List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread

[King Corey]

Edit: will update if ppl happy for this to sticky

Ok starting the hit list of names mentioned in any rumour as linked to us for 2023 trade period.

• Mac Andrew
• Hunter Clark
• Zac Fisher
• Sam Flanders
• Mitch Georgiades
• Liam Henry
• Dougal Howard
• Lewis Melican
• Jack Silvagni
• Dylan Stephens
• Adam Tomlinson

 

[The Nostradamus]

The AFL throwing us an end of first round priority pick to trade for Henry would be handy.

A start of first round is what it should be
Then we trade the port pick

Only way an end of first round is sufficient is if they give us sanders prelisted for free without needing to match a bid

 

[Psicosis]

what's a fair ask?

For Tarryn? I just wouldn't trade him personally. It would take something ridiculous which no club would offer to have me consider. I just don't think it's a chance of getting done.

 

[hoffseason gains]

I wouldn’t trade Tarryn off a rumour but if he requests fair enough. If he did choose Essendon my personal value would be Tarryn and port’s first rounder this year for their first this year plus their first rounder next year. Then we could try to use our first rounder next year to move into GC’s pick this year and our hand could look something like 2,3,5,9 and then with Essendon’s first next year. That could give us McKercher, Watson, O’Sullivan and Caddy (+Sanders) which would be a massive result. Then a death ride of Essendon would be next level.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

I rate Tarryn as the most talented player on our list. However if he was to stamp his feet asking for a trade after all that we'd have to consider it.

A deal centred around pick #8 coming to us probably would get it done. Maybe something like getting their F2 for our F3 in the trade would balance it out more in our favour.

It'd be a very disappointing outcome considering his level of talent and we'd just be trying to salvage some upside.

It is Dodo doing Dodo things. He is after a seemingly cheap kill. Hence, why I strongly believe this will fall through if it ever got to a trade request.

 

[Friday Night Lights]

A start of first round is what it should be
Then we trade the port pick

Only way an end of first round is sufficient is if they give us sanders prelisted for free without needing to match a bid

Yeah never said it was sufficient. Just closer to reality. I doubt we’ll even get that.

 

[Merlin007]

For Tarryn? I just wouldn't trade him personally. It would take something ridiculous which no club would offer to have me consider. I just don't think it's a chance of getting done.

Agree re: TT, but no, I was looking for your thoughts on Liam Henry (ie, what's a reasonable deal)?

 

[Merlin007]

That could mean that we get Sanders, Schoenmaker and Callinan.

If they do anything this year, there will be a cap, ie one per club - the rumour already has matching being capped for those who finish top four or top 8

 

[Merlin007]

So we basically get nothing and sanders costs us a first rounder?
Great assistance there AFL..

Not if we use 16 for something else

 

[The Filth Wizard]

I think if we had access to anybody else in our academy bar Sanders we’d know about it by now. We only know about Sanders because he isn’t yet in it.

 

[King Corey]

I think if we had access to anybody else in our academy bar Sanders we’d know about it by now. We only know about Sanders because he isn’t yet in it.

Hearing the NM BF board is petitioning to have bzparkes brought under our NGA Mod banner based on volume of recent posting.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Hearing the NM BF board is petitioning to have bzparkes brought under our NGA Mod banner based on volume of recent posting.

NGA here stands for No Girlfriends Academy.

 

[Heaps of fun]

NGA here stands for No Girlfriends Academy.

Did Clarko set that up?

 

[King Corey]

NGA here stands for No Girlfriends Academy.

Ah so he's a married man?

Sorry ladies.

 

[giantroo]

 

[JGreezy]

Great news. Good depth and a great example, at the very least.

 

[DesertRoo]

Whatever happens with TT, I hope the club uses it to maximum advantage.
Even if he’s planning on staying, I want every media in the country reporting we’re losing TT and McKay in the lead up to gf week when assistance gets handed out.

 

[The Dingrel]

Tom Morris' comprehensive AFL trade & contract update on Silvagni, Thomas, Hawkins, Dusty & more

The latest ahead of the trade period.

www.sen.com.au

Liam Shiels (North Melbourne)


“Liam Shiels is likely to play on, he’ll turn 33 in April and the club is keen for him to hang around for at least one more season,” he began on SEN's Whateley.


“He will eventually transition into list management and recruiting… my information is he will play on next year.”


Todd Goldstein (North Melbourne)


“If he wants to play at North, there will be an offer for him at North.


“I guess there’s three options for Todd. Does he play on at North, does he play someone else or does he retire? I’m told the third option is the least likely.


“It looks like he’ll be playing somewhere next year.”


Tarryn Thomas (North Melbourne)


“Mitch Cleary reported last night there’s some interest from Essendon in Tarryn Thomas.


“He is contracted for next year, he’s on good cash. So North will drive a hard bargain, a late teens first round pick won’t do it. They’ll want more than that.


“So whether Essendon is willing to give up its top 10 pick is yet to be seen.”

Liam Henry (Fremantle)

“Liam Henry has requested a trade and my information is he’s a fair way away from settling on a club.

“The reports that Hawthorn, St Kilda and North Melbourne all like him are true… what’s not as well established is what the Dockers would ask for.

“My belief is they’d request a mid-late first round pick as a starting point. They currently don’t have a selection before pick 21, having given away their 2023 first round pick to Melbourne in the infamous Luke Jackson trade.

Is the Port pick a fair price for Henry? Or prefer the draft at that level? I think we need to balance out the age profile a little.

“This gives them scope to get back in the first round…”

 

[The Dingrel]

They burnt a top ten pick right? I guess it might be like us not accepting something in the teens for Tarryn. But I do understand how much more talent tt has..

And contracted!

 

[shinboner magic]

Lion attracts interest, Docker signs on, rookie rule in motion

Check out all the latest trade news from around the League

www.afl.com.au

NGA BIDDING CHANGES DISCUSSED​

THE POTENTIAL to align the Next Generation Academy bidding system with the northern Academy rules is among the suggestions put forward by clubs as the AFL reviews its NGA system.


The League has had ongoing reviews of the NGA system – its rules, the access to talent for clubs, the eligibility process – across the year, with club views strong on questioning the pick 40 threshold on when they are able to match bids on NGA products.


Clubs have felt that benchmark for priority access to Indigenous and multicultural prospects in the draft was too late to warrant huge investment in the programs without the benefit of the best players within their zones.

Northern Academy clubs, like those with father-sons, have access to matching bids at any stage of the draft, with limitations only on how many per season clubs inside the top eight and top four can take inside the top 20 picks.

But club feedback on NGA provisions will be put forward on the Academy bidding systems aligning, while other clubs have suggested that clubs should need to retain a selection within a certain range of where the bid could come on a player so that they cannot trade out of a pick and match with later picks and points.

While the review is undergoing this year, any possible changes wouldn't be brought in until the 2024 draft. – Callum Twomey

FUTURE PICKS REQUIRED FOR TRADE UP​

CLUBS will consider dangling their future first-round picks to help break into the top end of this year's draft with a standout group of prospects emerging.

The top 10 picks of this year's draft have been set after the end of the home and away season but there is still expected to be plenty of movement, with Gold Coast to trade out its pick No.4, West Coast listening to offers on No.1, North Melbourne looking at ways to creep up from No.2 and a potential draft compensation pick coming in for Ben McKay.

Outside of the points-hunting Suns, clubs don't expect that bundling first-round picks with second-round picks will see any clubs interested in backing out of the top 10, with the likelihood that future first-round would be required to jump into the top echelon of the draft.


Collingwood looms as a club that could look to package its future first-round pick with its first-rounder this year to move up the draft order, with its current indicative draft hand being No.18, 33 and 74.


Harley Reid, Zane Duursma, Nick Watson, Daniel Curtin, Colby McKercher, Connor O'Sullivan, Ryley Sanders and Nate Caddy have developed into the standout top group of draftees this year outside of Gold Coast Academy pair Jed Walter and Ethan Read. – Callum Twomey

ROOKIE RULE IN MOTION​

THE AFL is contemplating extending the length of time a mid-season recruit can spend on the rookie list, after receiving support from clubs in a recent survey.


Under the current rules, players are required to be promoted to the senior list after three years on the rookie list.


Players selected in the Mid-Season Rookie Draft are currently more vulnerable given they only have two full seasons to prove themselves – if they secure a deal beyond the initial six- or 18-month contract – after arriving halfway through their first season.


Hawthorn midfielder Jai Newcombe is the poster boy of the Mid-Season Rookie Draft and the best player taken from the 2021 class, but others from that draft – Collingwood ruckman Aiden Begg, Melbourne key defender Daniel Turner, West Coast forward Connor West – all face uncertain futures right now.


Increasing the length of time on the rookie list won't be limiting financially and will provide clubs with greater flexibility.


If this is approved as expected, Ash Johnson will remain on Collingwood's rookie list next year, along with Greater Western Sydney forward James Peatling. Both have contracts for 2024. Johnson is also contracted for 2025. Wade Derksen and Max Ramsden also secured two-year deals this year which could see them remain on the rookie list for the duration of those deals.


Clubs have also expressed views on transferring primary listed players seamlessly to the rookie list without having to delist them first and then select them in the Rookie Draft, while there is also a push for the delisted free agency window to be introduced earlier.


AFL player movement manager Ned Guy has given clubs until September 1 to complete the survey with some changes expected to be implemented swiftly. – Josh Gabelich

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It should be no matching of bids for all clubs inside the top 10.

 

[Rod Stroker]

Morris says we're interested in Liam Henry and Freo expect a high teens pick for him. That's way overs for him.

 

[Its a Process]

Is the Port pick a fair price for Henry? Or prefer the draft at that level? I think we need to balance out the age profile a little.

Straight up its overs. Maybe if get a FF2nd rounder back its in range but i was of the belief there were some ok talls at the back end of the 1st round of this draft?

 

[The Dingrel]

If I'm reading the tea leaves, today's news that the AFL is looking at matching for NGA players similar to F/Ss is warming people up to a change - the talk is for implementation in 2024, but would it be a surprise if it were introduced this year for the bottom four sides (maybe with a limit of one per team)? Gets AFL House off the hook of giving us some assistance, but we land Sanders anyway

It would make sense to try to sure up the bottom teams before we enter the window of compromised drafts thanks to Tassie. Failure to do so could ruin the comp for the best part of a decade.

 

[Lomas]

I think if we had access to anybody else in our academy bar Sanders we’d know about it by now. We only know about Sanders because he isn’t yet in it.

Do we know if we actually have an academy for people to be in?

 

[Souup]

I like Henry but he's not worth a first rounder. His decision making is suspect and his kicking is inconsistent, plus he's out of contract.

I think we need more depth on the wing and with outside run generally, so I'd definitely explore the possibility of trading for him, but a 1st rounder is wishful thinking from Fremantle I reckon.

 

[The Dingrel]

I wouldn’t trade Tarryn off a rumour but if he requests fair enough. If he did choose Essendon my personal value would be Tarryn and port’s first rounder this year for their first this year plus their first rounder next year. Then we could try to use our first rounder next year to move into GC’s pick this year and our hand could look something like 2,3,5,9 and then with Essendon’s first next year. That could give us McKercher, Watson, O’Sullivan and Caddy (+Sanders) which would be a massive result. Then a death ride of Essendon would be next level.

Prefer he stayed a one club player! Been very good since he came back, but I can't help think he has a couple more levels higher to take his game starting in 2024. Perhaps why nothing gets done, we see the potential and want adequate compensation yet other clubs not willing to pay up for it......(possibly with Bread Scott being the exception).