Ultimate Glory 2023 Trade speculation and Shinbeggars discussion

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B Smith still in play. A bit to play out here.


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It will be small consolation for missing out on Esava McKay and Liam Henry.

 

[BobHawk]

Two years ago Smith was tracking the same if not better than Walsh, Butters and Rozee. His 2021 finals series was amazing. He’s had two down years since so he’s not at their level now. But he’s not lacking in similar ability. I’d trade our F1 and something extra (not pick 3) for him. He’s a very good player with ability to be a superstar if he puts it back together

Yes we are midfield heavy but no side without an excellent midfield can compete. It is by far the most important part of the ground and Smith is different to any of our current mids.

The goal should be to have as many players as we can that can play midfield. These players are capable of fitting in other parts of the ground. Interchangeable. We won premierships with players like Burgoyne and Hodge playing half back (and forward for Burgoyne) and being called upon in the midfield when required. A major edge on the competition. We peaked with this strategy in 2014 when we obliterated Sydney in the GF with Mitchell, Lewis, Hodge and Burgoyne interchanging in the midfield. We know Day can play back and Smith can kick goals. It would make our midfield a major force in the competition.

 

[WatWouldCyrilDo]

Not going to happen.

Why not? F1 + 30 is better than anything else they'll get noting pick upgrades this year are less enticing than future picks given they can make up the points required fairly easily with Chol and Hollands leaving.

 

[Hawk88]

I get that he was "great" 2 years ago argument but there has been 100's of players who have put together a few good years then just fallen away (Chad Wingard

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anyone?)

This does not mean Baz will reach these levels again, if we are serious about chasing him we need to be willing to pay what his output was over the last 2 years as this is more then likely his form if he comes over to us

He is simply not worth a F1 if we are going to finish bottom 4 next year, would you trade pick 3 for him this year? Same same

 

[Franko Armani]

Could play Small/Pressure Forward or he's not that kinda player?

He’s an attacking player, has been played off HBF and looked good as HFF earlier in his career. Very assured type of player, has confidence and uses the ball pretty well. Definitely has potential to improve beyond where he is now. Quick too.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Why not? F1 + 30 is better than anything else they'll get

It’s not.

They’ll get two first from the Dogs and then be able to do whatever they want with them.

 

[HairyO]

They don’t need to be that’s the point. They just need to be better than who they replace that’s what bringing in talent means. So you increase the total pool of talent when you are down the bottom. In a few years when we are rising we can reassess trade out where we are stocked and cherry pick for need. As an example if at our first pick we could choose McKercher Watson or Duursma I believe you take either of the last 2 and I pick McKercher as he is the best talent IMO

Im sure we get some good draftees. Im talking trades.

Of those mentioned which players on our list are they better than?

Chol is the only one who is a genuine improvement but only because there is noone he replaces, with Kozi gone.

 

[Yardie]

No - Richmond will just get him to put a front loaded price on his contract to get him. Also Norf have Larkey so have little need for Kosi. The PSD is a meaningless threat. It’ll get done for a reasonable price in the trade period.

Supposedly we have heaps of cap space. We can walk him straight back in.

 

[Billyc]

I get that he was "great" 2 years ago argument but there has been 100's of players who have put together a few good years then just fallen away (Chad Wingard anyone?)

This does not mean Baz will reach these levels again, if we are serious about chasing him we need to be willing to pay what his output was over the last 2 years as this is more then likely his form if he comes over to us

He is simply not worth a F1 if we are going to finish bottom 4 next year, would you trade pick 3 for him this year? Same same

That’s fair and that’s the challenge for him and any club he goes to. You’re right that some players do not go on with it and we have seen that with players we have recruited hoping they would recapture early career promise. Others like Dusty and Petracca had some years early in their career that did not match their ability and turned it around to become champions. It’s not without risk but then neither is any draft pick. Smith’s ceiling is very high

 

[Rowie6]

Can play good football no doubt. Absolute gun is stretching things. Great speed tough break the lines and damaging for sure, but poor disposal suspect defensive traits and issues off field would make me very wary. I wouldn’t be parting with the capital it would require and especially not our first this year. Absolutely reckless. But I guess I’m having a laugh and shouldn’t be taken seriously, right. Usually like your posts mate, not your finest hour.
Contend with different ideas with better ideas not by belittling your opponent. Unless you are auditioning to be a moderator…

The only way we spend Capital like this is for quality key position players that we need or perhaps a quality midfielder that can break the lines and his disposal is not suspect!We have enough midfielders that do don’t distribute by foot the best!
We need to be fussy in our rebuild not just jump on a player because he maybe available!


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[WatWouldCyrilDo]

It’s not.

They’ll get two first from the Dogs and then be able to do whatever they want with them.

Would you swap our F1 + 30 for picks 10 + 17, which will likely end up being picks ~13 + ~20?

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Supposedly we have heaps of cap space. We can walk him straight back in.

And piss off a player who wants to go elsewhere? That’ll definitely make it easier to attract players in future years.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Would you swap our F1 + 30 for picks 10 + 17, which will likely end up being picks ~13 + ~20?

You seem to have missed what the Suns are trying to do.

They have three Academy kids that they need to have Picks for in the top 12-15 players.

There’s a reason that everyone is saying the Dogs are leading the charge for Pick 4 and it’s because they hold two firsts that the Suns could land and then split for points at any point.

 

[Billyc]

And piss off a player who wants to go elsewhere? That’ll definitely make it easier to attract players in future years.

That’s not a thing. Geelong make it difficult for players to leave all the time and land more recruits than any other club. Not saying we will force him to PSD but this stuff about attracting future players isn’t real.

 

[Topiary]

The goal should be to have as many players as we can that can play midfield. These players are capable of fitting in other parts of the ground. Interchangeable. We won premierships with players like Burgoyne and Hodge playing half back (and forward for Burgoyne) and being called upon in the midfield when required. A major edge on the competition. We peaked with this strategy in 2014 when we obliterated Sydney in the GF with Mitchell, Lewis, Hodge and Burgoyne interchanging in the midfield. We know Day can play back and Smith can kick goals. It would make our midfield a major force in the competition.

Just got to remember the cost.

 

[killerspud]

He doesn't want to live in Geelong

Neither would i

 

[jenniferHAWKinS]

Next years draft is a midfielders one so trading out our future 1st (and sweeteners if necessary) for Bailey Smith

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is a no-brainer from our perspective.

 

[WatWouldCyrilDo]

You seem to have missed what the Suns are trying to do.

They have three Academy kids that they need to have Picks for in the top 12-15 players.

There’s a reason that everyone is saying the Dogs are leading the charge for Pick 4 and it’s because they hold two firsts that the Suns could land and then split for points at any point.

Someone did the sums, but if the Suns traded us pick 4 for F1 + 30, they would need something like ~800 points in order to match their 3 academy kids based on where Twomey expects them to fall. That is the equivalent of bringing in picks 38 and 39 - which could easily be done by trading Chol and Hollands.

Getting a future early selection instead of additional points this year would be much more attractive.

 

[Braidz]

IF… Bailey Smith is a ‘star’, THEN… I’ve lost all hope.

I feel sorry for people who don’t think he’s elite. I’m not sure there is help for you.

 

[Yardie]

And piss off a player who wants to go elsewhere? That’ll definitely make it easier to attract players in future years.

That really hasn't been working for us lately. And West Coast, who we have a good relationship with, are threatening to do similar to us.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

IF… Bailey Smith is a ‘star’, THEN… I’ve lost all hope.

Have a lay down, mate.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

IF… Bailey Smith is a ‘star’, THEN… I’ve lost all hope.

Rookie suits you

 

[theiaofseed]

Someone did the sums, but if the Suns traded us pick 4 for F1 + 30, they would need something like ~800 points in order to match their 3 academy kids based on where Twomey expects them to fall. That is the equivalent of bringing in picks 38 and 39 - which could easily be done by trading Chol and Hollands.

Getting a future early selection instead of additional points this year would be much more attractive.

They need points this year for their 3 top 15 selections, you could offer them pick 1 next year it doesnt suit their needs.

Picks 28,34,42,47 and 56 is only enough to match a bid for walter

 

[Ned Ryerson]

That’s not a thing. Geelong make it difficult for players to leave all the time and land more recruits than any other club. Not saying we will force him to PSD but this stuff about attracting future players isn’t real.

You’re comparing driving a hard bargain at the trade table to redrafting a player who doesn’t want to be at the club any more. Slightly different circumstances.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

That really hasn't been working for us lately. And West Coast, who we have a good relationship with, are threatening to do similar to us.

Nobody has convinced me yet how taking nothing is better than taking a 3rd round pick - particularly in a year where we’ll need points for McCabe. The PSD threat is a temper tantrum - I’m confident our club won’t go there.