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List Mgmt. 2024 AFL Draft (Picks 13, 29, 36, 50, 94, 112, 130)
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Not with pick 10 but if we can't move up, he's one of the players in the mix.
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Tall Forwards and Rucks by Sheehan.
Armstrong another one who could push a quality mid back.
Could come around to Kayle Gerreyn if Dodson is off the table and we have a pick?
Armstrong another one who could push a quality mid back.
Could come around to Kayle Gerreyn if Dodson is off the table and we have a pick?
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Armstrong has always been factored into the group that will be picked before our #13 anyway. He would probably go inside the top 10.
Stop being scared of the position we draft with our first pick lol.
I don't care if it's half back, small forward, utility. I want the biggest X factor/impact player.
I don't care if it's half back, small forward, utility. I want the biggest X factor/impact player.
Apparently there are noise that Bo Allen will go earlier than the Eagles pick 10.
Perhaps it ties into the word that we want in the top 10 and he's the draftee we want.
Perhaps it ties into the word that we want in the top 10 and he's the draftee we want.
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I repect your analysis and your line of thought but I still think back to Hill in 2023, who was the diffence between Collingwood winning or losing. As you pointed out Brisbane in 2024 did dominate all over the ground and especially in the midfield but also and just as strongly in the small forward positions where multiple guys could have earned the Norm Smith. I see our lack of productivity from our forward entries as the most pressing need and filling those positions with players not considered to be good enough for first and second round selections has not worked for us apart from Robbie Gray. I think we have in Drew and Ollie Wines good quality inside mids to complement the class of JHF, Butters and Rozee so as to be, as a unit, one of the stronger midfield groups. What we lack most in my opinion is a Kossie Pickett who can tear a game apart. We are not likely to get someone like him from other teams cast offs and speculative late draft picks like we have been relying on for the last 10 or so years.
Ideally we would have had more than one first round pick for this draft and we could address multiple areas of concern with our list. I suspect our strategy will be best player, regardless of list needs as has been the approach in the past.
My feeling is that we'll take only one tall. But I'm coming up with the following scenarios
Scenario 1
KPD - either Barratt with 36 or Clancy Dennis with 50
KPF - either Gerreyn 36 and Charlie West at 50
Pick 13 = Hynes
Pick 29 = Tom Gross or Hannaford
Pick 36 = James Barratt or Gerreyn
Pick 50 = Charlie West or Dennis
This would give us 2 MID/FWD hybrids, a KPD, KPF and a small forward in Barrett and HB in Burgoyne. That's a well rounded draft that I'd be happy with.
Scenario 2
Assume Hynes is unavailable at 13 and Reid, Tauru and Smilie don't slip
Split 13 for 16 and 21 (GWS) or 19 and 22 (Swans). Mentally prepare coaches to delist McEntee and Jackson.
Pick 16 = Dattoli
Pick 21 = Dodson
Pick 29 = Tom Gross/Hannaford
Pick 36 = James Barratt
Pick 50 = Charlie West
If you think upgrading personnel is going to solve that issue you haven’t been paying attention .
We’ve been plugging coaching failure gaps by upgrading players for how many years now for zero results.
We could have peak Robbie gray up there (oh wait, we did) and still have the issue.
Of course that doesn’t mean we don’t need better small forwards , we absolutely do, I’m just not accepting the idea that either that’s the issue with our ability to score efficiently or that small forwards are the most important factor in winning. They’re not. There’s a reason why they’re the most likely players to go missing when teams have down games.
And as for berry, well a generalisation is just that, it doesn’t apply to individuals but what we know as fact is that small forward form in juniors is notoriously unreliable.
Without knowing exact numbers I’ll wager 90% of the best performing small forwards of juniors of the past decade are working at Bunnings or some such right now. Where as the same wouldn’t be said of the best performing mids in juniors. Hell, every year sa trots out seemingly half a dozen sub 180cm ready made goal scoring juniors in the champs who are fairly dominant and we would be lucky to name 2 or 3 of them that have gone on to be any good recently.
The gulf between how teams defend in juniors to afl is just too large and too different.
None of that means write berry off, you’ve still got too look at him and judge what he has and does not have, but by god you better be damn sure about him if you’re gonna take him.
Without knowing exact numbers I’ll wager 90% of the best performing small forwards of juniors of the past decade are working at Bunnings or some such right now. Where as the same wouldn’t be said of the best performing mids in juniors. Hell, every year sa trots out seemingly half a dozen sub 180cm ready made goal scoring juniors in the champs who are fairly dominant and we would be lucky to name 2 or 3 of them that have gone on to be any good recently.
The gulf between how teams defend in juniors to afl is just too large and too different.
None of that means write berry off, you’ve still got too look at him and judge what he has and does not have, but by god you better be damn sure about him if you’re gonna take him.
The 2 sticking points I have with Berry are
1) I can't see him having any midfield role at AFL level even if it's for a chop out. He has struggled when going into midfield this year and has limited craft
2) His exposed form is solely u18s. Prior to that he wasn't even expected to get drafted. So he's bolted this year but there's limited exposed form compared to others.
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Joe Berry > Cooper Hynes
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Hynes fits a need. Berry doesn't
Trying to compare two completely different players is a ludicrous idea but sure. We need a MID/FWD hybrid rather than another small forward. Hynes has the X-factor that Berry doesn't
FWIW, I can see Berry being the next Bayley Fritsch (I know many have compared him to Dylan Moore but I doubt he plays that at AFL level) while I think Hynes could be the next Stringer (hopefully without the injuries and lack of professionalism). It's a question of which type we need more. If we hadn't gotten Richards and weren't getting Barrett, I'd probably have leant towards Berry too.Fight me Addy23!
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I see where your coming from regarding us obtaining Richards (9 gamer) and hopefully Barrett. But a 9 gamer who's kicked 6 goals doesn't exactly give me confidence to say we have improved our forward line.
Regarding Berry vs Hynes its more so regarding obtaining one or the other with pick 13.
I just think its overs for Hynes at that pick as he's projected to go between late first round and start of 2nd round.
Berry is ONE of the two best small forwards in this draft the other being Kako.
Yeah but Berry has just as many questions on him if not more compared to Richards.
So my take is that you have to go based on needs when talent wise they're the same.
If it was Kako instead of Berry I'd change my mind to go Kako over Hynes. He has the x-factor. Currently I don't think we have anyone in the forward line (maybe SPP) that is consistent swaying games in our favour and that's what I want and think Hynes can be.
Clubs have started to take notice of Hynes' consistency and x-factor this year. He's basically the most complete midfielder after the top 10. So he'll come into first round conversations come draft night.
Even if you take Cal's phantom draft, Berry is 18 and Hynes is 21. The difference of 3 spots in this draft is nothing.
Hynes has 23 goals vs Berry's 27 goals at CTL level and Hynes has played midfield a lot more and average 24 disposals and over a goal a game. I'm surprised he's not much higher up the order in some drafts but recruiters have certainly taken notice.
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Also, Hynes could actually push a quality mid back. The buzz around him going top 10 is getting louder.
With teams having multiple picks before ours, there could be some surprise sliders as teams select on need or try to pick two or more different types of player to balance their picks.
Dattoli is my favourite player, could well do a Kai Lohman next year
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This is exactly the reason why I am hesitant to move up. There's now lots of noise around Bo Allan being of interest to Saints and Melbourne. Hynes being of interest to Melbourne too. Lindsay to Eagles. There'll be someone of quality at our first pick if indeed Allan and Lindsay end up at Saints and Eagles. There's also talk that Richmond are willing to take the risk on Hotton. So its a high risk low reward move imo to trade up.
I know I've been saying I'd move down too but I've also said I wouldn't be doing any trades until draft night. I would much prefer if we held our pick and did live trades depending on what unfolds. If there's a Reid, Smilie, Langford, Draper, Armstrong etc that slides through, we may get a crazy offer on draft night. Could either pick the prospect ourself or the demand might there to turn 13 into 2 later first rounders.
Defs reminds me of Kai, but also has that cheekiness about him like Butters in the way he plays which I love. He really likes being in the face of the opposition
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For the small forwards, I really like Ollie Hannaford. I like him more than Berry and a smidge more than Dattoi who I like a lot.
But then again, I loved Lance Collard last year but it is early days.
But then again, I loved Lance Collard last year but it is early days.
The BigFooty phantom draft has us with Hotton with our first pick and then Dattoli then Hayes.
I might be in the minority but I’d be very happy with those first two picks, but would then like us to take a key back and key forward with the next two.
I might be in the minority but I’d be very happy with those first two picks, but would then like us to take a key back and key forward with the next two.
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