Resource 2024 AFL Draft discussion thread (Wed Nov 20 to Fri Nov 22)

[Cromulant]

Just because you're a shonky operator, doesn't mean that the club is.

Burgess is a contracted player. The club went to the trouble of talking him into moving from GC to Adelaide, uprooting his life and moving interstate. They gave him a 2-year contract. They delisted him with a commitment to re-draft him in the RD. Having done all that, they're not going to behave in a completely petty and unprofessional manner, reneging on their commitment to re-draft him just because he chose to nominate for the ND (as is his right).

We get that you're petty and unprofessional. The same does not apply to Justin Reid, whose ethical standards far exceed your own.

Uprooting him and coming back to his home state ??

 

[Jack McKraken]

Brodie Smith extension

*but thank you for your updates!

 

[Hodgy]

Just because you're a shonky operator, doesn't mean that the club is.

Burgess is a contracted player. The club went to the trouble of talking him into moving from GC to Adelaide, uprooting his life and moving interstate. They gave him a 2-year contract. They delisted him with a commitment to re-draft him in the RD. Having done all that, they're not going to behave in a completely petty and unprofessional manner, reneging on their commitment to re-draft him just because he chose to nominate for the ND (as is his right).

We get that you're petty and unprofessional. The same does not apply to Justin Reid, whose ethical standards far exceed your own.

Loyalty is a 2 way street Vader. He would not be on an AFL list right now if Adelaide hadn’t given him a life line pure and simple.

The simple fact is we have shown loyalty to him by guaranteeing to redraft him while he is showing absolutely none to us by nominating for the ND.

Speaking of petty, maybe you should re read your post.

 

[Vader]

Loyalty is a 2 way street Vader. He would not be on an AFL list right now if Adelaide hadn’t given him a life line pure and simple.

The simple fact is we have shown loyalty to him by guaranteeing to redraft him while he is showing absolutely none to us by nominating for the ND.

Speaking of petty, maybe you should re read your post.

His choice to nominate for the ND, not just the PSD, will have no consequences whatsoever as far as the AFC's commitment to re-drafting him is concerned.

 

[Jack McKraken]

If I was the Crows and had stayed loyal to Burgess and promised to take him in the rookie draft despite a terrible year, then I would feel very disappointed that he has nominated for the national draft. He’s effectively saying I’ll play for you unless I get a better offer. Why wouldn’t we do the same then?

I think it’s fair to assume we told him to look for better offers - helps both parties out if he finds a suitor.

 

[Cromulant]

His choice to nominate for the ND, not just the PSD, will have no consequences whatsoever as far as the AFC's commitment to re-drafting him is concerned.

Its a positive for both parties if someone else picks him up IMO.

 

[Vader]

Its a positive for both parties if someone else picks him up IMO.

Absolutely... Unfortunately, the chances of this happening are infinitesimally close to zero.

 

[WeeBlake]

Loyalty is a 2 way street Vader. He would not be on an AFL list right now if Adelaide hadn’t given him a life line pure and simple.

The simple fact is we have shown loyalty to him by guaranteeing to redraft him while he is showing absolutely none to us by nominating for the ND.

Speaking of petty, maybe you should re read your post.

I think it’s fine. We delisted him, we have to wear the consequences. It gives him an opportunity to get a 2 year deal somewhere else, good luck to him. He doesn’t owe us loyalty when we delist him.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I can't remember who did the talking but it's public knowledge that GAJ was sat down during his first year and given a proper talking to about his fitness, form and future. From memory, it was the senior players.

Lachie Neale has a similar story from his Freo days. I think it was Ross Lyon who challenged him to get a better attitude...'or you'll end up nothing but a fat little back pocket player for Glenelg'.

Four Brownlow medals between them later says that people can change.

Tyler Welsh is not critical to the club, but one hell of a bonus if he fires. Pick him tonight and enjoy his journey. Not much risk...big reward possible.

Definitely in the camp that we should pick him and he could be a weapon for us

 

[skam85]

Loyalty is a 2 way street Vader. He would not be on an AFL list right now if Adelaide hadn’t given him a life line pure and simple.

The simple fact is we have shown loyalty to him by guaranteeing to redraft him while he is showing absolutely none to us by nominating for the ND.

Speaking of petty, maybe you should re read your post.

You don't seem to really understand the whole delisting and re-rookieing setup by the sounds of things.

It's administrative. Burgess has a contract for next season, which is being honoured and is clearly in the bottom two desired players on the list. Nobody is being disloyal or dishonest.

Good on Burgess for seeing the writing on the wall and trying to extend his career. If he is picked up in the ND that one year contract becomes two.

 

[Mutineer]

I think it’s fair to assume we told him to look for better offers - helps both parties out if he finds a suitor.

I don't.

Just self realisation that beyond 2025 he knows he's no longer on the Crows list. So why not hope for a miracle?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

No, Wayne’s point was clubs do the opposite to what Hamish just said

I think it’s extremely risky to go on needs early in draft as you’d miss a potential star

The other thing is immediate needs for a 12-14 year career doesn’t really make sense as you’d prefer the player to be a need when he actually hits his prime in 3-5 years time

Of course needs come into it at stages , not saying they don’t , you can’t keep recruiting back flankers over and over or rucks or key defender etc etc

 

[George Kramer]

It’s a cliche all clubs roll out though, as telling the media “we are wanting raw speed” would give away that we want Draper say. North will take Tauru, and they definately don’t think he’s the second best player, they think he’s the second best option for their squad.

And if they don’t take Tauru?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

And if they don’t take Tauru?

Let’s hope they do !

 

[Hodgy]

You don't seem to really understand the whole delisting and re-rookieing setup by the sounds of things.

It's administrative. Burgess has a contract for next season, which is being honoured and is clearly in the bottom two desired players on the list. Nobody is being disloyal or dishonest.

Good on Burgess for seeing the writing on the wall and trying to extend his career. If he is picked up in the ND that one year contract becomes two.

I realize it’s administrative, but Vader is implying that because we contracted him we owe him loyalty while he doesn’t in return. He is clearly forgetting that when Burgess signed that contract with us he was promising to stay with the club for 2 years, contracts are promises by 2 parties not 1. Loyalty in this country is far more often shown by employers than employees in my experience and this seems like a perfect example.

If both parties have indeed agreed that it would be better for both if he gets drafted somewhere else then fine, it is in everyone’s best interests. However if he has reneged on his commitment to the club behind their back, then we should be doing the same.

If you had stayed loyal to a crap employee and found out he was sending out resumes in his lunch break, would you keep him on?

 

[Hodgy]

I think it’s extremely risky to go on needs early in draft as you’d miss a potential star

The other thing is immediate needs for a 12-14 year career doesn’t really make sense as you’d prefer the player to be a need when he actually hits his prime in 3-5 years time

Of course needs come into it at stages , not saying they don’t , you can’t keep recruiting back flankers over and over or rucks or key defender etc etc

I think that’s what we are saying, there has to be a balance point where needs outways talent and of course the opposite. In this particular draft where talent is so even then considerations like midfield mix and go home factor are probably the deciding factors. Which puts Draper slightly ahead of everyone else in my book.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Would be very unlike us to send Burgess packing. I'm unsure if we even have cap space to pay out his 2025 contract this year but fingers crossed.

Doing something unlike us might be just the ticket. Hamish has kept his cards very close.

I wonder if we're trying to use 2025 picks to trade for another pick in this draft? Instead of to go from 4 to 2

 

[George Kramer]

Would be very unlike us to send Burgess packing. I'm unsure if we even have cap space to pay out his 2025 contract this year but fingers crossed.

Doing something unlike us might be just the ticket. Hamish has kept his cards very close.

I wonder if we're trying to use 2025 picks to trade for another pick in this draft? Instead of to go from 4 to 2

Would have been easier had we not traded 45 to 2025! Thats why we won’t be using another pick unless Burgess happens to get picked up and we just grab someone late with one of our cheap picks

 

[Danger Zone]

Overall I was really happy with the trade period. But imagine if we had traded say Berry and an F3 for ANB. Would put us in a much better spot for this draft, maybe even grabbing Dodson.

 

[Crow till I die]

Would have been easier had we not traded 45 to 2025! Thats why we won’t be using another pick unless Burgess happens to get picked up and we just grab someone late with one of our cheap picks

IF we did and were able to get a project ruck, it would be a great outcome for the list

 

[adelaidecrows]

Would have been easier had we not traded 45 to 2025! Thats why we won’t be using another pick unless Burgess happens to get picked up and we just grab someone late with one of our cheap picks

i hope we back out of redrafting burgo. waste of list space.

 

[George Kramer]

IF we did and were able to get a project ruck, it would be a great outcome for the list

Unfortunately no one is drafting Burgess after what they’ve seen this year, we were conned by his VFL form

 

[moogerfooger]

Anyone else have a sneaky suspicion Blues take Draper?

The fact there's been talk about us trading into pick 2 suggests the club has the same suspicion.

 

[skam85]

Overall I was really happy with the trade period. But imagine if we had traded say Berry and an F3 for ANB. Would put us in a much better spot for this draft, maybe even grabbing Dodson.

Melbourne didn't want Berry

 

[Mutineer]

Melbourne didn't want Berry

Collingwood had interest at one point.