Resource 2024 AFL Draft discussion thread (Wed Nov 20 to Fri Nov 22)

[Jeffcrowe]

Just a Draft comment ….. it always amazes me Clubs who end up with multiple picks late in Drafts

ESS have been notorious culprits …. COLL and WB in this draft
You invariably end up with list cloggers

To our credit, whilst we don’t take large numbers of draftees usually …. we don’t take large numbers of draft backend players like others

So what did you think of the draft in terms of talent / needs picks early Wayne ?

Most of the talls drifted savagely eg Armstrong , Shanahan , Whitlocks then the rucks Dodson and Smith

All taken 10+ and some cases 20+ picks later than projected a couple weeks ago

Does that mean that no one in comp NEEDS key forwards or talls or that the the clubs picked on TALENT over NEEDS early and mid draft ?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Maybe we just did an excellent job of keeping him out of the first couple of rounds of the draft. Certainly no one SA side was talking him up before the draft, probably not a coincidence.

Before we get too worked up about a draftee we basically got for free, let's look at the facts:

Played SANFL against men most of the year.
Kicked 5 goals in an SANFL game a few days after his 18th birthday.
Leading goal kicker for SA at the national champs, despite being stuck out in a pocket.
Ran a 3.06 20m sprint - around the same time as a lot of mids including Jagga Smith.
Finished 3rd in the vertical jump.

So it's doomsday because he didn't do a fast 2km? Not the first key forward to struggle in that event.

He's quick off the mark, has excellent leading patterns and can kick goals from outside 50m. He has at least a couple of years to work on his aerobic fitness before he's expected to be a factor at AFL level. Think he's going to be ok. If he's not, we used pick 59 on him.

This is called ‘Copium’

Definitely not doomsday but he’s got to get on his bike and sort himself out soon or he will be spat out the system very fast no matter how talented he is

And people have been stressing over whether he is 191cm or 194cm … which basically means nothing in terms of whether he makes it

 

[George Kramer]

Yep some for sure , I’m pretty sure others just wait until they need one then trade one in

But most have at least 2 capable of not 3

We seem to be 0.80 + 0.25 worth of rucks

In the other thread I posted from Brisbane to Geelong there are 11 rucks on that list all 25 or under who were drafted by their club and slightly older. Many have very recent draftees. The premiers of the last 3 years have 5 combined.

 

[Captain Furious]

This is called ‘Copium’

Definitely not doomsday but he’s got to get on his bike and sort himself out soon or he will be spat out the system very fast no matter how talented he is

And people have been stressing over whether he is 191cm or 194cm … which basically means nothing in terms of whether he makes it

He has plenty of time to do that, he doesn't need to play tomorrow. Pretty sure he's 191cm which is about Tex height. Plays a similar game too with smart leading, physicality and a long, accurate kick. Tex is another player we got a free swing on, took him until his 5th year in the system to be a consistent forward threat, lots of angst during that time that he wasn't professional or committed. He worked out ok.

 

[Mutineer]

Thanks.

How do they establish who to invite for the combine? Are a lot of players invited but not go?

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Draftees need a certain number of AFL club recruiters invites to the National draft and similarly the State combines just less invites required for the local combines.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

So what did you think of the draft in terms of talent / needs picks early Wayne ?

Most of the talls drifted savagely eg Armstrong , Shanahan , Whitlocks then the rucks Dodson and Smith

All taken 10+ and some cases 20+ picks later than projected a couple weeks ago

Does that mean that no one in comp NEEDS key forwards or talls or that the the clubs picked on TALENT over NEEDS early and mid draft ?

I thought all the Clubs in the top 10 absolutely nailed their selections

It seemed only RICH & NORTH gambled on KPP ….. it’s a risky strategy, particularly by RICH, because if the talks don’t develop, their rebuild stalls …. and i thought they took too many KPP IMO

I wasn’t convinced most of the talks were sure things …. TWT
Also this year wasn’t noted for y’all’s at the start of the year

 

[Captain Furious]

I thought all the Clubs in the top 10 absolutely nailed their selections

It seemed only RICH & NORTH gambled on KPP ….. it’s a risky strategy, particularly by RICH, because if the talks don’t develop, their rebuild stalls …. and i thought they took too many KPP IMO

I wasn’t convinced most of the talks were sure things …. TWT
Also this year wasn’t noted for y’all’s at the start of the year

Talls take longer though and are much more hit and miss, even top 5 talls. Taking 3 now means hopefully 1-2 of them are up and about in 4-5 years when they'll look to contend again.

Whoever doesn't work out, can throw them down back for a 2nd crack at it.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Talls take longer though and are much more hit and miss, even top 5 talls. Taking 3 now means hopefully 1-2 of them are up and about in 4-5 years when they'll look to contend again.

Whoever doesn't work out, can throw them down back for a 2nd crack at it.

Or you end up with a Denver Grainger-Barras

So many talks is high risk - high reward

 

[Captain Furious]

Or you end up with a Denver Grainger-Barras

So many talks is high risk - high reward

Taking 1 is high risk. Taking 3 is less risk.

Thought they did really well with the type of players, Lalor, Hotton, Alger, even Trainor as an attacking defender - they chose game breakers. Usually takes those players a little longer to develop so they can build the steel around them. I probably would've taken Travaglia or Allan ahead of Smilie but he could also work out great.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Taking 1 is high risk. Taking 3 is less risk.

Thought they did really well with the type of players, Lalor, Hotton, Alger, even Trainor as an attacking defender - they chose game breakers. Usually takes those players a little longer to develop so they can build the steel around them. I probably would've taken Travaglia or Allan ahead of Smilie but he could also work out great.

Doing that then getting norths future 1st was a massive win

Alger late was decent too

 

[Mutineer]

I thought all the Clubs in the top 10 absolutely nailed their selections

It seemed only RICH & NORTH gambled on KPP ….. it’s a risky strategy, particularly by RICH, because if the talks don’t develop, their rebuild stalls …. and i thought they took too many KPP IMO

I wasn’t convinced most of the talks were sure things …. TWT
Also this year wasn’t noted for y’all’s at the start of the year

Richmond's Jonty Faull is a lot different to the other KPF'd in this draft, very mobile, as good on the deck as he is in the air and very aggressive. Worth remembering Jonty had a very limited preseason rehabbing a back issue so only played the latter part of the CTL season and had a good Nationals even though underdone and then lit up the CTL finals for the Rebels.

 

[Scorpus]

Just a Draft comment ….. it always amazes me Clubs who end up with multiple picks late in Drafts

ESS have been notorious culprits …. COLL and WB in this draft
You invariably end up with list cloggers

To our credit, whilst we don’t take large numbers of draftees usually …. we don’t take large numbers of draft backend players like others

Those picks are tactical to allow for other moves

For example Collingwood want quite a few low salary players to fill the list so they can maximize the spend on guys like Houston

Essendon would have wanted the list spots to allow them to match the Kako bid with as many late picks as possible, but then they need to fill those list spots

I don't think either club are seriously expecting those late picks to deliver much

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Those picks are tactical to allow for other moves

For example Collingwood want quite a few low salary players to fill the list so they can maximize the spend on guys like Houston

Essendon would have wanted the list spots to allow them to match the Kako bid with as many late picks as possible, but then they need to fill those list spots

I don't think either club are seriously expecting those late picks to deliver much

I rate Charlie West from what I have seen at WWT.

 

[Mutineer]

I rate Charlie West from what I have seen at WWT.

And you're not alone as you would know, really rated Charlie, athletically gifted, good leap, quick off the mark and IMO the best contested mark of the talls in this draft.

 

[GameofSloanes]

He has plenty of time to do that, he doesn't need to play tomorrow. Pretty sure he's 191cm which is about Tex height. Plays a similar game too with smart leading, physicality and a long, accurate kick. Tex is another player we got a free swing on, took him until his 5th year in the system to be a consistent forward threat, lots of angst during that time that he wasn't professional or committed. He worked out ok.

Fog has taken a while too, with similar concerns

 

[119others]

Not sure if anyone’s seem the Saints social media team completely buggered up their initial text to Alex Dodson and sent it to a Professor instead…

Can’t do anything right

 

[Trigger13]

Agree. He looks strong and well fed. He will look more "cut" after the preseason - and I'm sure he will have a good preseason. I don't understand the panic. "Indictment" this, "took the piss" that - give him 6-12 months he will be great. He's a nice mark, a beautiful kick and his 20m sprint looks great. Having him turn up emaciated and running middle distance would make no sense.

Ok, let me rephrase it. He clearly doesn’t have the elite standards to turn that talent into a meaningful career.

YET.

As in he clearly needs to change and hopefully will.

 

[119others]

Saints…

 

[Trigger13]

Sounds like a lot of guess work to me

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It’s not guesswork when you look at his body composition and listen to Tony Bamford and people within the club. I’ve heard from multiple people (including a player agent) that senior players and staff at the club viewed his year as very ‘lazy’ and disappointing. The club didn’t tell him to tank. Anyone who thinks that needs to get their head out of the clouds.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

In the other thread I posted from Brisbane to Geelong there are 11 rucks on that list all 25 or under who were drafted by their club and slightly older. Many have very recent draftees. The premiers of the last 3 years have 5 combined.

See that kid Logan Smith taken last pick last night
I’d be watching him closely and having a crack when his contract ends

Same re Dodson

 

[George Kramer]

See that kid Logan Smith taken last pick last night
I’d be watching him closely and having a crack when his contract ends

Same re Dodson

We need a complete ruck overhaul before then though

 

[Macca19]

Thanks.

How do they establish who to invite for the combine? Are a lot of players invited but not go?

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Anyone with 5 or more invites from clubs goes to the AFL combine

Anyone with 1-4 invites goes to the state combines

 

[BRL121]

See that kid Logan Smith taken last pick last night
I’d be watching him closely and having a crack when his contract ends

Same re Dodson

I agree. He's a local here and looks good. He's fine at one of our breeding grounds: GWS. We can pounce at the right time.

 

[Danger in Texas]

I agree. He's a local here and looks good. He's fine at one of our breeding grounds: GWS. We can pounce at the right time.

Funny how we lamented not using the recent expansion clubs as breeding grounds for the longest time - now four of our last five recruits have been from GC/GWS haha

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Richmond's Jonty Faull is a lot different to the other KPF'd in this draft, very mobile, as good on the deck as he is in the air and very aggressive. Worth remembering Jonty had a very limited preseason rehabbing a back issue so only played the latter part of the CTL season and had a good Nationals even though underdone and then lit up the CTL finals for the Rebels.

I think they really would have loved his aggressiveness as the other talls are a bit more timid