Preview 2023 Rd 13 Carlton vs Essendon Sunday June 11 7:15PM @ MCG

[Aphrodite]

Team is in ...


IN: Ed Curnow, Jack Martin

21

Jack Martin

Age

30

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

, Marc Pittonet

27

Marc Pittonet

Age

28

Ht

202cm

Wt

107kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.7

2star

K

2.9

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

3.1

5star

HO

22.3

5star

D

8.6

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.0

3star

CL

3.7

5star

HO

25.9

5star

D

5.8

2star

K

1.2

1star

HB

4.6

4star

CL

2.4

5star

HO

16.6

5star

OUT: Paddy Dow, Zac Fisher

16

Zac Fisher

Age

26

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

, Lochie O'Brien

4

Lochie O'brien

Age

25

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.9

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.3

3star

CL

0.7

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.0

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.4

4star

CL

1.0

3star

, Jack Silvagni

1

Jack Silvagni

Age

27

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

5.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

1.3

1star

M

1.7

2star

T

0.7

1star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.8

4star

AFL team news: Martin among three Round 13 inclusions

Carlton's team is in for the Round 13 clash with Essendon.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Backs:	Alex Cincotta	Jacob Weitering	Jordan Boyd
Half-backs:	Adam Saad	Mitch McGovern	Brodie Kemp
Centreline:	Sam Walsh	Patrick Cripps	Blake Acres
Half-forwards:	Jack Martin	Charlie Curnow	Sam Docherty
Forwards:	Matthew Owies	Harry McKay	Tom De Koning
Followers:	Marc Pittonet	Adam Cerra	Ed Curnow
Interchange:	Matthew Cottrell	Matthew Kennedy	Jesse Motlop
	Lewis Young
Emergencies:	Lachie Cowan	Paddy Dow	Lachie Fogarty
	Jack Silvagni

 

[Show_Me_The_Money]

Looking forward to seeing Ed grass regulation 25m passes all night.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I know everyone will say Voss is head coach ect.

But apparently it's more Tim Clarke that doesn't want dow in the midfield.

So my question is how much would the midfield coach get a major say in selection?

Tim Clarke has failed in every coaching job he has taken. He was Richmond's development coach until 2014. They got really good once he was gone and during his first stint with us. Paddy had one season under Clarke the first time around. If he is the reason, then I'd blame those above Clarke more than Clarke himself.

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

I know everyone will say Voss is head coach ect.

But apparently it's more Tim Clarke that doesn't want dow in the midfield.

So my question is how much would the midfield coach get a major say in selection?

Well Tim Clarke is back here because Crippa wanted him there but the midfield currently isnt firing like last year so… Timmy would want to be 100 that he’s right in leaving Dow out.

 

[passmark]

Gobsmacking myself as I type this.
I didn’t think Martin was any chance.
He looked BUGGERED halfway through the third at the magoos.

I’m glad he’s in.
Maybe someone other than H and C can take a mark inside 50.

 

[passmark]

Cunners seemed more ready than Martin!! If u HAD to have one of the two

That’s what my eyeballs said but they be lyin’ eyeballs!!!!

 

[gbatman]

I know everyone will say Voss is head coach ect.

But apparently it's more Tim Clarke that doesn't want dow in the midfield.

So my question is how much would the midfield coach get a major say in selection?

Another of our high grade coaches who who has a great coaching background and record with loads of success and a strong resume who was sort after by all the other clubs just falling over each other to get him but we got him...

If only.

Another example of someone who was probably only going to get a job at a couple of the other clubs in the league... or just us. Probably no one wanted this job, no one wanted him, it worked out perfectly.

What has been wrong with Carlton the last 23 years is the same thing that is wrong with Carlton now. No one wants to work here unless they are overpaid or have nowhere else to go. We are the end of the road. We are coaching purgatory. We get the nobodies and we go nowhere because of it.

Getting in the old gun coach or person who has that Carlton connection and surrounding them with nobodies is the reason we are where we are. Our reputation and treatment of staff is why we are here and will continue to have nobodies.

John Elliott started it, built a reputation and brought a stench to the club that kept people away. When the last of the great coaches left (Parkin) and the salary cap scandal came to light, the rot set in the stench wafted out over the rest of the competition and everyone bar the peasants and the overpaid have stayed away.

I actually feel sorry for guys like Brad Lloyd, he's probably chasing the right people and saying the right things but he probably just can't get them.

I really do not know what it's going to take to fix this.

Brian Cook is the last great hope we have at rebuilding our reputation and turning us around and making us a destination club again.

Bloody sick to death of these second rate staff we have when clubs like Collingwood, Richmond, Geelong and Melbourne can go out and put together gun teams in their football departments.

And for what it's worth, the head coach overrules the assistants. It's his job to make final decisions. So yeah it is on Voss leaving Dow out.

 

[Worm4]

Can't believe Martin got selected. Does anyone believe that we will get a full 100 minutes out of him ?

 

[Blue since 72]

I know everyone will say Voss is head coach ect.

But apparently it's more Tim Clarke that doesn't want dow in the midfield.

So my question is how much would the midfield coach get a major say in selection?

Given that Voss empowered his line coaches to make their own calls when he got to the club, I'd say he backs Clarke in on his selections and to that end he is endorsing those selections.

 

[Blue_Hock]

Maybe they'll play Martin for a half then sub Dow in for the other?

 

[gbatman]

Outs make sense.

Silvagni can't take an overhead mark and is not really a second ruck and hasn't been kicking goals.
O'Brien had an opportunity and did nothing.

Fisher does not tackle and avoids body contact and chasing and always has. Pretty much a better version of SPS. Times up.

Dow was good when played last week without being great, so half opportunity. I'm pissed off he hasn't been given a real opportunity at all. Again coaching and development at Carlton is the worst in the league.

Martin is a real forward and half forward. If he plays well we win.

Pittonet lets TDK go forward as the third tall forward we need.

E Curnow is old but plays better than most.

Our refusal to play Binns is wrong. We have that wrong. Our coaches ability to judge players on ability and assess them is bottom of the table as well. We just have no idea.

 

[Benaly28]

So break the potential subs down.

Cowan-0%
Fogarty-5%
Jsos-(not sure if fit)

That leaves Dow.

But who the F*** knows.


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[ESKIE]

We’re going to nail these ****ers

 

[Accidental genius]

I know everyone will say Voss is head coach ect.

But apparently it's more Tim Clarke that doesn't want dow in the midfield.

So my question is how much would the midfield coach get a major say in selection?

Im not sure i believe this. The way Voss responded in a post match presser last year to a question on dows performance it was clear he does not rate him at all. Could be wrong but that’s the impression I have.

 

[xDQ82x]

I don’t believe this. The way Voss responded in a post match presser last year to a question on dows performance it was clear he does not rate him at all. Could be wrong but that’s the impression I have.

Could be both??

 

[Mr_Plow]

Can't believe Martin got selected. Does anyone believe that we will get a full 100 minutes out of him ?

No. Or if he does, minimal chance he backs it up next week.
Not up to it.

 

[Hands On]

Regarding team selection nothing new and nothing to see here. MC keeps dishing up the same Sh#t every week and as much as I hate *, I fear we are going to cop the mother of all pump sessions. They move the ball better than us with more precision.

Loosing substantial amounts in the building industry over the last few years, the only thing i had to look forward to was looking for our improvement and possible rise to finals this year. CFC has broken my spirit. And honestly Voss is no professor of the game, we recruited him cos we burnt other applicants and painted ourselves in a corner.

I am now preparing myself for the inevitable, some serious pain and turmoil for the remainder of the year plus more.

 

[Jimmae]

When did I say that? I would prefer any mid over Curnow - think I have made that pretty clear in previous posts. But I wouldn't have Dow and Ed in the same team as it means a Kennedy or Cerra play HB which is borderline psychotic imo

It works if you leave 1 or 2 spots in the forward line open. The answer was to drop Motlop to rest.

Here for the Dow rage.

I’d like to see him get a full game, but that isn’t going to be the difference between winning and losing.

It's the 4 or 5 other selection decisions just like this that accumulate to us losing.

Have we gone in too tall for this one ?

We have 4 key defenders in the side, 2 key forwards and two ruckman. Essendon have 2 key defenders, two key forwards and 1 ruckman.

Is Young in the side to play on Wright when he's forward and what ... go to the bench the rest of the time? Feels like a waste of interchanges. They're going to smash us at ground level one feels.

Young is there to take Draper or Wright when forward, while Weitering will take Weideman, then you've got Stringer, Langford, Perkins and Martin for the medium defenders to consider.

Pittonet vs an extra runner is the tactical consideration here.

 

[Accidental genius]

Could be both??

Yes, quite possibly.

I shouldn’t have said I don’t believe it because Clarke might not rate him as well.

 

[GoBlues!]

That’s what my eyeballs said but they be lyin’ eyeballs!!!!

You can't hide your lyin' eyes.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Dow gets dropped after 30 minutes of game time …

Had
9 disposals
2x Inside 50s (1x score involvement)
2x Rebound 50s
159 meters gained
78% Disposal Efficiency

 

[Blue1980]

Yeah- Nah, let’s pot the bloke that has continually busted his ass every game & shown more effort & resilience than most at the club.
What it tells u is this is about Voss & him trying to save his ass, not putting the club & the team first.

How? If Dow plays and plays well, isn’t that good for Voss?

 

[jackn]

Dow hasn't necessarily been dropped...he was sub last week may be sub again...not sure why people don't get this lol

People want to see players rewarded for good form and dropped for piss poor form and efforts... not sure why you don't get this

 

[Mentallo]

What will happen...
IN: E.Curnow
OUT: Dow (sub)

Just quoting myself from Friday night post game last week........

 

[Jimmae]

Dow gets dropped after 30 minutes of game time …

Had
9 disposals
2x Inside 50s (1x score involvement)
2x Rebound 50s
159 meters gained
78% Disposal Efficiency

The only counterpoint to this is he operated at about 75-80% of the amount of game time he could have managed, which suggests he'd still be at 70% in a full match.

 

[Broadside]

Again it tells me Dow has already told the club he is off next year.

But he is still clearly giving a lot of effort. Selection integrity should still count.

And leaving him in the vfl for the rest of the year means we will get very very little currency for him. It’s dumb on many levels.