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VFL 2023 Swans Reserves
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I think there's a big difference between a tackle and an effective tackle.
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Problem I see that with that is would for example Bell & Taylor be getting midfield minutes instead of Corey Warner, would Sinclair's retention mean less McAndrew & Owen in the ruck?
The only guy who I would have retained was Clarke who was generally the midfield marshall prior to moving up to the firsts.
Happy he is still on our list.
The other issue is that someone like Bell can get better money in the SANFL and probably better off-field opportunities and would likely only have stayed if we game him a list spot.
Overall I'm happy with our list strategy. I just don't think you can generally have experienced players on your snr/rookie list who are unlikely to push for senior selection.
Injuries have hurt our reserves with the knock on effect.
The 3 Macs, Ladhams, Mills etc play in our firsts, other players drop back to the reserves and consequently the structure, the experience in the seconds is significantly improved and hopefully the performance/results improve.
Sure, but in terms of how many times a game he tackles an opposition player he does it more than any forward not named Heeney. If his defensive work is letting us down there are four other forwards letting us down more.
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I agree with that.
I've called for Wicks & Clarke to be dropped for the same thing as well, and I've called out Papley's lack of defensive efforts previously, though he obviously offers more than the others in an attacking sense. If it seems like I'm dumping only on Hayward, it's because he's the one yet to be held accountable for it, in my opinion.
I get it and it's a fair opinion.
We just slightly differ in that I think there are underlying list problems that run deeper than just short term injuries.
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REVIEW: Smithy's VFL Round 13
Sydney’s top level stood up, with Dylan Stephens (31 disposals, seven clearances, seven entries), Ryan Clarke (27 disposals, five clearances), Lachlan McAndrew (48 hitouts) and Corey Warner (21 disposals) putting the pressure on the AFL selectors.
Mid-season draftee Harry Arnold had 18 disposals, six marks and five rebounds against the team he was plucked from two weeks ago, while Jaiden Magor (21 disposals, seven marks, seven rebounds) and Caleb Mitchell (24 disposals) tried hard as their side’s inexperience was brutally exposed.
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Sydney’s top level stood up, with Dylan Stephens (31 disposals, seven clearances, seven entries), Ryan Clarke (27 disposals, five clearances), Lachlan McAndrew (48 hitouts) and Corey Warner (21 disposals) putting the pressure on the AFL selectors.
Mid-season draftee Harry Arnold had 18 disposals, six marks and five rebounds against the team he was plucked from two weeks ago, while Jaiden Magor (21 disposals, seven marks, seven rebounds) and Caleb Mitchell (24 disposals) tried hard as their side’s inexperience was brutally exposed.
REVIEW: Smithy's VFL Round 13
Cats and Dogs bolster finals chances; Kangas survive scare; Bees storm home for eighth-straight win; top-two deliver powerful statements
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The next month has us up against sides outside the 8. Getting a few players back into the senior team will flow down. Unfortunately Wicks got himself suspended instead of dropped, and the likes of Rankin, Endemann might be out for a bit (it never ends).
Not expecting us to win any of them, but should be better showings. Scheduling also hurts this week as we'll have to hold over a couple as sub, late in.
Not expecting us to win any of them, but should be better showings. Scheduling also hurts this week as we'll have to hold over a couple as sub, late in.
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Rankin might still be able to play this week.
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As an outsider looking in (appreciate the conversation earlier following the commentary side of things) .. the Swans Academy should be the life-blood of the VFL team; and will be a key to who the club picks up when it goes to the draft.
I've only been in Queensland since 2019 and around the VFL space since 2021; but most of the Suns and Lions players that have been picked up through various outlets (Rookie and pre-season selections) have come from the Academy program; which means most of the guys running around in the VFL have come through the Academy and additionally; the Senior listed guys have come through State League, Academy and then VFL.
Shadeau Brain kicked four goals for the Lions on the weekend and he was selected after the '22 draft on the back of an outstanding 22 season in the VFL after coming through the Academy program.
Gold Coast is loaded with them.
I'm in talk with a few mates who know the VFL program really well; we're of the belief now that clubs will start to bypass selecting players through the National Under 18s competition and will start to look at guys that come through that system, don't get picked up, go straight to the VFL, perform against Senior bodied players and have added exposure around the AFL system and then get picked up.. and it might take a few years of that development process from Academy to VFL but when they do come in; they're ready to go.
There were two debutants on the weekend that have come through the Academy with lots of potential and a few years in the VFL system might very well see them develop, get stronger and set themselves up for a Rookie, Category B or mid-season selection. The list you have at present is young but there is so much upside for the top grade by having exposure to those kids.
I've only been in Queensland since 2019 and around the VFL space since 2021; but most of the Suns and Lions players that have been picked up through various outlets (Rookie and pre-season selections) have come from the Academy program; which means most of the guys running around in the VFL have come through the Academy and additionally; the Senior listed guys have come through State League, Academy and then VFL.
Shadeau Brain kicked four goals for the Lions on the weekend and he was selected after the '22 draft on the back of an outstanding 22 season in the VFL after coming through the Academy program.
Gold Coast is loaded with them.
I'm in talk with a few mates who know the VFL program really well; we're of the belief now that clubs will start to bypass selecting players through the National Under 18s competition and will start to look at guys that come through that system, don't get picked up, go straight to the VFL, perform against Senior bodied players and have added exposure around the AFL system and then get picked up.. and it might take a few years of that development process from Academy to VFL but when they do come in; they're ready to go.
There were two debutants on the weekend that have come through the Academy with lots of potential and a few years in the VFL system might very well see them develop, get stronger and set themselves up for a Rookie, Category B or mid-season selection. The list you have at present is young but there is so much upside for the top grade by having exposure to those kids.
I had that role in recruiting a few years ago , so many boys miss out and go back to home clubs and then improve and then deserve a chance
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Why do the Queensland Academies seem to churn out more talent than in NSW? We have a much bigger population.* Is it because the game is more rooted in Queensland even though Queensland is also a rugby league/union state too?
* Just checked: our population isn't bigger by as much as I thought. Roughly 8 v 5 million. I didn't realise Queensland had so many people these days.
* Just checked: our population isn't bigger by as much as I thought. Roughly 8 v 5 million. I didn't realise Queensland had so many people these days.
As a Victorian who moved to Queensland a little over 12 months ago, my observation is that AFL is more popular overall in Queensland than NSW. It's on the news and on the radio, everyone knows who the Suns and Lions are, even if they don't know the players and its just generally more supported than in NSW.
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....an effective tackle gets you suspended?
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Cadsky hit the nail on the head here with the exposure of the game being so much greater than NSW. Additionally, a big wave of Victorians have moved up to South East Queensland over the past decade; Victorians who grew up loving AFL, and naturally, bringing that love to the Queensland region; working hard behind the scenes, even at local club level to produce a greater culture and a more proactive club environment that engages with the community that makes it a more attractive destination for people wanting to be involved in the community and in sport.
Being one of those Victorians; I found it so much easier to get involved in the State system and because I have a strong passion for the game, it has made it easier to promote the game through key channels and inspire interest in the standard of the game around the country where a number of mates down south have taken the bait, moved up and been involved in the game..
Queensland at present is one of the, if not the fastest growing State for new participation in AFL over the past five years.. especially with COVID.
COVID did AFL a favour in Queensland, not just for having a major hub for AFL clubs up here (it did help); but play was only suspended for a brief time and for a long while; the State league competition was the main source of AFL viewing for much of the country, external to the AFL.. the main AFL states couldn't attend or be involved in VFL and local footy; so more eyes were on the Queensland product and that stimulated a high growth of engagement and participation during and following COVID.
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While I can’t vouch for the accuracy of this, as someone who grew up in Sydney in the 80s I was told by qldrrs that they regularly beat nsw in afl back then at state carnivals.
on the other hand western Sydney has been the heartbeat of association football (soccer) since before then. Marconi, Apia Leichhardt Sydney Croatia Sydney Olympic etc were much bigger in nsw than the equivalent communities in qld.
even now afl in Sydney is really confined or perhaps dominated by what was once the rugby heartland of the eastern suburbs and north shore. I’m sure afl is growing in the west but the strength is still that hills north shore and eastern suburbs grouping
on the other hand western Sydney has been the heartbeat of association football (soccer) since before then. Marconi, Apia Leichhardt Sydney Croatia Sydney Olympic etc were much bigger in nsw than the equivalent communities in qld.
even now afl in Sydney is really confined or perhaps dominated by what was once the rugby heartland of the eastern suburbs and north shore. I’m sure afl is growing in the west but the strength is still that hills north shore and eastern suburbs grouping
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From Swans injury update:
In the VFL match, Lachlan Rankin and Cooper Vickery failed to finish the game due to shoulder and foot injuries respectively. They will be assessed by the medical team and have imaging completed this week.
In the VFL match, Lachlan Rankin and Cooper Vickery failed to finish the game due to shoulder and foot injuries respectively. They will be assessed by the medical team and have imaging completed this week.
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Rankin has been named 
but no Vickery
Collingwood v Sydney Swans
Saturday, June 24 - 10:05am
AIA Centre
3. Dylan Stephens
4. Ryan Clarke
17. Will Gould
28. Will Edwards
30. Tom McCartin
32. Jaiden Magor
35. Caleb Mitchell
37. Corey Warner
38. Harrison Arnold
40. Cameron Owen
41. Lachlan Rankin
42. Robbie Fox
45. Hugo Hall-Kahan
46. Lachlan McAndrew
47. Jack Buller
52. Nick Shipley
53. Jake Bartholomaeus
55. Harry Morrison
58. Tom Longmire
62. Christian Webster
63. James Tidemann
66. Oliver Davis
68. Riley Fitzroy
EMERGENCY
60. Monty Velthuis
61. Max Geddes
64. Hamish Morrison
65. Ethan Grace
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but no VickeryCollingwood v Sydney Swans
Saturday, June 24 - 10:05am
AIA Centre
3. Dylan Stephens
4. Ryan Clarke
17. Will Gould
28. Will Edwards
30. Tom McCartin
32. Jaiden Magor
35. Caleb Mitchell
37. Corey Warner
38. Harrison Arnold
40. Cameron Owen
41. Lachlan Rankin
42. Robbie Fox
45. Hugo Hall-Kahan
46. Lachlan McAndrew
47. Jack Buller
52. Nick Shipley
53. Jake Bartholomaeus
55. Harry Morrison
58. Tom Longmire
62. Christian Webster
63. James Tidemann
66. Oliver Davis
68. Riley Fitzroy
EMERGENCY
60. Monty Velthuis
61. Max Geddes
64. Hamish Morrison
65. Ethan Grace
McCartin returns to play with the VFL
Damian Truslove has revealed his side ahead of the Swans clash with Collingwood.
Didn't realise it was in Vic, would expect Clarke and Fox to withdraw, as surely they stayed in Sydney.Rankin has been named
Collingwood v Sydney Swans
Saturday, June 24 - 10:05am
AIA Centre
3. Dylan Stephens
4. Ryan Clarke
17. Will Gould
28. Will Edwards
30. Tom McCartin
32. Jaiden Magor
35. Caleb Mitchell
37. Corey Warner
38. Harrison Arnold
40. Cameron Owen
41. Lachlan Rankin
42. Robbie Fox
45. Hugo Hall-Kahan
46. Lachlan McAndrew
47. Jack Buller
52. Nick Shipley
53. Jake Bartholomaeus
55. Harry Morrison
58. Tom Longmire
62. Christian Webster
63. James Tidemann
66. Oliver Davis
68. Riley Fitzroy
EMERGENCY
60. Monty Velthuis
61. Max Geddes
64. Hamish Morrison
65. Ethan Grace
McCartin returns to play with the VFL
Damian Truslove has revealed his side ahead of the Swans clash with Collingwood.
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That'd have to be close to the best line-up we've had all year with the ins, plus Shipley returning.
Hoping McCartin goes well and most importantly gets through unscathed.
Fox I'm assuming will be sub but if not I hope he plays in the mids, will be a massive boost to our midfield which is average.
And yay Rankin!!
Hoping McCartin goes well and most importantly gets through unscathed.
Fox I'm assuming will be sub but if not I hope he plays in the mids, will be a massive boost to our midfield which is average.
And yay Rankin!!
You'd have to think we'll keep Clarke and Fox in Sydney though. One as sub, one for any late out. Potentially the sub and Buller though.
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Yeah not ideal having the seniors and reserves playing in different states
Our midfield is average?
I’d hate to see below average.
No Konstanty is a bit of a worry.
