List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread II - Goldy&Bucket➡️✅/'24 EoFR & #44➡️Stephens&#25✅/#21&#25➡️Fisher&#17✅/'24 EoFR➡️#18✅

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[New_Roo]

I heard something on SEN today along the lines of they pay BMac 500 x 5 but with triggers…….triggers cant be included in compo. Would not surprise to see Hawks outsmart us.

He isn't going to hawks on 500/yr that's way under what he is looking for... and this is purely about his big payday


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[roos 10]

He isn't going to hawks on 500/yr that's way under what he is looking for... and this is purely about his big payday


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$825,000 6 years I heard

 

[New_Roo]

$825,000 6 years I heard

That's more like it


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[kool kangas]

I heard something on SEN today along the lines of they pay BMac 500 x 5 but with triggers…….triggers cant be included in compo. Would not surprise to see Hawks outsmart us.

If that was true all North would have to do would be to match it with the same triggers..

 

[desie]

Don’t get me started with the academies that are attached to the northern clubs.

In typical AFL fashion, instead of fixing that problem, they half arse the NGA situation and then * that up.

The solution is simple.

They need to be run as an AIS type set up in each state. Centralised, coached, trained all through the AFL. Each and every player available to all clubs.

That would truly ‘grow the game’. But that’s not what it’s about. They’re about generating a continuous pipeline of players exclusively available to those clubs, in order to keep them at the pointy end of the ladder.

The GC one is failing miserably for various reasons.

The issue with that approach is talented 14-15 year old kids in the northern states usually have a choice, and most other sports can guarantee they stay at home.

There are plenty of players who have been developed through the Northern academies who have been passed up by their home clubs and ended up being good AFL players elsewhere.

I get the cynicism but I think people forget that we directly benefit from the game being stronger in NSW and QLD.

 

[LB2Snake]

His Manager would have rocks in his head to agree to that.

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They mentioned the triggers would take it up super high. I only caught it quickly on radio so unsure of the machinations. Sounded clever from Hawks though.

 

[JGreezy]

If Ben were to sign a deal that is manipulated to cost us band 1 compo then booing is on the table because that would be a very campaignery thing to do to your club.

 

[northbergs]

So the Hawks will go from 3 to 4 if it's band 1. I guess it's better they get him and do that than another team make them drop to 4. It better be band 1.

If it’s not band 1, couldn’t we just demand their pick 4 as a trade?


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[LB2Snake]

He isn't going to hawks on 500/yr that's way under what he is looking for... and this is purely about his big payday


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Purely quoting what they were talking about on radio. Club are manipulative AF. Wouldn‘t trust any of them.

 

[shintemaster]

The issue with that approach is talented 14-15 year old kids in the northern states usually have a choice, and most other sports can guarantee they stay at home.

There are plenty of players who have been developed through the Northern academies who have been passed up by their home clubs and ended up being good AFL players elsewhere.

I get the cynicism but I think people forget that we directly benefit from the game being stronger in NSW and QLD.

It's irrelevant whether we or any other clubs benefit in some way. What's more important is that in a competition apparently chasing equity clubs in some states benefit more than others. It does us no good to get a scrap every now and again whilst GC are getting multiple first round picks even if they finish first...

 

[Sphynx]

He isn't going to hawks on 500/yr that's way under what he is looking for... and this is purely about his big payday


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Exactly, especially with 2 other guaranteed offers on the table.

He’s not taking a performance based contract as the biggest free agent of the year.

He could do his knee or break his leg, fracture his skull and never play again and lose close to a $1.5m of guaranteed money contained in triggers entirely designed to prevent North getting Band 1?

Yeah, nah.

 

[Hatchy1992]

Wouldn't put it past hawthorn to manipulate the deal in that way to cost us band 1...

But Ben... nah, I don't think he's that type of character.

 

[hilly]

They mentioned the triggers would take it up super high. I only caught it quickly on radio so unsure of the machinations. Sounded clever from Hawks though.

I think a few of us are looking for reasons to be worried tbh.

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[DunderHead]

I think a few of us are looking for reasons to be worried tbh.

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Probably. But until we have pick 3 in the hand…. Its going to be a nervous wait.

 

[Roostorm]

To be fair, was it not “Beryl and her 90 year old bowls team” that kicked Essendon out of Windy Hill?

Possibly…she’s and her team are more agile than that daft lot from windy hill

 

[Disco Dew]

Probably. But until we have pick 3 in the hand…. Its going to be a nervous wait.

****in oath

 

[DocSholl]

I heard something on SEN today along the lines of they pay BMac 500 x 5 but with triggers…….triggers cant be included in compo. Would not surprise to see Hawks outsmart us.

We don't have to match triggers, we only have the match the base salary (including match payments) and years. If the Hawks want to try and be smart then we would just match it.

 

[LB2Snake]

We don't have to match triggers, we only have the match the base salary (including match payments) and years. If the Hawks want to try and be smart then we would just match it.

Oh is that how the matching works? It sounds like clubs playing funny buggers and doesn’t surprise me in the slightest.

 

[DocSholl]

Oh is that how the matching works? It sounds like clubs playing funny buggers and doesn’t surprise me in the slightest.

Yeah, the club only has the match the base salary and years (presumably to stop exactly this scenario).

 

[Rod Stroker]

This Tackle Show is pushing for Boak to North for a couple of years, to teach TT and the kids what it takes to be a professional footballer.

I'm a Boak fan, he was one of the few having a go on Saturday night. I wouldn't be offering 2 years though. Maybe 1 with triggers. He could be our next Shiels.

 

[JGreezy]

This Tackle Show is pushing for Boak to North for a couple of years, to teach TT and the kids what it takes to be a professional footballer.

I'm a Boak fan, he was one of the few having a go on Saturday night. I wouldn't be offering 2 years though. Maybe 1 with triggers. He could be our next Shiels.

We've also been linked to Lycett. Maybe they can come along together.

 

[The Y Factor]

This Tackle Show is pushing for Boak to North for a couple of years, to teach TT and the kids what it takes to be a professional footballer.

I'm a Boak fan, he was one of the few having a go on Saturday night. I wouldn't be offering 2 years though. Maybe 1 with triggers. He could be our next Shiels.

I love Biak but isn’t Shiel already doing that role?

 

[Pagans Paddock99]

Where’s that list of players that have been linked to us?

Dylan Stephens

15

Dylan Stephens

Age

24

Ht

184cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.7

4star

CL

0.0

1star

D

10.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.7

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

10.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.7

4star

CL

0.0

1star

Zac Fisher

16

Zac Fisher

Age

26

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

Buku Khamis
Jacob Koschitzke
Nick Haynes

26

Nick Haynes

Age

32

Ht

192cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.4

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

326.8

4star

D

17.4

4star

K

13.9

5star

HB

3.5

2star

M

8.0

5star

T

1.5

2star

MG

326.8

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.2

4star

Hunter Clark

11

Hunter Clark

Age

25

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.9

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

Jack Ginnivan


Who could we target and make an irresistible offer to and attempt to shake out? Will potentially be armed with 2,3 11 & 14. We are paying our 40 odd players on our list way over market value already, in order to pay 95% TPP.

Ollie Lord? OOC next year and a Vic boy? Offer him a 7 year deal just to piss off Corn .

Ugle-Hagan? OOC next year. Dogs have Naughton, Lobb, and Darcy, Croft coming through? Sick of Bevo’s teeth.

Naughton? As above

Aaron Cadman? OOC 2024. Delayed contract talks already. Footy goods returning our original pick 1 from last year?

Liam Ryan

1

Liam Ryan

Age

28

Ht

181cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.6

5star

. Only 26. Apparently exploring a move to Vic. OOC 2024. Being linked to the Hawks. I’ve forgotten what a crumbing forward looks like?

Changkuoth Jiath

9

Changkuoth Jiath

Age

25

Ht

185cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.5

4star

K

5.0

2star

HB

9.5

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.5

4star

CL

0.0

1star

No current season stats available

D

14.5

4star

K

5.0

2star

HB

9.5

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.5

4star

CL

0.0

1star

. OOC 2024. Credits Clarkson as the biggest influence in his career. Has stagnated the last couple of years. Fresh start?

Liam Henry. Already requested trade? Why would St Kilda appeal? Could use the speed? Why St Kilda again?

Bailey Smith

3

Bailey Smith

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

. Fresh start? Sick of Bevo’s white teeth and confiscating his nose beers.








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[Rod Stroker]

I love Biak but isn’t Shiel already doing that role?

2 better than 1?

I wouldn't expect both to play every game, based on being managed, injury, giving kids game time, etc.

 

[Rod Stroker]

We've also been linked to Lycett. Maybe they can come along together.

Lycett is cooked. I'm not even sure it's worth giving up a list spot for him.