List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part II

[Coconut_twirl]

Naz, Chito, Pou never in contention for a Brownlow?
Reckon our young ones match theirs.

Remember when Freo would just blow by us? We do need to consolidate with another good trade and draft period this year.

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Spot on. That’s the biggest difference from the Richo/Watters years. Back then, none of the kids looked like or threatened to become A graders. They ranged from solid B graders to delist material. Remember when the likes of Ledger, Spencer White and Dunnel were our high hopes?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Spot on. That’s the biggest difference from the Richo/Watters years. Back then, none of the kids looked like or threatened to become A graders. They ranged from solid B graders to delist material. Remember when the likes of Ledger, Spencer White and Dunnel were our high hopes?

Don't know if Dunnel was ever a "high" hope. We kind of hoped he would be good enough to play AFL footy, he nearly was.
Saad very much an almost.
Spencer could have been anything or nothing ( Nothing ).
Wright and McKenzie were meant to be promising mids.
Goddard.
Our first rounder Jamie Cripps , vanished into a late draft pick. ( Should have made the &*%$ go through the draft ).
Minchington, Curren.

 

[Coconut_twirl]

Minchington was another! Should recall him for this week because he always played his good games against Geelong.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Well we did sort of need it this year.

We don’t need Constable, Fiorini, Mathieson and so on

 

[gringo2011]

Naz, Chito, Pou never in contention for a Brownlow?
Reckon our young ones match theirs.

Remember when Freo would just blow by us? We do need to consolidate with another good trade and draft period this year.

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Well no. Nas would be the closest on actual output but HBFs don't win Brownlows. Pou is a promising kid as is Mitch Owens. Neither are in the running for next year's Brownlow unless you are projecting a lot. Newcombe is winning matches himself like a young Danger at the moment. We don't have anyone quite on that level apart from maybe Sinclair but he's not got that BDE of JN. He's as impressive as any young mid in the AFL at the moment.

Freo did jump us but have chosen to go back to move forward. Chasing Luke Jackson meant they had to shed some contracts and lost they highest goal scorer and their best wingman to clear up space in the cap. They will be okay in a couple of years maybe even next year. Jackso is starting to look like they player they'd hoped for.

We definitely need to consolidate at the draft but our list is still pretty ordinary. We look more on the Hawks, North type of level than the top 4 with our list. Honestly what Lyon has done with such an ordinary list is impressive. Geelong were talking about how their injuries have stopped all their consistency and ability to stay in games. We have been dealt a much worse hand and stayed competitive with sides with much deeper talent pools.

 

[gringo2011]

We don’t need Constable, Fiorini, Mathieson and so on

I probably wouldn't look at Constable but the others would be better than plenty on our list. Crouch too. Depends how far off we think we are. Mathieson is a year older than Hunter Clark and I reckon he'd be an upgrade at the moment. Fiorini must be similar. He was mates with Gresham so can't be too far out of that age group.

 

[Diehard Saint]

We don’t need Constable, Fiorini, Mathieson and so on

I didn't mention any particular players.
The post I replied to was figuratively rolling their eyes at Gringo's post about depth.
Which, we actually need - as we saw this year. Obviously we try and acquire the best we can get.

 

[hayes]

I can’t agree that we need midfield depth. We need quality, if we get some actual quality then some of our first picked mids turn into depth and that’s when we’ll actually be getting somewhere. The time for the Fiorinis and Constables of the world finished 10 years ago.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

I didn't mention any particular players.
The post I replied to was figuratively rolling their eyes at Gringo's post about depth.
Which, we actually need - as we saw this year. Obviously we try and acquire the best we can get.

But I was. You’ve come into that discussion. It’s ok - people can have different opinions, I just see no need to trade for guys who the hope is are marginally better than non-top 22 on our list just because they make the list slightly better. Take a stab at the draft.

 

[The Cobra]

First line is all I needed to read.

Yup - hasn’t got one single attribute that we need other than maybe he could provide some leadership at Sandy!

 

[gringo2011]

But I was. You’ve come into that discussion. It’s ok - people can have different opinions, I just see no need to trade for guys who the hope is are marginally better than non-top 22 on our list just because they make the list slightly better. Take a stab at the draft.

There aren't many first round mids this year so you are either picking through other's bins or you are speculating on late picks. This is a pretty shallow draft. I'd rather pick up a mid who is being pushed out of a gun midfield than some kid that is unlikely to play a game. Connolly and Bytel probably go and there isn't even anyone to make Sandy competitive in the midfield. We have the thinnest midfield in the comp. One injury can derail our season every year. Even the Crows and North have depth.

I reckon we need about 3 or 4 VFL mids in different stages of development from depth older players to new draftees. How are we getting them? Jones Gresh and Clark go and we would barely be competitive if we get a single injury. Funny how Dow is okay but Constable and those others are past it.

 

[Joffaboy]

Well no. Nas would be the closest on actual output but HBFs don't win Brownlows. Pou is a promising kid as is Mitch Owens. Neither are in the running for next year's Brownlow unless you are projecting a lot. Newcombe is winning matches himself like a young Danger at the moment. We don't have anyone quite on that level apart from maybe Sinclair but he's not got that BDE of JN. He's as impressive as any young mid in the AFL at the moment.

Freo did jump us but have chosen to go back to move forward. Chasing Luke Jackson meant they had to shed some contracts and lost they highest goal scorer and their best wingman to clear up space in the cap. They will be okay in a couple of years maybe even next year. Jackso is starting to look like they player they'd hoped for.

We definitely need to consolidate at the draft but our list is still pretty ordinary. We look more on the Hawks, North type of level than the top 4 with our list. Honestly what Lyon has done with such an ordinary list is impressive. Geelong were talking about how their injuries have stopped all their consistency and ability to stay in games. We have been dealt a much worse hand and stayed competitive with sides with much deeper talent pools.

Why limit it to next year's Brownlow? The point is we have young blokes that have as much upside or even now more in the case of Chito.
Anyway the Brownlow is an award for mids.
Freo has not gone past us, I don't care for excuses, we have gone past them, we just crushed Hawthorn and our kids
Pou
Chito
Naz
Windy
Hammer
Titanic
will all get better as they grow together.
Haven't even seen Hotton, Van Es and Keeler.
We really need to consolidate this draft, that's why I am so wild at the AFL completely undermining us with these corrupt legups for Gold Coast and Norf.

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[SaintSlayer]

Zaine Cordy

21

Zaine Cordy

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.6

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

180.4

3star

D

8.1

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

2.9

3star

T

1.9

3star

MG

180.4

3star

D

6.8

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

(26) has been a great recruit for us. An experienced key position/role player and ex Premiership player has been a great asset and will be vital in our quest going forward.

I understand there's alot of attention for midfielders, but what other nuggets can be found hidden within current lists.

Is Mabior Chol

18

Mabior Chol

Age

27

Ht

200cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

5.3

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.3

3star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.2

4star

(26) or can Shannon Neale (21) be enticed with a lucrative contract like that offered to Draper a possibility.

Talented good big men take time to develop and are worth their weight in gold.

 

[gringo2011]

Why limit it to next year's Brownlow? The point is we have young blokes that have as much upside or even now more in the case of Chito.
Anyway the Brownlow is an award for mids.
Freo has not gone past us, I don't care for excuses, we have gone past them, we just crushed Hawthorn and our kids
Pou
Chito
Naz
Windy
Hammer
Titanic
will all get better as they grow together.
Haven't even seen Hotton, Van Es and Keeler.
We really need to consolidate this draft, that's why I am so wild at the AFL completely undermining us with these corrupt legups for Gold Coast and Norf.

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Until it's actualised it's just hope. Nas is putting himself up with the best in our side this year. King is probably the other that is proving himself to be more than just potential. They are actualised talent. Otherwise it's exactly as we thought about Coffield and Clark. Promise can turn to Gresham pretty quickly. Toce deserves credit because I think we have turned a corner in drafting but until they show more than promise they aren't anything bankable.

Chito was brilliant at times this year too, he's dropped away a bit but the contested numbers at least point to a high level player.

 

[LeonardHayes87]

I laugh when I see people want to jettison Bytel, Connelly etc. and bring in Constable, Mathieson? No club in their right mind is going to remove deadwood and replace it with deadwood.

Word from the club has been the focus will be on the Draft this year. So you'd suspect a relatively quiet trade period unless we can lure a Liam Henry across from Fremantle. It may well be limited to Gresham out - 2nd round pick in, use that pick on Henry or take it to the Draft.

 

[XhazzafootyX]

Gresham to Carlton unlikley


Coffield unlikely to be at the saints next year

 

[BrutThough]

Gresham to Carlton unlikley


Coffield unlikely to be at the saints next year

While I would like Coffield to stay and this he has a lot of upside, it's probably not that surprising.

If another club is offering him a good deal, game time and a fresh start, I can see why he would take it.

 

[SteeleSaints]

I laugh when I see people want to jettison Bytel, Connelly etc. and bring in Constable, Mathieson? No club in their right mind is going to remove deadwood and replace it with deadwood.

Word from the club has been the focus will be on the Draft this year. So you'd suspect a relatively quiet trade period unless we can lure a Liam Henry across from Fremantle. It may well be limited to Gresham out - 2nd round pick in, use that pick on Henry or take it to the Draft.

I totally agree, we either target and trade in A grade midfielders or go to the draft. Its a shame the club didnt go harder at getting picks for last years draft, as it was considered a very strong midfielders draft year. We got Hotton later in the draft, but there were a number of other promising midfielders in the 2nd and 3rd rounds we should have looked at.

There may be some middle aged depth type mids floating about during the trade and or delisted we can add for very liitle. But A grade midfielders come at a premium and the clubs list has been found seriously wanting in that regard for sometime. The classic is drafting Billings, Clark and Coffield with early picks believing they would become genuine midfielders.

 

[SteeleSaints]

Gresham to Carlton unlikley


Coffield unlikely to be at the saints next year

Weren't Collingwood showing interest in Gresham earlier in the year? I would much rather keep Coffield than Clark. I think Coffield has a much bigger upside to his game the Clark. But the club work with these players every day, so I guess they have an understanding of their potential. Perhaps its about trade value and what deals Coffield has been offered?

 

[SaintSteele9]

By no means am I an ITK, but from someone I trust, apparently Pou and The Boss have a really solid relationship and Pou is very receptive to the coaching he’s receiving so far. Could be worth nothing but that feels like a positive element that will hopefully keep him here for years to come!

 

[gringo2011]

I laugh when I see people want to jettison Bytel, Connelly etc. and bring in Constable, Mathieson? No club in their right mind is going to remove deadwood and replace it with deadwood.

Word from the club has been the focus will be on the Draft this year. So you'd suspect a relatively quiet trade period unless we can lure a Liam Henry across from Fremantle. It may well be limited to Gresham out - 2nd round pick in, use that pick on Henry or take it to the Draft.

I think we need both. A kid will make little difference to the side for a few years. Guys like Sinclair will be finishing up as they start to take over. There is hardly any high end midfield talent in the draft this year on top of that. Constable would be a no from me but Mathieson would be a great get. He'd be in our best 22 every week IMO. If guys like Stocker are okay he's more talented than him IMO, he costs nothing like Matt Crouch and at worst in trains the kids at Sandy not to lose every week. Bytel and Connolly look very unlikely to make it now. I'd be surprised if both are still listed next year but funnier things have happened.

Henry is worth a shot for sure. If he chooses us. You need a few targets because they don't all come off. To me we should draft with our first rounder and Gresham compo. Go to FA for some depth for Crouch/Matho types and chase upside players like Flanders and Henry.

 

[bergholt]

No club in their right mind is going to remove deadwood and replace it with deadwood.

Clubs do that every year, especially those down the bottom of the ladder who can't attract anyone better. They hope they can get something out of them and then it doesn't end up happening for whatever reason.

To pick a random year, here's some recycled guys brought in in 2019:

Adelaide: Ben Crocker
Brisbane: Callum Ah Chee, Cam Ellis-Yolmen, Grant Birchall
Carlton: Callum Moore, Eddie Betts, Jack Newnes
Essendon: Jacob Townsend, Mitch Hibberd, Tom Cutler
Geelong: Jack Steven, Josh Jenkins
Gold Coast: Hugh Greenwood, Zac Smith
GWS: Sam Jacobs
Hawthorn: Darren Minchington, Jonathon Patton, Keegan Brooksby, Michael Hartley, Sam Frost
Melbourne: Adam Tomlinson, Harley Bennell, Mitch Brown
North Melbourne: Josh Walker, Aiden Bonar
Port Adelaide: Wylie Buzza
St Kilda: Ryan Abbott, Zak Jones
Sydney: Kaiden Brand, Lewis Taylor, Sam Gray
Western Bulldogs: Josh Bruce
West Coast: Jamaine Jones

All of these guys were "deadwood" by your definition. Could some of them have worked out? Yeah. So was it not worth taking the chance?

 

[gringo2011]

Weren't Collingwood showing interest in Gresham earlier in the year? I would much rather keep Coffield than Clark. I think Coffield has a much bigger upside to his game the Clark. But the club work with these players every day, so I guess they have an understanding of their potential. Perhaps its about trade value and what deals Coffield has been offered?

Hawks are the club Gresh is currently linked to and with the Chad going down they get a replacement that is younger. Coffield definitely looks like he'd be worth holding because he's worth nothing in a trade. HC might be worth a trade out if we get enough for him. He's got great traits but struggled to put it all together.

 

[gringo2011]

While I would like Coffield to stay and this he has a lot of upside, it's probably not that surprising.

If another club is offering him a good deal, game time and a fresh start, I can see why he would take it.

Lyon did a very unsentimental cull of guys who were injury prone last time he was in charge. If you can't get on the park he's pretty brutal.

 

[stavro#4]

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