List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part I

[George]

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

I don't think Parish suits the long term strategy. There's an understandable temptation to plan a run at it while Steele/Sinclair etc are around, but I think we have to plan long term. King, Phillipou, Owens, Windhager, NWM, Byrnes, Caminiti finally gives us a young core to build around. It has been a couple of decades since we had a core of young talent that we could do that with.

Prioritise Phillipou, Windhager and Owens' development as midfielders. That's not to say we can't be a good team in the next few years, but I think being patient with those three midfielders gives us our best chance of sustained contending.

Yep just like last time we had the 03/04 crack with the kids in their 2nd-4th year (and some old hands) and then a proper crack with the kids (now in their prime) in their 8th-10th year.

You can probably draw a line through the list just after Gresham was drafted (also it's insane to think Ross (still 29) is the oldest player on our list excluding Campbell who's basically a break in case of emergency type).

Gresh (25)
Cordy
Butler
Dmac
Howard
Wilkie
Hayes
Marshall
Billings
Steele
Jones
Sinclair
Members
Crouch
Wood
Hill
Webster
Ross (29)

Then the younger core (excluding those that haven't played and aren't locks IMO)

Battle (24)
Paton
Higgins
Clark
Coff
Stocker
King
Byrnes
NWM
Windy
Owens
Caminiti
Philipou

Just got to find the right balance between developing these guys and making the most of the older guys. But Ross to Members (currently 28-30) have a good 3-4 years left minimum if we keep their bodies right. 32-33 ain't retirement age anymore. Add 2 years to everyone, you'd hope the top list is still going at the same if not better. And the bottom list are hopefully hitting their prime....

Fingers crossed Coff, Clark and Patto get a good run at it this year. All 4 (add Higgo) have had horrific injuries across their short careers. Would make a massive difference if they all kick on.

 

[Premium]

Yep just like last time we had the 03/04 crack with the kids in their 2nd-4th year (and some old hands) and then a proper crack with the kids (now in their prime) in their 8th-10th year.

You can probably draw a line through the list just after Gresham was drafted (also it's insane to think Ross (still 29) is the oldest player on our list excluding Campbell who's basically a break in case of emergency type).

Gresh (25)
Cordy
Butler
Dmac
Howard
Wilkie
Hayes
Marshall
Billings
Steele
Jones
Sinclair
Members
Crouch
Wood
Hill
Webster
Ross (29)

Then the younger core (excluding those that haven't played and aren't locks IMO)

Battle (24)
Paton
Higgins
Clark
Coff
Stocker
King
Byrnes
NWM
Windy
Owens
Caminiti
Philipou

Just got to find the right balance between developing these guys and making the most of the older guys. But Ross to Members (currently 28-30) have a good 3-4 years left minimum if we keep their bodies right. 32-33 ain't retirement age anymore. Add 2 years to everyone, you'd hope the top list is still going at the same if not better. And the bottom list are hopefully hitting their prime....

Fingers crossed Coff, Clark and Patto get a good run at it this year. All 4 (add Higgo) have had horrific injuries across their short careers. Would make a massive difference if they all kick on.

Management had a clean out and we moved on players or they retired and removing all the dour type players or injury prone crocs like Kent , Dunstan , Geary , Savage , Carlisle , Joyce , Newnes , Longer , Hickey , Lonie , Hunter , Hannerbery , Clavarino , Ryder , Acres , McKernan , Long.

I'm sure there are more that I have missed , but keeping average performers on the list prevents us from developing young talent from stepping up.

We have been lucky with Crouch , Wood , Wilkie , Howard , Butler - all top line performers and the young talent we have been able to pick up like Owens , Windhager , Milera and with King , Higgins , Clark , Coffield , Paton , Battle , Bytel , Byrne getting to the age where they are going to be at there best our list looks pretty bloody good - when you add on the experienced performers like Steele , Membery , Marshall , Hill.

We still have a heap of kids who are developing like Heath and others who could well be top liners as well , Sharman , Highmore , Connelly and Allison could all make the grade - for instance I heard from someone Allison looked like a different player this year and if it wasn't for him getting a injury he could well of been in the lineup instead of Hammer - believe it or not.

 

[triggering bro]

I reckon people stating “Parish doesn’t suit our list strategy” and “does he fit into our age demographic” are trying to be too cute. Reminds me of the Pelican and the Trout. Is he in his prime - yes. Does he make our team much better - yes. Does he cost draft picks - no. Is the coin worth the investment and not to the detriment of retaining players/going after others - to be confirmed. List management is easy business, unless you are a Pelican and overthink.

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

Management had a clean out and we moved on players or they retired and removing all the dour type players or injury prone crocs like Kent , Dunstan , Geary , Savage , Carlisle , Joyce , Newnes , Longer , Hickey , Lonie , Hunter , Hannerbery , Clavarino , Ryder , Acres , McKernan , Long.

I'm sure there are more that I have missed , but keeping average performers on the list prevents us from developing young talent from stepping up.

We have been lucky with Crouch , Wood , Wilkie , Howard , Butler - all top line performers and the young talent we have been able to pick up like Owens , Windhager , Milera and with King , Higgins , Clark , Coffield , Paton , Battle , Bytel , Byrne getting to the age where they are going to be at there best our list looks pretty bloody good - when you add on the experienced performers like Steele , Membery , Marshall , Hill.

We still have a heap of kids who are developing like Heath and others who could well be top liners as well , Sharman , Highmore , Connelly and Allison could all make the grade - for instance I heard from someone Allison looked like a different player this year and if it wasn't for him getting a injury he could well of been in the lineup instead of Hammer - believe it or not.

Yep I don't want to go early but we really seem to have few 'list cloggers' left. The older guys not getting a game have shown something and are unfortunately injured (Dmac, Hayes).

The younger guys who looked to be on their last chance are staking their claim (Bytel, Byrnes, Connelly). It's not going to be easy removing players from the list this year. I imagine a couple may ask for a trade and there will be some hard decisions made otherwise. Although considering our injuries there can't be too many players unhappy with their chances. And even Sharman and Connelly have shown enough to persevere with.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Yep I don't want to go early but we really seem to have few 'list cloggers' left. The older guys not getting a game have shown something and are unfortunately injured (Dmac, Hayes).

The younger guys who looked to be on their last chance are staking their claim (Bytel, Byrnes, Connelly). It's not going to be easy removing players from the list this year. I imagine a couple may ask for a trade and there will be some hard decisions made otherwise. Although considering our injuries there can't be too many players unhappy with their chances. And even Sharman and Connelly have shown enough to persevere with.

Unless DMac ends the season strongly i think we need to play the odds and just say , no he's not playing for us enough, and let him go.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

I reckon people stating “Parish doesn’t suit our list strategy” and “does he fit into our age demographic” are trying to be too cute. Reminds me of the Pelican and the Trout. Is he in his prime - yes. Does he make our team much better - yes. Does he cost draft picks - no. Is the coin worth the investment and not to the detriment of retaining players/going after others - to be confirmed. List management is easy business, unless you are a Pelican and overthink.

I wouldn’t have him not because of that but because the game has changed from stats padders. I think he would have about net zero uplift in Essendon winning. And at those dollars absolutely no value.

 

[The_Steadier]

Turning their nose up at Parish you’d think we were already running Hayes, Harvey & Winmar through the middle.

Imagine what RTB could do with this bloke (non manlet). Do we really think he’s not good enough for us?!

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He got those against fold coast and the dorks.

Let's not go nuts.

30% DE against us.

He's a decent player... but would command a big salary and as a mid just offers more of what we already have in spades.

What we need is an (uninjured) hannebury type.
Remember how good he looked in our midfield in the last game v the swans in 2022?

That's the kind of guy we need- an elite user of the ball, who finds it plenty (on the inside and out).

If noone like that can be shaken out via free agency or trade- we stick with guys like clark, bytel, jones, gresh, byrnes etc.

Hell I'd even love it if we took sincs out of the backline and into the middle fulltime.
Then that allows coffied and stocker to both play as intercepting, running backs.

 

[jwikked]

He got those against fold coast and the dorks.

Let's not go nuts.

30% DE against us.

He's a decent player... but would command a big salary and as a mid just offers more of what we already have in spades.

What we need is an (uninjured) hannebury type.
Remember how good he looked in out midfield in the last game v the swans in 2022?

That's the kind of guy we need- an elite user of the ball, who finds it plenty (on the inside and out).

If noone like that can be shaken out via free agency or trade- we stick with guys like clark, bytel, jones, gresh, byrnes etc.

Hell I'd even love it if we took sincs out of the backline and into the middle fulltime.
Then that allows coffied and stocker to both play as intercepting, running backs.

I know it's not happening now, but that Luke Parker a couple of years ago sounded good to me.

 

[gringo2011]

The club went away from the draft after 2020 because they clearly thought they were close enough to contending so they focused on trading in players that could take us the next step. In a sense this strategy has and hasn't worked. Yes we haven't played finals since, but I don't think its down to us having a poor list.

I think the club has realised that if you're going to top up for a run at the flag, the best thing you can do is bring in high end talent from the draft rather than trading for a messiah player. In the upcoming trade period, they'll have to be very pragmatic in order to sustain a period near the top of the ladder.

I've never been against trading in players but you don't get a missing piece like a Hill on huge dollars and trade capital when you aren't in finals range.

Anyway like Carlton, Richmond and Melbourne eventually you end up stockpiling enough talent to play consistent footy. I'm just glad we are here finally.

 

[gringo2011]

I’d rather wank with a barbed wire glove than deal with Dildoro and the Injectington Clown Show.

Anyway, in my view he’s a stats superstar. Gets big numbers, often does 2/5ths of **** all with them.

I think he's a free agent.

 

[gringo2011]

I reckon people stating “Parish doesn’t suit our list strategy” and “does he fit into our age demographic” are trying to be too cute. Reminds me of the Pelican and the Trout. Is he in his prime - yes. Does he make our team much better - yes. Does he cost draft picks - no. Is the coin worth the investment and not to the detriment of retaining players/going after others - to be confirmed. List management is easy business, unless you are a Pelican and overthink.

People freak out at any suggested player. People were spewing at the mention of Tom Mitchell.

 

[gringo2011]

I wouldn’t have him not because of that but because the game has changed from stats padders. I think he would have about net zero uplift in Essendon winning. And at those dollars absolutely no value.

I think people mark him down because Essendon has had such a poor run. People didn't want Dusty either. If there are premium free agents available it would be crazy not to have a look.

 

[Premium]

Yep I don't want to go early but we really seem to have few 'list cloggers' left. The older guys not getting a game have shown something and are unfortunately injured (Dmac, Hayes).

The younger guys who looked to be on their last chance are staking their claim (Bytel, Byrnes, Connelly). It's not going to be easy removing players from the list this year. I imagine a couple may ask for a trade and there will be some hard decisions made otherwise. Although considering our injuries there can't be too many players unhappy with their chances. And even Sharman and Connelly have shown enough to persevere with.

People were saying McKenzie was useless and he showed he was far from it and it actually shut a few up in here , same with Wood and even young kid like Byrnes - still developing.
Hayes the jury is out but he showed enough in a couple games he could be more than useful.
I wouldn't call McKenzie or Hayes list cloggers - they are injured.
Seeing Wood play now at 29 just shows you don't write off anyone.
McKenzie is with Wood one of the best endurance runners in the squad and at 26 could easily prove everyone wrong again - of course I'm on the positive side but he showed last year when the chips were down he produced.
I'm more worried about guys like Jones and Billings not meeting Lyons expectations , but we will see - it is a long season.

 

[gringo2011]

He got those against fold coast and the dorks.

Let's not go nuts.

30% DE against us.

He's a decent player... but would command a big salary and as a mid just offers more of what we already have in spades.

What we need is an (uninjured) hannebury type.
Remember how good he looked in our midfield in the last game v the swans in 2022?

That's the kind of guy we need- an elite user of the ball, who finds it plenty (on the inside and out).

If noone like that can be shaken out via free agency or trade- we stick with guys like clark, bytel, jones, gresh, byrnes etc.

Hell I'd even love it if we took sincs out of the backline and into the middle fulltime.
Then that allows coffied and stocker to both play as intercepting, running backs.

Averaged over 30 possessions a game for the last 2 years as well.

 

[triggering bro]

He got those against fold coast and the dorks.

Let's not go nuts.

30% DE against us.

He's a decent player... but would command a big salary and as a mid just offers more of what we already have in spades.

What we need is an (uninjured) hannebury type.
Remember how good he looked in our midfield in the last game v the swans in 2022?

That's the kind of guy we need- an elite user of the ball, who finds it plenty (on the inside and out).

If noone like that can be shaken out via free agency or trade- we stick with guys like clark, bytel, jones, gresh, byrnes etc.

Hell I'd even love it if we took sincs out of the backline and into the middle fulltime.
Then that allows coffied and stocker to both play as intercepting, running backs.

He’s been a consistent performer for several years now. AA selection in 2021. Averages over 30 the past few years. No.1 for clearances. Wins his own footy. Tackles. Two way runner. He’s got wheels. Why not.

 

[jwikked]

People were saying McKenzie was useless and he showed he was far from it and it actually shut a few up in here , same with Wood and even young kid like Byrnes - still developing.
Hayes the jury is out but he showed enough in a couple games he could be more than useful.
I wouldn't call McKenzie or Hayes list cloggers - they are injured.
Seeing Wood play now at 29 just shows you don't write off anyone.
McKenzie is with Wood one of the best endurance runners in the squad and at 26 could easily prove everyone wrong again - of course I'm on the positive side but he showed last year when the chips were down he produced.
I'm more worried about guys like Jones and Billings not meeting Lyons expectations , but we will see - it is a long season.

I presumed McKenzie would have been way older than 26. I really hope he continues to show his improvement and ability.

 

[Barrels]

I think he's a free agent.

He could come with a set of steak knives and, for a brief time only, a magic sponge… and he can STILL **** off!

 

[Mowman]

He could come with a set of steak knives and, for a brief time only, a magic sponge… and he can STILL **** off!

Not a fan ?

 

[Barrels]

Not a fan ?

Little choirboy looking, midget, pissant.

Looks like late 90s David Beckham’s dick.

Pads stats like a tween lass pads a bra.

F#%k him, and his Injectington stink until the sun dies and vaporises the planet. And then f#%k his reconstituting atoms some more.

 

[Premium]

People freak out at any suggested player. People were spewing at the mention of Tom Mitchell.

Dunstan would look good at the Bombers , it all comes down to what they do with the ball , not how many times they get it.
We have a few players I rate higher than Parish in our side - they may not be to his level atm but Owens , Winghager and Pou I feel will be game changers and Parish will only restrict there development and who knows what Bytel does when give a good crack - it must be remembered Parish was trade bait until he turned 24 and given a go.

Don't get me wrong he is a good player , but his hurt factor is not great - they are good players to have - but I feel we have the kids atm who could actually be by far better.
I'd rather get a elite kid in the draft somehow and we have Crouch and Steele and I feel we need that game changer - it could well be one of our kids - of course if a Parish came to us to on a deal like Crouch's - for sure get him , but that will not happen again.

 

[Mowman]

Little choirboy looking, midget, pissant.

Looks like late 90s David Beckham’s dick.

Pads stats like a tween lass pads a bra.

F#%k him, and his Injectington stink until the sun dies and vaporises the planet. And then f#%k his reconstituting atoms some more.

So that's a no ?

 

[SteeleSaints]

Not a fan ?

Nah I think its just the thought of dealing with Essendon...

 

[Barrels]

So that's a no ?

F#%k him, his family, his friends, his acquaintances, his neighbours, and anyone he’s ever interacted with in his entire existence.

Also, I hate his dog.

 

[Premium]

I presumed McKenzie would have been way older than 26. I really hope he continues to show his improvement and ability.

27 in a few month's , don't get me wrong he might end up like Hannerbery - but I'm sure if he can't get back on the park this year , he might be in trouble , because really we need players who are durable , the same goes with Jones.

 

[Barrels]

Nah I think its just the thought of dealing with Essendon...