenewdeal]

We are in a big hole....if our culture is that bad that players are sooking it up because of Dows non selection we are in really bad shape lol

Who’s sooking it up?

 

[Blue1980]

But why wouldn't he replace Hewett??? And BTW if you hadn't noticed, the stellar midfield you have listed is ranked 16th in the comp, the team is 12th and we are not playing Finals.

Can understand not changing a winning formula, but we have a losing formula and a lot of it is a consequence of having a one paced SLOW midfield.

This way they can stop the stupid plan of Kennedy in defence, he replaces hewett effectively.

Cincotta will go down back.

 

[OPofJazz]

I think we have a chance. I've got a good feeling.

 

[Blue1980]

Don’t want a superstar just pick a kid who is trying his guts out every week, is in better form than those in similar positions in our first 22, and try something different with the game plan.

Ed Curnow as sub ain’t cutting it every week.

I watched the vfl last week, and he was fine, but he isn’t better than Kennedy, who essentially is playing ahead of him.

We barely have room for kennedy in our midfield mix at the moment, been using him across half back, which is also stupid.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

We barely have room for kennedy in our midfield mix at the moment, been using him across half back, which is also stupid.

Partly because we don't have a rotation. We just set and forget for the most part which is a tad bizarre in this era of footy

 

[Blue1980]

In better form in the VFL. Put Cripps Hewett and Kennedy in the VFL what sort of numbers you think they’d rack up? He’s not ahead of those 3 at AFL level. I wish he was I really do I love the kid. But he ain’t. Ed’s done and I agree I’d rather Paddy’s even the sub but offers nothing different unfortunately

They’d be racking them up and be more damaging. Dows disposal still isn’t great, he is good backup but he offers us nothing better than what we already have.

I saw this in the vfl last week, he was fine, but unfortunately for paddy, we already have enough players like him in his role.

 

[Blue1980]

Lochie O'Brien has played 65 senior games and many more in the reserves, he's a known quantity.

Yet, is repeatedly selected after being dropped for clearly being well below AFL standard the moment any pressure is applied.

Dow, however, is not afforded the same.

We lack wingmen, we don’t lack inside mids. This is why setters was let go, Acres was recruited, kennedy has been stupidly used at half back etc.

I’m not a Vossy defender by any stretch, I hate our game plan and watching us play, but playing Dow isn’t the panacea to our issues.

 

[macky99]

Dow wouldn't change our fortune, in fact he would make it worse

But of course, I don't pick the side

We will never know, again the criteria/ selection process at Carlton is beyond laughable.

 

[Arr0w]

That’s the point!
Only one way to find out

That wasn't the point.

Point was, poster doesn't believe Dow will make a difference, like others that believe similar

Your response was dismissive, not one that nurtures open discussion

 

[Arr0w]

nah. not at all.

Yeah, absolutely