List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part I

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botts said:
Can’t understand the hatred for Byrnes he has been good this year. Billings is just a plodder. Never gonna reach the heights we hoped. He can stay in the twos
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Seems RTB. doesn’t rate him either
 
BrutThough said:
Yet the heights you are disappointed that Billings has reached is higher than what Byrnes is producing.
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I guess they hope that a guy with 20 games will be better long term than an established GOP. I haven't given up on JB but he can earn every opportunity. He's coasted a lot of his career.
 

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Dard Ball Get said:
Lol, hatred.
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Hater. You hate trans people and Byrnes, probably started when he had that fruity hair. No wonder your political stuff keeps being deleted. I hope the mods are onto your hate crimes.
 
botts said:
Can’t understand the hatred for Byrnes he has been good this year. Billings is just a plodder. Never gonna reach the heights we hoped. He can stay in the twos
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Never going to reach the heights we hoped, but his disappointing heights are Mt Everest compared to the new Robert Eddy in Byrnes.
 

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BrutThough said:
That seems optimistic given Byrnes lack of skill.
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Same disposal efficiency and clangers at the same age. Billings is a teaser. He needs to get slapped about a bit and made to work hard to get the most out of himself. It's like if you let the dog piss on the rug, they get into bad habits. We need to neuter him to get him reprogrammed.
 
gringo2011 said:
Same disposal efficiency and clangers at the same age. Billings is a teaser. He needs to get slapped about a bit and made to work hard to get the most out of himself. It's like if you let the dog piss on the rug, they get into bad habits. We need to neuter him to get him reprogrammed.
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Byrnes>Bont
 
gringo2011 said:
Same disposal efficiency and clangers at the same age. Billings is a teaser. He needs to get slapped about a bit and made to work hard to get the most out of himself. It's like if you let the dog piss on the rug, they get into bad habits. We need to neuter him to get him reprogrammed.
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I dont think having the same amount of clangers is a good thing given JB close to double the dispoals at the same age.
 

ARTICLE PASTED BELOW

By John Ralph

St Kilda are in a period of transition under coach Ross Lyon, who is learning about his list on the fly. But how are they going to create up to $1.5m in cap space to land Tom De Koning and co?

Ross Lyon already knew Max King was a “special” talent to build a flag tilt around before he ran himself so hard he threw up at three quarter time in the loss to Hawthorn.

But in a first season at St Kilda he describes as a “year of exploration” he will have already learnt so much about his list in just 11 AFL games.

Last weekend as he drew breath to consider the club’s progress at the mid-season break this much was true in the world according to Ross.

St Kilda has vastly more young talent than the club had hoped even 18 months ago, with Matthaes Phillipou capable of anything, Mitch Owens a gloriously unique talent and the re-signed Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera humming along nicely.

And it has much more depth than it could have believed as Jack Billings and Tim Membrey played VFL while last year’s breakout midfielder Marcus Windhager worked on his deficiencies again for Sandringham.

Now comes the really interesting part for a team that has thrived under Lyon.

St Kilda has delayed a heap of contracts while Lyon and list boss Steve Silvagni assess what they have along with head of talent and acquisition Graeme Allen.

Those out of contract include Zac Jones, Jade Gresham, Nick Coffield, Jimmy Webster, Jack Bytel, Jack Higgins, Oscar Adams, Ryan Byrnes, Tom Highmore and Dan McKenzie.

For player managers patiently awaiting progress on talks for those players and more, it is getting closer to crunch time.

And yet the likelihood will be that St Kilda will play hard ball to create up to $1.5 million of cap space to go after A-grade talent that will actually take it closer to a premiership.

Rather than roll over deals for middle-tier players who have already been handsomely rewarded.

St Kilda has finally shed itself of the Dan Hannebery deal, has Hunter Clark and Nick Coffield on expiring deals of over $500,000, is in the final year of a Zac Jones deal paying him around $600,000.

Jack Billings has two more years and just over $1 million left on his deal but according to Lyon is now clearly a small forward after years of experimentation on the wing.

Lyon commented with an air of bemusement as he entered Moorabbin over summer that the Saints paid the same salaries as Geelong.

As in: Who are we over-paying given their brilliant output compared to ours?

Coffield is still 6-8 weeks away with recurring calf issues but the backline is well-balanced: Cal Wilkie, Dougal Howard, Josh Battle as the talls and Jack Sinclair, Liam Stocker and Wanganeen-Milera the smalls.

If Coffield does fit into the defence it will come with a significant cost saving on his next deal.

Lyon explained on Saturday that St Kilda’s small forwards were simply outperforming Billings after a limited prep off a broken leg, but with Jack Higgins, Dan Butler and Brad Hill in excellent form it’s hard to see how that changes.

If a rival believed it could get the best out of Billings it would clear $1 million of cap space chase quality talent, even if the Saints didn’t get an early pick back in return.

Quite clearly Jones will take a pay cut if he stays next year, while Jade Gresham is due for pay talks this fortnight but hasn’t shown he deserves a pay rise on a deal that is above $600,000 a season.

By targeted savings _ even with Max King’s new deal kicking in while re-signing Jack Higgins and Mason Wood _ it is easy to see how much cap space St Kilda has to play with.

The clear list gaps are an explosive mid-forward who wins clearances and kicks goals in a midfield where Seb Ross, Jack Steele and Brad Crouch are so honest yet similar players.

If only Jordan De Goey had not blinked that prayer would have been answered, although Jack Sinclair is just 28 and emerging as a full-fledged star.

St Kilda is likely to be a bidder for Tom De Koning and is interested in Port Adelaide’s Miles Bergman.

De Koning clearly looks the best of those options given St Kilda’s list needs but Bergman is a halfback who could easily roll up to the opposite wing to Wood or release Jack Sinclair to play permanent midfield.

Rowan Marshall has had a heck of a season playing pure ruck with some help from Zaine Cordy (13 ruck contests a game up until round 7), then Mitch Owens (28 in round 8) before Caminiti helped out in the past fortnight due to Owens’ concussion.

St Kilda could pitch to De Koning the role as King’s clear back-up who also releases Marshall forward, given he has kicked only one goal with his heavy ruck work load compared to 13 in 2020.

Just as Fremantle was able to shed millions in cap space and go after the game-changer it wanted in Luke Jackson, St Kilda’s improvement means it is ready to launch.

Those decisions ahead on contracts will be tough _ and likely involve some bruised egos.

But while Lyon has done the early-season heavy lifting now we get to see what Silvagni and Allan have in store.

On SM-S908E using BigFooty.com mobile app
 
Dard Ball Get said:
1. They’re “English”
2. People would pay good money
* cough * George * cough * to smell my seats
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