Ultimate Glory 2023 Trade speculation and Shinbeggars discussion

[GinniAndTonic]

11:44 monday for me

I’ll go 12:24pm on Tuesday.

 

[Hawk the Talk]

Clarry must have just had a bad can of Coke.

Does it come in cans these days?

 

[TazHawk15]

I wonder if we can have a nearest to the pin contest for the 1000th post in this thread.

Put me down for 11:45am Monday.

I’ll go 11:46 am Monday

11:44 monday for me

It might have to come down to the the milli second.

 

[Jaeger007]

Waiting for Sleepy to come to the party

 

[Davo-27]

take the future 3rd and make negotiation friends like Wrighty did. the difference with Sleepy Mark is he is a great drafter whereas Wrighty was a great trade negotiator, take a leaf out of Wrights book on trading maybe?

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

take the future 3rd and make negotiation friends like Wrighty did. the difference with Sleepy Mark is he is a great drafter whereas Wrighty was a great trade negotiator, take a leaf out of Wrights book on trading maybe?

If suns will except the future 3 for Chol I’d do it!

 

[The Cleaner]

I wonder if we can have a nearest to the pin contest for the 1000th post in this thread.

Put me down for 11:45am Monday.

I’ll take 23rd April.

 

[Sixpence]

I wonder if we can have a nearest to the pin contest for the 1000th post in this thread.

Put me down for 11:45am Monday.

I'll go April 21, 2023 at 12:28PM

Ultimate Glory - 2023 Trade speculation and Shinbeggars discussion

If that’s the way it plays out, so be it. We should be uncompromising in our attempts to improve the list as soon as possible and open the window. I would bet that the “slowly slowly, we are hawthorn, they need to buy in to what we might be in 4-5 years time” isn’t how Mitchell will be...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[KermitJagger]

take the future 3rd and make negotiation friends like Wrighty did. the difference with Sleepy Mark is he is a great drafter whereas Wrighty was a great trade negotiator, take a leaf out of Wrights book on trading maybe?

Did we ever get anything for that much vaunted good will? I don't think so.

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

The biased media narrative being pushed is the Hawks are unreasonable. On the other hand the Cats wont accept pick 24 for Esava and yet the media narrative is so very different.

Here is a comparison between the two players.

Esava Ratugolea	Name	Jacob Koschitzke
Geelong Cats	Team	Hawthorn Hawks
Forward, Ruck	Position	Forward
75	Career Games	48​
Murray Bushrangers	Origin	Albury
July 24, 1998	Date of Birth	July 11, 2000
25yr 2mth	Age	23yr 3mth
198cm	Height	196cm
108kg	Weight	96kg
2016 National Draft	Last Drafted In	2018 National Draft
Round 3, Pick #43	Last Draft Position	Round 3, Pick #52
Geelong Cats	Last Drafted By	Hawthorn Hawks
2023	Stats for Season	2023​
16	Games	12​
5.8	Kicks	4.7​
3.1	Handballs	3.9​
8.9	Disposals	8.6​
4.4	Marks	3.2​
0	Goals	0.8​
0	Behinds	0.8​
1.4	Tackles	2.2​
0.1	Hitouts	2.2​
0.6	Inside 50s	0.8​
0	Goal Assists	0.2​
0.6	Frees For	1.2​
0.8	Frees Against	0.2​
4	Contested Possessions	5​
4.8	Uncontested Possessions	3.8​
7.1	Effective Disposals	6.7​
79.80%	Disposal Efficiency %	77.90%​
2.2	Clangers	0.9​
1.4	Contested Marks	1.4​
0	Marks Inside 50	1.8​
0.1	Clearances	0.3​
2.3	Rebound 50s	0.2​
6.1	One Percenters	1.1​
0	Bounces	0​
83.6	Time On Ground %	78.8​
0	Centre Clearances	0​
0.1	Stoppage Clearances	0.3​
1.2	Score Involvements	3.6​
119.4	Metres Gained	84.9​
1.6	Turnovers	1.4​
5.8	Intercepts	0.8​
0	Tackles Inside 50	0.7​

 

[cryptor]

I wonder if we can have a nearest to the pin contest for the 1000th post in this thread.

Put me down for 11:45am Monday.

1000th post was 12:28pm, April 21st 2023

 

[Noel Gallagher]

take the future 3rd and make negotiation friends like Wrighty did. the difference with Sleepy Mark is he is a great drafter whereas Wrighty was a great trade negotiator, take a leaf out of Wrights book on trading maybe?

What and learn how to bend over as Wright did for us?? GW and Clarkson set us back years with MM and Sam trying desperately to fix the whole JOM/Wingard mess in a short period of time

No thanks, give me sleepy over GW any day of the week and twice on Sunday’s

 

[cryptor]

I'll go April 21, 2023 at 12:28PM

Ultimate Glory - 2023 Trade speculation and Shinbeggars discussion

If that’s the way it plays out, so be it. We should be uncompromising in our attempts to improve the list as soon as possible and open the window. I would bet that the “slowly slowly, we are hawthorn, they need to buy in to what we might be in 4-5 years time” isn’t how Mitchell will be...

www.bigfooty.com

Ah you beat me to it. I knew I shouldn't have stopped for that GIF...

 

[Davo-27]

Did we ever get anything for that much vaunted good will? I don't think so.

Wright got his targets most of the time, except when the AFL stepped in.

 

[GerryLewis]

They really should change that rule about players agreeing to the trade. If contracted you go where the club decide is best for them

Devila advocate here, but we only seem to complain about that rule when it suits us. We are quite happy to accept Mabior coming to us, or Amon last year.

 

[KermitJagger]

Wright got his targets most of the time, except when the AFL stepped in.

He got his targets at any cost. I doubt we want to start replicating late Hawks era Wright deals.

 

[Sixpence]

Ah you beat me to it. I knew I shouldn't have stopped for that GIF...

Nah, I'm happy you fetched my crown!

 

[KermitJagger]

Devila advocate here, but we only seem to complain about that rule when it suits us. We are quite happy to accept Mabior coming to us, or Amon last year.

Amon was a free agent, he earned his right to choose where he wants to go.

 

[eldorado]

He got his targets at any cost. I doubt we want to start replicating late Hawks era Wright deals.

Yep.


A couple we absolutely should have walked away from.

"We got our man!" ...great, pity we lost the house...

 

[Davo-27]

What and learn how to bend over as Wright did for us?? GW and Clarkson set us back years with MM and Sam trying desperately to fix the whole JOM/Wingard mess in a short period of time

No thanks, give me sleepy over GW any day of the week and twice on Sunday’s

the point is we got our targets and some helped us win premierships, the problem is during that time we didnt take the draft seriously and that screwed us for years now.

i agree that

Sleepy - great drafter is better than Wright - a great trader.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Wright overpaid for his targets most of the time, except when the AFL stepped in.

FIFY

 

[MrPremiership]

If North are still crap after all these assistance package picks.....then what?

 

[Ned Ryerson]

If North are still crap after all these assistance package picks.....then what?

Give Port Melbourne their license.

 

[EdCurnowRules]

The fact it’s worth pennies is a good reason to play hardball on it. Not risking losing much

Howdy hawkers, I come in peace. Just on the Brockman deal, I suspect that the later picks that WCE have will be reserved for Lance Collard who is part of some academy or other, Naitanui or NG. Its not like WC to walk players to the preseason draft usually, but considering Brockman doesn't appear interested in moving to Freo despite the four year offer (crazy, right?), it seems that the hawks will just need to deal and move on.

 

[Snoref]

Devila advocate here, but we only seem to complain about that rule when it suits us. We are quite happy to accept Mabior coming to us, or Amon last year.

Amon was a FA, GC to get rid of mabior..not the same. I'm referring to when a player is still contracted but still gets to decide where they go? If your contracted and you want out the club will decide where you go, if the club you nominate can fulfill the trade requirements then you go to the club of choice otherwise you go where its best for the club..