Resource 2024 AFL Draft discussion thread (Wed Nov 20 to Fri Nov 22)

[Amacca 23]

No its a fault in his game that if he doesnt get under control could derail his career , look at stephenson got ahead of himself and now at 25 his career is over. Most kids nowdays it gets too hard and the give up thats a fact of todays society they dont have the mental fortitude to fight thru adversity , tell me im wrong ?

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[ABAB]

JHF is no doubt the best player to come out of SA in a very long time.

But Rankine was only 3 draft before him.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Someone earlier suggested a good comparison for Sid Draper was Adam Treloar think that's a reasonable comparison too?

Yeah that’s the comparison I’ve been making for a long time now

Not the extra high ceiling of a Lalor, but still a player with A-grade potential

 

[Scorpus]

Yeah that’s the comparison I’ve been making for a long time now

Not the extra high ceiling of a Lalor, but still a player with A-grade potential

Treloar early on was being described as the potential to be elite but never reached it.

Is Draper's ceiling what Treloar's career ended up as? Or what he looked like as a junior?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

No its a fault in his game that if he doesnt get under control could derail his career , look at stephenson got ahead of himself and now at 25 his career is over. Most kids nowdays it gets too hard and the give up thats a fact of todays society they dont have the mental fortitude to fight thru adversity , tell me im wrong ?

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Ok then , what about a young Mark Ricciuto? Would have loved your opinion on him if he played at another club

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Is jhf a good player? yes , does he have mental fragility issues yes , drops his bundle can be put off his game so who knows time will tell

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There’s a whole lot of cope going on here

JHF has already proven his match winning capacity in big moments

There’s maturing and then there’s fragility , I don’t look at him as fragile at all just a player who will get better and better as he matures

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Treloar early on was being described as the potential to be elite but never reached it.

Is Draper's ceiling what Treloar's career ended up as? Or what he looked like as a junior?

Personally I think what he’s ended up as , not what he looked like as a junior

Some may disagree

A very good talent regardless so I’m not knocking Draper but being realistic ( in my own mind )

 

[BRL121]

Personally I think what he’s ended up as , not what he looked like as a junior

Some may disagree

A very good talent regardless so I’m not knocking Draper but being realistic ( in my own mind )

If Draper is going to be a Treloar, then give me Lalor every time.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

If Draper is going to be a Treloar, then give me Lalor every time.

The good Treloar , not the one that struggled there for a bit

And yes .. prefer Lalor . He’s the only player I’d consider trading to 2 for

 

[Danger in Texas]

Treloar early on was being described as the potential to be elite but never reached it.

Is Draper's ceiling what Treloar's career ended up as? Or what he looked like as a junior?

Probably the peak AFL version of Treloar - which I’d be very happy to take

I’d say him and Jagga are pretty safe bets to get to their ceiling, too

 

[Big Dub]

There’s a whole lot of cope going on here

JHF has already proven his match winning capacity in big moments

There’s maturing and then there’s fragility , I don’t look at him as fragile at all just a player who will get better and better as he matures

There's also a limit to how much you want a player like JHF to "mature". Playing on the edge will give up some free kicks, but it will take some wins with it as well.

 

[Mutineer]

There’s a whole lot of cope going on here

JHF has already proven his match winning capacity in big moments

There’s maturing and then there’s fragility , I don’t look at him as fragile at all just a player who will get better and better as he matures

I don't think anyone has said anything other than JHF is supremely talented but he does have temperament issues of that there is no question, best hope it is lack of maturity because it is a current flaw in his game.

 

[Amacca 23]

I don't think anyone has said anything other than JHF is supremely talented but he does have temperament issues of that there is no question, best hope it is lack of maturity because it is a current flaw in his game.

Exactly this is what i am saying

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[Jeffcrowe]

I don't think anyone has said anything other than JHF is supremely talented but he does have temperament issues of that there is no question, best hope it is lack of maturity because it is a current flaw in his game.

Please give multiple examples ?

I reckon this is a real con , like someone says it then people follow because it’s what they want to believe

Won them more games than cost them that’s for sure , by being in the moment and executing when it counts

 

[Jeffcrowe]

There's also a limit to how much you want a player like JHF to "mature". Playing on the edge will give up some free kicks, but it will take some wins with it as well.

Agree

Remember a guy called mark Ricciuto

Reminds me of a bit the same

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Probably the peak AFL version of Treloar - which I’d be very happy to take

I’d say him and Jagga are pretty safe bets to get to their ceiling, too

Yep I think Jagga and Draper are your sure things from this draft ( not highest ceilings but will be v good )

 

[Mutineer]

Please give multiple examples ?

I reckon this is a real con , like someone says it then people follow because it’s what they want to believe

Won them more games than cost them that’s for sure , by being in the moment and executing when it counts

You watch games, there's been plenty of examples of him dropping his lip when things aren't going his way and giving away silly free kicks

 

[Samcro24]

Remember a guy called mark Ricciuto

No.

 

[Samcro24]

Please give multiple examples ?

I reckon this is a real con , like someone says it then people follow because it’s what they want to believe

Won them more games than cost them that’s for sure , by being in the moment and executing when it counts

He’s lost his composure a few times.

Can’t dispute he’s already very good, but hasn’t truly arrived yet.

He’s gonna be scary good though. Expect him to rip a finals series apart, probably a few.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Yep I think Jagga and Draper are your sure things from this draft ( not highest ceilings but will be v good )

It’s interesting in regards to the Crows, Jagga’s sure thing ceiling I reckon is higher than Draper’s (hence higher on my power rankings), but Draper’s pure speed would be a more dynamic skill for us

Would still be very happy with either

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

There’s a whole lot of cope going on here

JHF has already proven his match winning capacity in big moments

There’s maturing and then there’s fragility , I don’t look at him as fragile at all just a player who will get better and better as he matures

Any person with a clue about football would love to have JHF at their club.

There is a good reason why tried very hard to secure the #1 pick to draft him.

He & Butters are the 2 players in worry most about at showdowns.

 

[Crow till I die]

There’s a whole lot of cope going on here

JHF has already proven his match winning capacity in big moments

There’s maturing and then there’s fragility , I don’t look at him as fragile at all just a player who will get better and better as he matures

he is a player that if he gets off the leash and had 25 quality possesions out of the centre and the game could well be just about over

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Yep I think Jagga and Draper are your sure things from this draft ( not highest ceilings but will be v good )

Would be very happy with either.

 

[Big Dub]

Spent some time with one of the coaches at South Adelaide last time Bays played down there, said he's an absolutely ripping kid, really level headed. Future Captain material and already has really professional attributes. Said he's just marginally behind in terms of ability at where JHF was same age, but in his opinion has a higher ceiling.

I think this thread may have deviated from the point of the original post (I know, I'm as surprised as you are).

I remember a quote attributed to panthers head coach Jarrad Wright some months ago that said a similar thing to what OccamsRazorRay quoted.

JHF is a high quality, genuine footy player. Draper will work up and down and contest to contest, will chase and tackle and drive the ball forward.

Wright thought that Draper could have a slightly bigger impact than JHF. But that both would be guns.

In other words, we're underrating Draper. Based on the word of a guy that coached each of them for at least a year, not watched some highlights.

I don't know if he's correct, but I'd like to find out.

 

[Mutineer]

Please give multiple examples ?

I reckon this is a real con , like someone says it then people follow because it’s what they want to believe

Won them more games than cost them that’s for sure , by being in the moment and executing when it counts

How about the Suns game when he gave away 4 unnecessary free kicks, had 9 disposals, including 7 clangers.

Certainly multiple examples in just that game when he completely lost it when things weren't going his way. Don't tell me that doesn't go to his temperament.

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