Resource 2024 AFL Draft discussion thread (Wed Nov 20 to Fri Nov 22)

[1990crow]

7.40 mark, WA journalist Ryan Daniels. on the Academy picks..

RYAN DANIELS | Big draft change for next year, Harley Reid's intro to the Eagles, how Freo went at the draft - Xav & Katie - 92.9 Triple M

After Round 1 of the AFL Draft blew out to 29 picks, Ryan Daniels broke the news that the AFL is likely to change it's controversial academy rules.

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No reason why it couldn't have been brought in this year.

 

[1990crow]

Still not strong enough ! .....hypothetically, allows Northern State Clubs to take other Teams NGA prospects B4 pick #20 .....they want to allow the Northeners all their own NGA players, but other Clubs as well !!!!

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It's at least better than it is currently.
I get the outrage over the northern clubs academies. They should look at changing the points needed, and discounts.
But those clubs (minus Sydney) have lost players year after year back to Victoria.
And Sydney aside, none have won a flag.

15 of the last 17 flags have gone to Victorian clubs, who have abused free agency and these clubs to cherry pick Victorians to bolster their squads.
Giving these clubs the home grown talent to keep for their whole careers evens up the competition over time, and hopefully stops the Victorian dominance.

 

[spenze]

Cannot believe Sanchez and Kade De La Rue did not get picked up

You'd think Sanchez would be dirty about it

 

[1990crow]

Way-too-early AFL Draft Power Rankings: The top 10 in 2024

The 2023 AFL Draft may be over, but the draft watch never stops. Jasper Chellappah shares his way-too-early top 10 Power Rankings for 2024's draft class.

www.espn.com.au

Seems a very Vic centric view.

 

[Crow till I die]

OK, you have seen more of the kids than most. Do you take Curtin this year or go the pick swap with WCE hoping for a top 3 pick next year if you are us.

Are the very top end of next year looking an even better bet than Curtin (whom from the footage I have seen looks an unbelievable get for us)

 

[spenze]

I hope we don't have any interest in Finn O'Sullivan, kid isn't fast enough to be one sided, reminds me of Mitch Grigg

 

[Crow till I die]

I hope we don't have any interest in Finn O'Sullivan, kid isn't fast enough to be one sided, reminds me of Mitch Grigg

From the 2 minutes of highlights i saw, he is all right foot..to the point where he was bananering it off his right instead of kicking left...but thats 2 minutes of footage only

 

[Crow till I die]

He'd be near the top of Hamish list without a single doubt, another good country lad from South West Victoria (Koroit near Warrnambool) schooling on a scholarship at Xavier College in Melbourne.

Its going to be near impossible for us to be in that hitting zone now assuming we make the 8...especially if welsh really develops over the next 12 months.

I suspect we are in a different bucket next year where we will use our best draft collateral on ready made player trades

 

[Jeffcrowe]

If Tyler Welsh plateaus with his growth height wise and stays at that 193cm mark , Mutineer would you say best comparison would be a Jarryd Roughead type

Jack Darling I reckon
Welsh is quicker though but both are mobile

 

[Jeffcrowe]

O'Sullivan's Underage year was outstanding.

He’s my no 1 going into next year

Class class class

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Lot of water to go under that bridge, many suggested Ashton Moir would go near the pointy end, some even suggested he could even go pick 1 and displace Harley Reid. Draper looks a top 10 chance, Hargrave possibly somewhere in the 10 - 20 range. Draper's brother Arlo was talked about as a top 10 pick a year out as well in his draft year, 3 years later he;s suiting up for South Adelaide in 2024.

I have some concerns with Draper's disposal that I don't have with Hargrave for the record.

Pays to not get too carried away as the SA factor will only be a small factor when our recruiters are assessing talent.

There is a reason why Cal Twomey named his top 10 in alphabetical order.

Love Draper , but agree if he doesn’t tidy up his kicking he won’t go in top 5 next year

The rest of his game is excellent

I quite like your boy Lalor and I also like Smillie

Phoenix Hargrave is one that might go under the radar and could be a good get

 

[Danger in Texas]

Jack Darling I reckon
Welsh is quicker though but both are mobile

He’ll make an incredibly dangerous third tall/makeshift second tall with his athleticism/build combo

Very lucky to get him just as Tex is nearing the end

 

[spenze]

He'd be near the top of Hamish list without a single doubt, another good country lad from South West Victoria (Koroit near Warrnambool) schooling on a scholarship at Xavier College in Melbourne.

Given he's not a KPD, I doubt Hamish has even looked at his highlights and even waived away the offer to look at them. At this stage I hope nicks is standing right next to Hamish to make sure he doesn't refuse to match a bid on Welsh

 

[WaynesWorld19]

AFL poised to revamp draft after academy, father-son controversy​

While it’s unlikely any changes would be made for the 2024 Draft because future picks have already been traded, a number of options to simplify the system are on the table.

Collingwood head of football Graham Wright and long-time Geelong list boss Stephen Wells had previously proposed a system where teams must use a pick inside the round a bid is received.
For example, the Suns would have needed to use four first-round picks to match bids for Jed Walter, Ethan Read, Jake Rogers and Will Graham.

Alternatively the system would have meant clubs needed a pick within nine picks (half a round) of the bid, so the Walter bid which came at Pick 3 would’ve meant the Suns needed to acquire Pick 11 or better.

Another option would see clubs only able to use two picks to match a bid - meaning the picks required would be much higher in the order. For example, instead of being able to use picks 42, 43, 44, 45 and 46 to match a bid at pick 3, a team would need to use picks 20 and 21 (or better).

‘The Vics will whinge’: AFL poised to revamp draft after academy, father-son controversy

‘The Vics will whinge’: AFL poised to revamp draft after academy, father-son controversy

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[1990crow]

AFL poised to revamp draft after academy, father-son controversy​

While it’s unlikely any changes would be made for the 2024 Draft because future picks have already been traded, a number of options to simplify the system are on the table.

Collingwood head of football Graham Wright and long-time Geelong list boss Stephen Wells had previously proposed a system where teams must use a pick inside the round a bid is received.
For example, the Suns would have needed to use four first-round picks to match bids for Jed Walter, Ethan Read, Jake Rogers and Will Graham.

Alternatively the system would have meant clubs needed a pick within nine picks (half a round) of the bid, so the Walter bid which came at Pick 3 would’ve meant the Suns needed to acquire Pick 11 or better.

Another option would see clubs only able to use two picks to match a bid - meaning the picks required would be much higher in the order. For example, instead of being able to use picks 42, 43, 44, 45 and 46 to match a bid at pick 3, a team would need to use picks 20 and 21 (or better).

‘The Vics will whinge’: AFL poised to revamp draft after academy, father-son controversy

‘The Vics will whinge’: AFL poised to revamp draft after academy, father-son controversy

www.foxsports.com.au

So long story short we can match Welsh with points in 2024 as rule will be brought in for 2025.
And we can trade the first rounder for a player.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

So long story short we can match Welsh with points in 2024 as rule will be brought in for 2025.
And we can trade the first rounder for a player.

Appears that way, given Clubs have already traded future picks .....that said, it hasn't stopped the AFL in the past from making changes .....maybe new Management, new empathy

OR ...the cynical side of me thinks, there's a boatload of Northern Academy kids for next year as well

 

[PeterSalt]

Appears that way, given Clubs have already traded future picks .....that said, it hasn't stopped the AFL in the past from making changes .....maybe new Management, new empathy

OR ...the cynical side of me thinks, there's a boatload of Northern Academy kids for next year as well

2 x Camporeale's ..?

 

[ams4crows]

AFL poised to revamp draft after academy, father-son controversy​

While it’s unlikely any changes would be made for the 2024 Draft because future picks have already been traded, a number of options to simplify the system are on the table.

Collingwood head of football Graham Wright and long-time Geelong list boss Stephen Wells had previously proposed a system where teams must use a pick inside the round a bid is received.
For example, the Suns would have needed to use four first-round picks to match bids for Jed Walter, Ethan Read, Jake Rogers and Will Graham.

Alternatively the system would have meant clubs needed a pick within nine picks (half a round) of the bid, so the Walter bid which came at Pick 3 would’ve meant the Suns needed to acquire Pick 11 or better.

Another option would see clubs only able to use two picks to match a bid - meaning the picks required would be much higher in the order. For example, instead of being able to use picks 42, 43, 44, 45 and 46 to match a bid at pick 3, a team would need to use picks 20 and 21 (or better).

‘The Vics will whinge’: AFL poised to revamp draft after academy, father-son controversy

‘The Vics will whinge’: AFL poised to revamp draft after academy, father-son controversy

www.foxsports.com.au

I like the being within 9 picks to match, that seems fair.

I do wonder if they don't have a pick within 9 do they have to trade on the night to get that close before matching and if they can't organise it in time they lose out on the player is quite harsh. Clubs that are 9 picks away from the bid are gonna leverage that pick for future picks every time.

 

[1990crow]

I like the being within 9 picks to match, that seems fair.

I do wonder if they don't have a pick within 9 do they have to trade on the night to get that close before matching and if they can't organise it in time they lose out on the player is quite harsh. Clubs that are 9 picks away from the bid are gonna leverage that pick for future picks every time.

I think 9 picks is a bit harsh.
Make it within a full normal round of picks.
E.g. if there's no academy or father sons after the player it's 18 picks.
If there is it's 18 plus those players in between.
That way if your player goes pick 1 you have to at least give up a first rounder, or if he goes pick 10 you don't have to scramble to find a pick 19 somehow, only have to find a pick 28 - much easier.

 

[WeeBlake]

I think 9 picks is a bit harsh.
Make it within a full normal round of picks.
E.g. if there's no academy or father sons after the player it's 18 picks.
If there is it's 18 plus those players in between.
That way if your player goes pick 1 you have to at least give up a first rounder, or if he goes pick 10 you don't have to scramble to find a pick 19 somehow, only have to find a pick 28 - much easier.

It’s not harsh, it’s still an advantage. It wouldn’t even be harsh to make them pay full value

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Appears that way, given Clubs have already traded future picks .....that said, it hasn't stopped the AFL in the past from making changes .....maybe new Management, new empathy

OR ...the cynical side of me thinks, there's a boatload of Northern Academy kids for next year as well

The Gold Coast kids and even brisbane won’t stop

It’s the new normal , Queensland is flying with its AFL football programs and participation

Very good QLD and NSW kids running around in this years U16 carnival , the suns and swans in particular will be licking their lips

This is kind of what the whole point was though isn’t it ?

Not entirely happy with the swans benefitting as they are able to attract interstate players to Sydney in any case and retain draftees but the GC and Giants definitely need the northern academies to thrive

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Not entirely happy with the swans benefitting as they are able to attract interstate players to Sydney in any case and retain draftees but the GC and Giants definitely need the northern academies to thrive

Jeff, you can't pick & choose, based on who you perceive needs assistance .....SYD and BRIS will / are benefitting equally

You're misinterpreting GWS and GC needing assistance as a failure to hold players ......didn't BRIS have the worse retention record, just a few years ago

No ...it's all about team success ...that's what retains players .....GC in particular have been a basket case, and yet again you want to reward mediocrity ??

Clubs, ALL CLUBS !! should be rewarded for the effort they put into Academies ....I'm happy to have a small bias to the Northern Clubs via the 20% discount

My preference is the option of only two picks to secure a matching bid .....not using 4 picks in the 40's to secure a top 10 pick .....and that should apply to all Clubs

Northern Clubs still have an advantage .....much bigger untapped market ....much bigger NGA opportunities

 

[Coopers]

I like the being within 9 picks to match, that seems fair.

I do wonder if they don't have a pick within 9 do they have to trade on the night to get that close before matching and if they can't organise it in time they lose out on the player is quite harsh. Clubs that are 9 picks away from the bid are gonna leverage that pick for future picks every time.

Well the other dynamic is that if a bidding club knows that the club with the rights to match does not actually have the picks to match... they're not going to speculatively bid just to force the club to match.

So... they are going to have to really want the kid, not just want the matching club to spend.

 

[Coopers]

I think 9 picks is a bit harsh.
Make it within a full normal round of picks.
E.g. if there's no academy or father sons after the player it's 18 picks.
If there is it's 18 plus those players in between.
That way if your player goes pick 1 you have to at least give up a first rounder, or if he goes pick 10 you don't have to scramble to find a pick 19 somehow, only have to find a pick 28 - much easier.

Yeah, but with all the random bids and picks and compensations going on a full round is like 25 picks now

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Jeff, you can't pick & choose, based on who you perceive needs assistance .....SYD and BRIS will / are benefitting equally

You're misinterpreting GWS and GC needing assistance as a failure to hold players ......didn't BRIS have the worse retention record, just a few years ago

No ...it's all about team success ...that's what retains players .....GC in particular have been a basket case, and yet again you want to reward mediocrity ??

Clubs, ALL CLUBS !! should be rewarded for the effort they put into Academies ....I'm happy to have a small bias to the Northern Clubs via the 20% discount

My preference is the option of only two picks to secure a matching bid .....not using 4 picks in the 40's to secure a top 10 pick .....and that should apply to all Clubs

Northern Clubs still have an advantage .....much bigger untapped market ....much bigger NGA opportunities

My personal opinion as they can’t really survive without the academies

And anything that annoys the whinging Vics is good in my book

The GF gets played at their home ground , the umpires are based there , the media which makes things happen like encouraging trades home is based there , the farce of a tribunal etc etc

If you want to talk about inequities I wouldn’t be starting with the northern academies