List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread II - Goldy&Bucket➡️✅/'24 EoFR & #44➡️Stephens&#25✅/#21&#25➡️Fisher&#17✅/'24 EoFR➡️#18✅

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Spoiler: 2023 Draft Order

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[Del191229]

Nobody worth it is coming to a side like ours at the moment unless we ridiculously overpay.l in both contract terms and capital.

Much rather just take one of the strongest hands to the draft in recent years.

I think you drastically underestimate the pull Clarko has.

But agreed that short of puling off a JHF like coup for a gun young player, we shouldn't be trading them.

 

[Del191229]

Brady being painted as a Alan Bond & channel 9 negotiator by some in here.

You're never allowed to mention Brady's many successes like ditching Ben Brown.

 

[Del191229]

Yeah maybe, though we could probably do that with 11 and 14 too.

2, 3, 5 = Curtin, McKercher, Watson? Hard to argue with that.

Yep, fills three major list holes.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

So the AFL hands us a pick that we have to trade with another (which we recieved for trading out a player) in order to get a pick that we should receive anyway?

So we go from having four first rounders to three?

Classic.

 

[joegreen]

Yeah maybe, though we could probably do that with 11 and 14 too.

2, 3, 5 = Curtin, McKercher, Watson? Hard to argue with that.

Souup roos_fanatic08 with 2, 3, 5 - who do you both take?

 

[FlyHigh18]

So the AFL hands us a pick that we have to trade with another (which we recieved for trading out a player) in order to get a pick that we should receive anyway?

So we go from having four first rounders to three?

Classic.

think you're reading too much into it. it's just a creative way to get us sanders with pick 14.
sanders was part of the help request remember?

 

[Rooboy1708]

Souup roos_fanatic08 with 2, 3, 5 - who do you both take?

Curtin McKercher Caddy

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

think you're reading too much into it. it's just a creative way to get us sanders with pick 14.
sanders was part of the help request remember?

The caveat attached to the pick is what I’m getting at.

Instead of the league just following what they’d done previously, it seems because of the ‘optics’ of NMFC having Pick 2 and potentially Pick 3 (both acquired through normal mechanisms available to any and all clubs) then handing over Pick 4 is ‘too much’. Not even mentioning Pick 14 (also gained through trading out a former Pick 1 after one year.

Instead, they’re trying to come up with new and exciting ways to keep other clubs happy (never, ever happened before) to satisfy the perception of ‘draft integrity’ (which has never mattered before with assistance packages).

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Souup roos_fanatic08 with 2, 3, 5 - who do you both take?

I think we'll go McKercher, Curtin and Sanders there if placed that way but Sanders may well be high for the Hawks so next up, Watson and perhaps Duursma is hard to miss.

 

[Shermanator]

There has to be a deal that could be worked out between NM, WC and GC that would suit all 3 parties if we want Reid and WC want two first rounders.
North 2,3, 11(assistance), 14
WC 1,19
GC 4
Not bidding on GC players also adds additional value as well as future picks.

If we want Harley that bad, (understandably) we will be the ones paying up for him.

Best case scenario..

North - 1, 3, 14 (6395 pts in) (7241 pts out)
WCE - 2, 4 (4551 pts in) (3948 pts out)
GC - 11, 19 (2277 pts in) (2034 pts out)

 

[blackshadow]

So now he has met with soldo and Darcy


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Were there any parmas or dimmies involved?

 

[Chog]

Cal Twomey saying that special access to Sanders is no longer on the cards, and pick 11 is looking like the preferred option now.

He expressed the view that there is a decent likelihood we'll go after pick 4 with picks 11 and 14.

From about 21.30 in gettable

In addition to pick 11 he also mentioned we could potentially get an end of first round pick in 2024.

 

[Roo202]

So the AFL hands us a pick that we have to trade with another (which we recieved for trading out a player) in order to get a pick that we should receive anyway?

So we go from having four first rounders to three?

Classic.

If this is all true and that's where our assistance is heading, that's exactly how it looks to me too.

Pick 11, after the non-finalists, seems to be some idea lessening the supposed compromising of the draft, but why? Look at the teams between us and finals;

Hawthorn - 3 recent flags, assisted by priority picks
GC - Not even going to use their pick, 3 incoming academy players, a bigger assistance package 4 years ago etc etc
Freo - Traded their pick to Melbourne who played finals (and have had multiple PPs)
Rich - See Hawthorn
Geel - See Hawthorn, but cheap father sons instead of PPs
* - irrelevant, next...
Adel - Probably the only team with a genuine case to it being unfair, but we had to suck it up when it was other clubs getting picks!

These are the teams and the picks that apparently can't possibly be compromised further to give us our assistance at where it should be.

If we can get assistance that allows us to trade up and get Sanders or another top 5 pick, obviously, it puts us in a better position than receiving no assistance at all. But why, with us, does it have to be done kowtowing to the other clubs? it's never mattered in the past.

Pick 14 is part of our payment for giving up two pick 1s last year, just like any potential FA comp, it is not the AFL's to artificially add to the pot and count it as some sort of overall assistance package. Why should we be forced to spend draft capital we already have, upgrading our assistance to where it should be to begin with!?

 

[KekiRoo]

You're never allowed to mention Brady's many successes like ditching Ben Brown.

Yeah, at the time I wasn't a fan of the move but in hindsight, especially given BBB's current state, probably the right call.

Still would love to know what happened behind the scenes though. To go from being offered a contract that would've made him the highest paid player to being traded out in a pretty messy exit.

 

[Del191229]

Yeah, at the time I wasn't a fan of the move but in hindsight, especially given BBB's current state, probably the right call.

Still would love to know what happened behind the scenes though. To go from being offered a contract that would've made him the highest paid player to being traded out in a pretty messy exit.

He wanted four, we said no chance your knee makes it that long, three max, he said fine we'll put the negotiations on hold hoping to pressure us.

Then COVID and The Hub and it will pear shaped, and by the end we'd decided we needed to properly rebuild and the three came off the table.

 

[KekiRoo]

The caveat attached to the pick is what I’m getting at.

Instead of the league just following what they’d done previously, it seems because of the ‘optics’ of NMFC having Pick 2 and potentially Pick 3 (both acquired through normal mechanisms available to any and all clubs) then handing over Pick 4 is ‘too much’. Not even mentioning Pick 14 (also gained through trading out a former Pick 1 after one year.

Instead, they’re trying to come up with new and exciting ways to keep other clubs happy (never, ever happened before) to satisfy the perception of ‘draft integrity’ (which has never mattered before with assistance packages).

The bit that staggers me is the apparent outrage from certain clubs about the assistance we get compromising the draft's integrity yet the deafening silence over Gold Coast getting 3 top 20 players via their Academy. With more to come next year as well I believe?

 

[Better Loosen Up]

The bit that staggers me is the apparent outrage from certain clubs about the assistance we get compromising the draft's integrity yet the deafening silence over Gold Coast getting 3 top 20 players via their Academy. With more to come next year as well I believe?

And the year after...

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

The bit that staggers me is the apparent outrage from certain clubs about the assistance we get compromising the draft's integrity yet the deafening silence over Gold Coast getting 3 top 20 players via their Academy. With more to come next year as well I believe?

Don’t get me started with the academies that are attached to the northern clubs.

In typical AFL fashion, instead of fixing that problem, they half arse the NGA situation and then **** that up.

The solution is simple.

They need to be run as an AIS type set up in each state. Centralised, coached, trained all through the AFL. Each and every player available to all clubs.

That would truly ‘grow the game’. But that’s not what it’s about. They’re about generating a continuous pipeline of players exclusively available to those clubs, in order to keep them at the pointy end of the ladder.

The GC one is failing miserably for various reasons.

 

[KekiRoo]

Don’t get me started with the academies that are attached to the northern clubs.

In typical AFL fashion, instead of fixing that problem, they half arse the NGA situation and then * that up.

The solution is simple.

They need to be run as an AIS type set up in each state. Centralised, coached, trained all through the AFL. Each and every player available to all clubs.

That would truly ‘grow the game’. But that’s not what it’s about.

Couldn't agree more.

Growing the game = AFL speak for how can we ensure the Sydney & Qld teams stay strong so we don't lose those markets.

 

[The b shart]

Cal Twomey saying that special access to Sanders is no longer on the cards, and pick 11 is looking like the preferred option now.

He expressed the view that there is a decent likelihood we'll go after pick 4 with picks 11 and 14.

From about 21.30 in gettable

They can throw in Caleb Graham as well

 

[Tiberius]

The bit that staggers me is the apparent outrage from certain clulbs about the assistance we get compromising the draft's integrity yet the deafening silence over Gold Coast getting 3 top 20 players via their Academy. With more to come next year as well I believe?

The lack of outrage is squarely down to the fact that those very same certain clubs are the ones who know perfectly well that they will benefit in 7 years time when all those high end draft picks given to the Gold Coast decide to exercise their free agency rights and come to Melbourne or Adelaide.

 

[Harris 10]

If we want Harley that bad, (understandably) we will be the ones paying up for him.

Best case scenario..

North - 1, 3, 14 (6395 pts in) (7241 pts out)
WCE - 2, 4 (4551 pts in) (3948 pts out)
GC - 11, 19 (2277 pts in) (2034 pts out)

What does no bid on Walter add to the GC points?

 

[pupstar]

What does no bid on Walter add to the GC points?

Pick 4 for us hopefully.

 

[Star]

Heck your more likely to get insider information from Beryl and her 90 year old bowls team as the hit the green at the Springvale junction….

To be fair, was it not “Beryl and her 90 year old bowls team” that kicked Essendon out of Windy Hill?

 

[noicsy]

The bit that staggers me is the apparent outrage from certain clubs about the assistance we get compromising the draft's integrity yet the deafening silence over Gold Coast getting 3 top 20 players via their Academy. With more to come next year as well I believe?

It’s because those clubs know in 2 years time when they are out of contract they can take those same players for cheap.

Gold Coast is essentially just a development club for the bigger Victorian clubs.