List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread

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Ok starting the hit list of names mentioned in any rumour as linked to us for 2023 trade period.
  • Mac Andrew
  • Hunter Clark
  • Zac Fisher
  • Sam Flanders
  • Mitch Georgiades
  • Liam Henry
  • Dougal Howard
  • Lewis Melican
  • Jack Silvagni
  • Dylan Stephens
  • Adam Tomlinson
 
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giantroo said:
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You’ve done well , will started his afl career as a promising defender before a premature end due to ACL injury , has worked alongside our prime movers in the Blair Hartley team et al and I recall was heavily involved in the mission to get marlion Pickett to tigerland , all the best I’m certain our club would be rapt for Will
 
Only North could have 5 rucks and 2 key forwards on a list. Great list balance. Who is a realistic target next off-season?
 

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jay317 said:
Only North could have 5 rucks and 2 key forwards on a list. Great list balance. Who is a realistic target next off-season?
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We have got Comben, Edwards, Larkey & CCJ.

David Hale played his best footy under which coach, became a very solid ruck/fwd? I'll give you a clue it wasn't the 8-9 years under Dani and Brad.

Ben McEvoy became a two-time premiership player under which coach?

As always everyone's entitled to their opinion, just not 100% sure where this dire need of another developing KP has come from?

Yeah I'd be all for bringing in an established gun KPF, not sure there is or was any available? So another young KP would take 3-4 years to develop.

On Charlie even though he hasn't played much, he is maturing and is more likely at 22 than some 80kg 199cm 18 yr old rookie.

Time will reveal all.
 
jay317 said:
Only North could have 5 rucks and 2 key forwards on a list. Great list balance. Who is a realistic target next off-season?
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Both Geelong & Richmond have only two Genuine key forwards & 4-5 Ruckman + 1 Forward/Ruck tweener.

Geelong: Genuine key forwards - Cameron, Hawkins. Rucks - Neale, Ceglar, Blicavs, Conway, Stanley, Tsapatolis. Forward/Ruck - Ratugolea.

Richmond: Genuine key forwards - Riewoldt, Lynch. Rucks - Nank, Soldo, Sampson, Colina. Forward/Ruck - Balta?.

North: Genuine key forwards - Larkey, Comen. Rucks - Goldstein, Xerri, Free, Edwards. Forward/Ruck - CCJ.

Our balance is nowhere near as bad as some like to make out.
 
Psicosis said:
Both Geelong & Richmond have only two Genuine key forwards & 4-5 Ruckman + 1 Forward/Ruck tweener.

Geelong: Genuine key forwards - Cameron, Hawkins. Rucks - Neale, Ceglar, Blicavs, Conway, Stanley, Tsapatolis. Forward/Ruck - Ratugolea.

Richmond: Genuine key forwards - Riewoldt, Lynch. Rucks - Nank, Soldo, Sampson, Colina. Forward/Ruck - Balta?.

North: Genuine key forwards - Larkey, Comen. Rucks - Goldstein, Xerri, Free, Edwards. Forward/Ruck - CCJ.

Our balance is nowhere near as bad as some like to make out.
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Minor correction on Balta, def not a ruck. But not a full fledged forward, either.

I think it's a key theme to Jay's point that the sides with two clear good KPFs can get away with less depth than a side that has 1+ an injured bloke who has played a game. We don't really have that luxury yet.
 
Themanbun said:
Minor correction on Balta, def not a ruck. But not a full fledged forward, either.

I think it's a key theme to Jay's point that the sides with two clear good KPFs can get away with less depth than a side that has 1+ an injured bloke who has played a game. We don't really have that luxury yet.
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My point was more that the list mix of a couple of key forwards & 4-5 rucks isn't the list disaster that some on here like to portray.

Carlton, Collingwood, Brisbane, Freo, GWS, Hawthorn, Port & West Coast are all clubs with only a couple key forwards on their list & much bigger ruck stocks.

Then there are clubs like Essendon & Melbourne, who have more then a couple, however the likes of Baldwin, Van Rooyen & Jefferson aren't going to be rolled out even if they get hit with injuries because they're not ready to play.

There are many ways to skin a cat.
 
Psicosis said:
Both Geelong & Richmond have only two Genuine key forwards & 4-5 Ruckman + 1 Forward/Ruck tweener.

Geelong: Genuine key forwards - Cameron, Hawkins. Rucks - Neale, Ceglar, Blicavs, Conway, Stanley, Tsapatolis. Forward/Ruck - Ratugolea.

Richmond: Genuine key forwards - Riewoldt, Lynch. Rucks - Nank, Soldo, Sampson, Colina. Forward/Ruck - Balta?.

North: Genuine key forwards - Larkey, Comen. Rucks - Goldstein, Xerri, Free, Edwards. Forward/Ruck - CCJ.

Our balance is nowhere near as bad as some like to make out.
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Our balance has been much worse due to Comben not being able to get on the park. Hopefully that changes this season
 
The acurate one said:
We have got Comben, Edwards, Larkey & CCJ.

David Hale played his best footy under which coach, became a very solid ruck/fwd? I'll give you a clue it wasn't the 8-9 years under Dani and Brad.

Ben McEvoy became a two-time premiership player under which coach?

As always everyone's entitled to their opinion, just not 100% sure where this dire need of another developing KP has come from?

Yeah I'd be all for bringing in an established gun KPF, not sure there is or was any available? So another young KP would take 3-4 years to develop.

On Charlie even though he hasn't played much, he is maturing and is more likely at 22 than some 80kg 199cm 18 yr old rookie.

Time will reveal all.
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Spot on.

My take:
  • In the timeframe the core of this team should hit its peak it's likely to be Comben or a traded mature KPF talent that will carry the forward line or support Larkey
  • If that doesn't happen any KPF we recruit today will be at the tail end of helping the current core structure, which means it has to be Edwards or CCJ that step in if the above doesn't happen.
 
Psicosis said:
Both Geelong & Richmond have only two Genuine key forwards & 4-5 Ruckman + 1 Forward/Ruck tweener.

Geelong: Genuine key forwards - Cameron, Hawkins. Rucks - Neale, Ceglar, Blicavs, Conway, Stanley, Tsapatolis. Forward/Ruck - Ratugolea.

Richmond: Genuine key forwards - Riewoldt, Lynch. Rucks - Nank, Soldo, Sampson, Colina. Forward/Ruck - Balta?.

North: Genuine key forwards - Larkey, Comen. Rucks - Goldstein, Xerri, Free, Edwards. Forward/Ruck - CCJ.

Our balance is nowhere near as bad as some like to make out.
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Looking at these rucks - it’s Better to be tall than good
 
Psicosis said:
Both Geelong & Richmond have only two Genuine key forwards & 4-5 Ruckman + 1 Forward/Ruck tweener.

Geelong: Genuine key forwards - Cameron, Hawkins. Rucks - Neale, Ceglar, Blicavs, Conway, Stanley, Tsapatolis. Forward/Ruck - Ratugolea.

Richmond: Genuine key forwards - Riewoldt, Lynch. Rucks - Nank, Soldo, Sampson, Colina. Forward/Ruck - Balta?.

North: Genuine key forwards - Larkey, Comen. Rucks - Goldstein, Xerri, Free, Edwards. Forward/Ruck - CCJ.

Our balance is nowhere near as bad as some like to make out.
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Richmond has a completely set defence with four players in the 22 that North would consider KPDs. Add on top of this Balta’s ability to swing forward and the fact that their game plan is almost completely unreliant on KPFs marking deep inside 50.

More than any other team, Richmond’s reliance on bring the ball to ground to rely on mediums and smalls to mop up means they can run with the 2+1 setup. North and Clarkson have relied on lead up marking in the past. To our single target forward line. I don’t think you can realistically compare the two.

Riewoldt (who happens to be a top 5 forward of the last 25 years) can work up the ground or kick from 45 plus.
 

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Richmond has a completely set defence with four players in the 22 that North would consider KPDs. Add on top of this Balta’s ability to swing forward and the fact that their game plan is almost completely unreliant on KPFs marking deep inside 50.

More than any other team, Richmond’s reliance on bring the ball to ground to rely on mediums and smalls to mop up means they can run with the 2+1 setup. North and Clarkson have relied on lead up marking in the past. To our single target forward line. I don’t think you can realistically compare the two.

Riewoldt (who happens to be a top 5 forward of the last 25 years) can work up the ground or kick from 45 plus.
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My point was simply that our mix of 2 + 5 isn’t catastrophic & something that a number of clubs at varying stages of their respective list builds run with.
 



Latest news on the biggest AFL contract storylines of 2023​

An emerging Carlton big man is in no hurry to sign a new deal, and he’s just one of the intriguing contract storylines set to unfold in 2023. Here are the players to watch.

Jon Ralph

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December 4, 2022 - 4:14PM
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Carlton ruck-forward Tom De Koning is likely to wait until well into next year to sign a new deal amid a logjam of Blues key position stars and significant rival interest.
The Blues were able to secure their attacking twin towers in recent months with Charlie Curnow (2029) and Harry McKay (2030) sacrificing their 2023 free agency by signing long-term deals.
Carlton hopes De Koning will take another strong step forward in his fifth season and join that pair and a bevy of Blues who have recently committed to the club in hopes of staying together for a premiership.
But De Koning is in no hurry to recommit despite Carlton’s hopes he might lock away a new deal over summer.
Curnow and McKay are such commanding figures in attack that they take up the lion’s share of inside-50 targets, with ruckman Marc Pittonet also set to be back at full fitness in 2023 after PCL issues this season.
Pittonet played only eight games in 2022, which allowed De Koning to play a career-high 19 AFL games in a year in which he turned 23.
Clubs believes De Koning could be the second forward or even first ruckman in many teams, which is why so many have inquired about his interest.
The likely outcome is he continues his progress as a versatile forward-ruckman who has a chance to play as the third forward given Michael Voss’s determination to play Mitch McGovern as a key defender.


McGovern’s lucrative five-year contract expires at the end of 2023, which will help clear salary cap space for a club that has paid up for stars including Curnow, McKay, Patrick Cripps, Sam Walsh, Zac Williams and Jacob Weitering.
Other Blues to come out of contract next year include Pittonet, inspirational former captain Sam Docherty, Sam Durdin, Jack Silvagni and Jesse Motlop.
Across the competition clubs that have all but finalised their lists with only one or two spots remaining for summer rookies are turning to re-signing their stars out of contract in 2023.
Where are the biggest contracts of 2023 at?

MATT ROWELL (GOLD COAST)
Gold Coast’s salary dump only works if the players they want to re-sign are on board with locking themselves in on long-term deals.
Which is why the strong recent progress on Matt Rowell’s contract talks will be music to the ears of Gold Coast fans.
The expectation is that deal will be done “sooner rather than later”, with a resolution on a newly minted deal close.
Rowell completing a strong bounce-back season after 2021’s osteitis pubis issues to finish sixth in the Suns best-and-fairest and play every home-and-away game.
It might not have been as explosive as that early-season tear in his debut year, but it was a critical stepping stone for the midfield clearance specialist.
Rowell could sign a two-year extension or a four-year deal to take him through to free agency and is yet to decide how many years that deal will be.

NOAH ANDERSON (GOLD COAST)
Talks have not yet started with Gold Coast and Anderson, but are expected to ramp up in coming months for a player who has gone past his best mate Rowell.
Anderson finished second behind Touk Miller in the club’s best-and-fairest in a breakout year when he averaged 26 possessions and 5.6 clearances and kicked a career-high 11 goals.
The expectation is that Anderson will commit over summer to a deal that should reward him with over $800,000 a season given the expected rise in the CBA.

DYLAN MOORE (HAWTHORN)
How much will Hawthorn’s decision to delist then rookie-list Dylan Moore at the end of 2020 cost the club given that list decision officially made him a free agent in 2023?
Moore went on to enjoy a breakout 2021 that secured him a two-year deal that expires next year.
Now the mid-forward will surely secure a premium as a 23-year-old free agent who has kicked 27 and 26 goals in the past two years and shown he can be a bona fide midfielder.
Moore went into the centre square in the last third of the year and was spectacular in wins against West Coast, North Melbourne and Gold Coast.

He has significant leverage because a club trying to build an elite list absolutely must keep him.
And clubs know full well they almost never find a free agent so young unless they secure that status through being delisted.
Mabior Chol signed a four-year deal worth over $400,000 a season when he won free agency through the same process as a player delisted then rookied by his club.
Moore is every bit a $600,000 per season player.

TOM GREEN (GWS)
Green is contracted until the end of 2023 and made clear very early he wasn’t going to be part of the exodus of players that saw Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper move to Richmond.
The grandson of Richmond premiership player Michael won’t be finding his way to Punt Rd but could show his burgeoning leadership by re-signing past 2023 with a minimum of fuss.
Those talks have not yet kicked off but Green can write his own cheque as an AFL player given his huge talent as a clearance beast.
GWS will hope that it is at a club where he has already professed his loyalty.
He stated his intention to stay early this year when he said “I’m contracted for this year and next year and I absolutely love being here, which is something not encouraging for Richmond fans to hear, I guess.”

SAM DE KONING (GEELONG)
The Herald Sun reported last week that talks are already underway for the prodigious intercepting defender to sign a new deal through to at least 2025.
De Koning is already re-signed to 2023, but why would you want to be anywhere else as a young premiership star?

BEN McKAY (NORTH MELBOURNE)
McKay hits free agency next year and all is not lost even if he decides he find greener pastures at the end of 2023.
As a likely bottom-four side the Roos would secure a top five free agency compensation pick if he left the club.
North Melbourne will hope for a strong start next year under Alastair Clarkson that showcases their potential and defensive depth with Griffin Logue alongside McKay.
If he displays the form that saw him control the air averaging 10 intercept possessions in his last six games of 2022, the ideal scenario is he signs a five-year deal well in excess of $4 million next year.
 
giantroo said:

BEN McKAY (NORTH MELBOURNE)
McKay hits free agency next year and all is not lost even if he decides he find greener pastures at the end of 2023.
As a likely bottom-four side the Roos would secure a top five free agency compensation pick if he left the club.
North Melbourne will hope for a strong start next year under Alastair Clarkson that showcases their potential and defensive depth with Griffin Logue alongside McKay.
If he displays the form that saw him control the air averaging 10 intercept possessions in his last six games of 2022, the ideal scenario is he signs a five-year deal well in excess of $4 million next year.
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No excuses. McKay and LDU should be locked up on 5 year deals before the season even starts.
 
jay317 said:
The contract the Phillies just paid Trea Turner should be a starting point for both of them.
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I just googled that. 11 year deal, 300m contract. Just lol. Never even heard of him.
 
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