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Who are some of the players people think we shouldn't draft with our first pick?
I’m not keen on Smillie, unsure about O’Sullivan.
Preference would be
1. Draper
2. Lalor
3. Smith
4. Langford
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Who are some of the players people think we shouldn't draft with our first pick?
Lack of speed and agility is the knock. If Langford had Draper’s speed and agility he’d easily be a top 5 pick. Because he lacks that sort of athleticism, he probably drops to that 11-16 type range.Langford looks a really suitable prospect. Has good size, good disposal, moves well. What's the knock? Accumulation?
Langford - too slow, which makes him a poor list fit and a reach at pick 4-5.Who are some of the players people think we shouldn't draft with our first pick?
Lalor doesn’t necessarily have the midfield runs on the board like Draper has, but gee he could be anythingLangford - too slow, which makes him a poor list fit and a reach at pick 4-5.
Smillie - has regressed this year, and the history of mids who regress in their draft year is not pretty.
Trainor - he’s a genuine top 8 pick on talent, no doubt about it. If we take a key defender I’ll lose my mind.
Armstrong - the best key forward in the draft without a doubt and a genuine chance to go top 5. If we continue to ignore our midfield, its mind-boggling.
O’Sullivan - I sense a flight risk factor here, and you could argue that there’s been a regression this year too (although injuries have been a factor). I don’t hate this as much as any of the others I’ve listed here though.
Reid - like Langford, not the athletic profile we need and despite being a genuinely good footballer, would be a reach at pick 4-5.
This leaves Lalor, Draper and Smith as my preferred picks, with Lalor my favourite option as a real Petracca type that we just haven’t had on our list since Ricciuto.
Any of these 3 = party time though really, and we are all but guaranteed to have at least one of them available to us if we hold on to the pick.
I dont think he will be regarded as the best pick in 5 years timeI would be more than happy if we draft smillie, he is going to be a gun. Has good acceleration from the stoppage, accumulates plenty of the ball, good long kick and hits the scoreboard.
If I'm picking for us with our 1st pick..in order
1. Sam Lalor provided his medical assessment is OK
2. Sid Draper acceleration and agility
3. Finn O'Sullivan close to the best field kick in this draft if not the best.
And if Draper had Langford's marking and kicking ability he'd be top 5? Odd argument. All players can't be all things.Lack of speed and agility is the knock. If Langford had Draper’s speed and agility he’d easily be a top 5 pick. Because he lacks that sort of athleticism, he probably drops to that 11-16 type range.
I didn’t say or imply that all players can be all things. I simply said that if you injected the speed and agility of someone like Draper into Langford, you’d absolutely have a bona fide top 5 pick.And if Draper had Langford's marking and kicking ability he'd be top 5? Odd argument. All players can't be all things.
I'd be stunned if Langford doesn't go top 10, he probably goes top 5. He's not lightning but he's also not slow. Plays a bit like Dawson (who also isn't quick), strong overhead for a mid, kicks well. You wouldn't stack your midfield with all that type but Dawson will be near the end when Langford's career gets into gear.
I like Draper too but don't discount Langford, would be a great get. Hasn't played a bad game all season and when the quality steps up, he steps up too. Always a good sign.
And if Draper had Langford's marking and kicking ability he'd be top 5? Odd argument. All players can't be all things.
I'd be stunned if Langford doesn't go top 10, he probably goes top 5. He's not lightning but he's also not slow. Plays a bit like Dawson (who also isn't quick), strong overhead for a mid, kicks well. You wouldn't stack your midfield with all that type but Dawson will be near the end when Langford's career gets into gear.
I like Draper too but don't discount Langford, would be a great get. Hasn't played a bad game all season and when the quality steps up, he steps up too. Always a good sign.
We use it to open up list spots on the main list.We seem to have gone away from the old days of using the rookie list on players with potential, to now using it for players who have already been on the list, but we can't quite delist yet.
Bicks, you do realise Jenny has better and more regular insight with key Crows insiders than anyone else I am aware of on this board,Best ask Jenny?
Hamish might have to run it by our recruiting guru Phil Harper?![]()
He's also 190cm, not expecting him to be as agile and quick as the fleet of small mids that abound in this year's draft. I like that he's strong overhead - unlike other tall mids (Cripps, Smilie) who aren't good marks, just big.Preseason athletic testing certainly wasn't too impressive athletically. I think all recruiters eyes will be on Harvey's Combine results with an expectation they have improved especially his speed and agility 3.213 is definitely on the slow side when looking to get separation.
189.9cm, 86.0kg
Vertical (2 feet): 61cm
Vertical R: 70cm
Vertical L: 72cm
5m: 1.210
10m: 1.949
20m: 3.213
Agility: 8.721
Yo-yo: 720
I highly doubt Langford will ever get close to Dawson on a skills level basis personally, sure he's decent overhead and a booming kick but not in the same ballpark precision wise more a metres gained type kicker.He's also 190cm, not expecting him to be as agile and quick as the fleet of small mids that abound in this year's draft. I like that he's strong overhead - unlike other tall mids (Cripps, Smilie) who aren't good marks, just big.
I'd still take Draper or O'Sullivan first but I think Langford will be a very good player, similar to Dawson.
Hilarious. Langford's way ahead of where Dawson was at the same point. Dawson was a medium forward who wasn't even invited to the combine, drafted in the 50s and barely played until his 4th season. Even when he was traded to us, he was a good not elite half back/wingman. Didn't become an elite player until 8 years into his career.I highly doubt Langford will ever get close to Dawson on a skills level basis personally, sure he's decent overhead and a booming kick but not in the same ballpark precision wise more a metres gained type kicker.
All eyes will be on him at the draft combine for sure with the expectation he has improved his numbers athletically IMO.
Milera was also ahead of Dawson at the same point, during their draft yearHilarious. Langford's way ahead of where Dawson was at the same point. Dawson was a medium forward who wasn't even invited to the combine, drafted in the 50s and barely played until his 4th season. Even when he was traded to us, he was a good not elite half back/wingman. Didn't become an elite player until 8 years into his career.
Might want to give those tea leaves a stir.
Accumulation is very high , one of biggest ball winners in draftLangford looks a really suitable prospect. Has good size, good disposal, moves well. What's the knock? Accumulation?
Travaglia is probably my top pickLalor doesn’t necessarily have the midfield runs on the board like Draper has, but gee he could be anything
I still wouldn’t be unhappy if we ended up with Lindsay or Travaglia. Lindsay is still somehow criminally underrated, he accumulates, has good foot skills, speed/athleticism, has shown stoppage work at CTL level - not sure what’s not to like. Travaglia has an extremely high ceiling too, I think
I’m still high on Smillie too, think he still is a good chance to end up a real clearance beast, but yeah the regression isn’t ideal to see
Langford is the one I hope we stay away from
Yeah agreeI watched a bit of Lalor after Sensitive Crow gave him a shout on Here We Crow.
Lot to like in that kid. Could be the exact type of explosive rotation we need to round out our young midfield group. Would be happy to take him at 4
Read the post I replied to for context.Milera was also ahead of Dawson at the same point, during their draft year
I don’t really understand your point here
TBH I'm hoping he goes a little quiet to round out the year. Don't really want to see a late charge up the draft boards into the top 3Yeah agree
Would like to see one or more big games in Coates league as mid before end of year
Already can tell he’s great when he rests forward
going to be a gun?I would be more than happy if we draft smillie, he is going to be a gun. Has good acceleration from the stoppage, accumulates plenty of the ball, good long kick and hits the scoreboard.