2024 Draft Thread.

[Mat Mann]

Draft Period, November 20–21

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Wednesday, November 20
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Thursday, November 21
• Rookie Promotions: Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Friday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Friday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Friday, November 22, 3.20pm

 

[TheJackal]

Borked was my favourite.

Aaaaah, that's right! That's a hall of famer for sure

 

[Darkhour]

Nope. Petracca was one of the most clear no. 1 consensus picks over the past 20 years. Not Harley Reid but nothing like this year. And yes we can blame the saints recruiting team. it was their responsibility and they got it horribly wrong

as i said, a simple google search will prove you otherwise, but if people want to go with the narrative that we clearly chose wrongly post the fact, then so be it, but he definitely wasn't clear no.1... this year there are many experts predicting many possible no.1 draft picks and then down to our picks at 9/10. Which one is clearly better than the next player? Definitely not an easy thing to do, but we can sit here behind our keyboards and say we know better. Just draft the best player and dont draft for position....

It's clear we need a linebreaking mid (so does everyone) and a key back. Do we draft the best 2 players (mids) available at 9/10 or do we trade a pick to get the best key back plus the next best other? Personally, i say we keep them as is and go the best 2 available, but i'm not going to throw my arms up if we trade down either.

 

[TheJackal]

Player comparison time, Jagga Smith reminded me of someone but I could never put my finger on it. I finally got it, it could be an unpopular opinion but he absolutely reminds me of Darcy Parish

3

Darcy Parish

Age

27

Ht

180cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.4

5star

K

9.2

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

3.3

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

16.6

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

9.1

5star

M

1.4

2star

T

2.0

3star

CL

3.1

4star

D

22.2

5star

K

7.6

3star

HB

14.6

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

as an under 18. Anyone else see the similarities?

 

[joydivision22]

O’Sullivan clunks marks and moves with power laterally very much like current day Heeeny. Also very capable of hiring the scoreboard in different ways consistently whether playing mid or resting forward.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Player comparison time, Jagga Smith reminded me of someone but I could never put my finger on it. I finally got it, it could be an unpopular opinion but at an under 18 he absolutely reminds me of Darcy Parish. Anyone else see the similarities?

Darcy Parish & Paddy Dow=common names? Jagga Smith won't come around too often. Comparisons, pufttt

 

[BarkerFan]

Respectfully disagree BarkerFan.

Time changes many things but it doesn't change facts.

2014 coincided with the near end of the Riewoldt era with no obvious heir apparent.

Prior to the draft in the 2014 trade period, Tom Boyd the recent No. 1 draft pick was traded to the Bulldogs on a 7 year $7 million contract.

Cal Twomey predicted a draft order of McCartin, Brayshaw and then Petracca.

Clearly Trac has turned out the best of the lot and as much as I wish you could, you can't blame the saints recruiting team at the time for this stuff up.

Here's to positive vibes that the recent drafting trend continues and we smash this upcoming draft.

Go saints

Cal Twomey predicted McCartin at 1 only after it had become clear we were taking him there. His predicted phantom draft is different to his rating of players.. In his rating of players, Petracca was no. 1 all year.

The fact is that Petracca was consensus no. 1 all year. That is a fact.

As for us going for a KPF, I make 2 comments
1. The recruiters should know this: take best player available! The fact they did not is something they are responsible for

2. The facts about Tom Boyd has been overstated. Trout chose McCartin over Petracca based on his perception of their character, far more than on their position played. The club stated over and over that the player they brought in was not based on immediate needs, but for the long haul. Again, this is something the recruiters are responsible for. The fact is, Petracca has been a very very professional and dedicated player. So they got that part wrong as well

 

[akaifu]

O’Sullivan clunks marks and moves with power laterally very much like current day Heeeny. Also very capable of hiring the scoreboard in different ways consistently whether playing mid or resting forward.

FOS is a lot faster than Heeney from the eye. I liken him to Dangerfield more than Heeney but I see where you're coming from

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

FOS is a lot faster than Heeney from the eye. I liken him to Dangerfield more than Heeney but I see where you're coming from

Dangerfield 189cm-95kg, yeah like Fos will be that? What comparison? The only kinda comparison to Danger is Holmes, but he's not an inside mid.

 

[akaifu]

Dangerfield 189cm-95kg, yeah like Fos will be that? What comparison?

FOS is shorter but doesn't change the fact they play similar

Both have burst from stoppage
Both good overhead
Both able to play forward and have an impact
Both have outside attributes such as running power and speed

The last point is what I don't really see in Heeney as much as the other 2

 

[Verdun66]

All these fantastically rated players seem to have downsides. Every player has a but….. But he doesn’t do this, but he doesn’t do that. In a Superdraft!

Makes me kind of glad we kept our picks for next year. So far.

 

[Daniels2Heatley]

Cal Twomey predicted McCartin at 1 only after it had become clear we were taking him there. His predicted phantom draft is different to his rating of players.. In his rating of players, Petracca was no. 1 all year.

The fact is that Petracca was consensus no. 1 all year. That is a fact.

As for us going for a KPF, I make 2 comments
1. The recruiters should know this: take best player available! The fact they did not is something they are responsible for

2. The facts about Tom Boyd has been overstated. Trout chose McCartin over Petracca based on his perception of their character, far more than on their position played. The club stated over and over that the player they brought in was not based on immediate needs, but for the long haul. Again, this is something the recruiters are responsible for. The fact is, Petracca has been a very very professional and dedicated player. So they got that part wrong as well

Comment 2 is based purely on hindsight and contradicts your original statement.
Footballing ability is unquestionable, however, at draft time Petracca was perceived as a selfish FIGJAM and that perception has been confirmed given his recent behaviour and trade requests...

 

[Jay Beast]

Reid with 8.
No brainer.
Footy IQ through the roof. Pure class.

 

[St Neil]

Getting Pick 6 only benefits us if North Melbourne stay at Pick 2. Otherwise theres no point. If we traded for 6 and then Richmond go and swap 2 for 10 & 11 we are back to square one. One mid that slides and then an extra pick just outside of that.

I doubt North would do that.

Demons would take Tauru at 9. North needs 6.


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[austinnn]

Who would you say out of Smilie and Langford is more extroverted? Less Clark-Membrey-Ross-Sinclair-Steele shy boy, more JDG-Dusty-Warner-Oliver big dog who craves the big stage and takes command rather than politely waiting to be given permission?

I know I'm a nuffie and I know f-all about either player, but for me the answer is Smilie and that's who gets my preference. But I'd appreciate the opinion of anyone who is better placed to judge the difference in this context.

 

[austinnn]

On the other hand if we do go for Langford I wouldn't be disappointed. If we get him with 7 and don't try to bundle 8 up to get 4 or 5, I wouldn't be adverse to splitting 8 and going after Harvey's good mate Cooper Hynes.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Player comparison time, Jagga Smith reminded me of someone but I could never put my finger on it. I finally got it, it could be an unpopular opinion but at an under 18 he absolutely reminds me of Darcy Parish

3

Darcy Parish

Age

27

Ht

180cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.4

5star

K

9.2

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

3.3

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

16.6

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

9.1

5star

M

1.4

2star

T

2.0

3star

CL

3.1

4star

D

22.2

5star

K

7.6

3star

HB

14.6

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

. Anyone else see the similarities?

Reckon he’s more Steele Sidebottom


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[saintmike65]

FOS is a lot faster than Heeney from the eye. I liken him to Dangerfield more than Heeney but I see where you're coming from

Only way to get FOS is to get hold of North’s #2…would be nice to beat Carlton to the punch!

 

[saintmike65]

On the other hand if we do go for Langford I wouldn't be disappointed. If we get him with 7 and don't try to bundle 8 up to get 4 or 5, I wouldn't be adverse to splitting 8 and going after Harvey's good mate Cooper Hynes.

GWS are well placed to pick swap with us if we’re prepared to trade back!

 

[saintmike65]

Reckon he’s more Steele Sidebottom


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Murphy Reid reminds me of Sidebottom

 

[saintmike65]

Who would you say out of Smilie and Langford is more extroverted? Less Clark-Membrey-Ross-Sinclair-Steele shy boy, more JDG-Dusty-Warner-Oliver big dog who craves the big stage and takes command rather than politely waiting to be given permission?

I know I'm a nuffie and I know f-all about either player, but for me the answer is Smilie and that's who gets my preference. But I'd appreciate the opinion of anyone who is better placed to judge the difference in this context.

Lalor & Hynes would more fit your criteria

 

[saintmike65]

Comment 2 is based purely on hindsight and contradicts your original statement.
Footballing ability is unquestionable, however, at draft time Petracca was perceived as a selfish FIGJAM and that perception has been confirmed given his recent behaviour and trade requests...

Maybe but he’s got a premiership & Norm Smith medal..

 

[goodie23]

Cal Twomey predicted McCartin at 1 only after it had become clear we were taking him there. His predicted phantom draft is different to his rating of players.. In his rating of players, Petracca was no. 1 all year.

The fact is that Petracca was consensus no. 1 all year. That is a fact.

As for us going for a KPF, I make 2 comments
1. The recruiters should know this: take best player available! The fact they did not is something they are responsible for

2. The facts about Tom Boyd has been overstated. Trout chose McCartin over Petracca based on his perception of their character, far more than on their position played. The club stated over and over that the player they brought in was not based on immediate needs, but for the long haul. Again, this is something the recruiters are responsible for. The fact is, Petracca has been a very very professional and dedicated player. So they got that part wrong as well

The original frontrunner for the #1 pick was Peter Wright

10 days to the draft: Meet Peter Wright

An exciting prospect with a great kick, but is ruck or forward his spot?

www.afl.com.au

 

[austinnn]

Footballing ability is unquestionable, however, at draft time Petracca was perceived as a selfish FIGJAM and that perception has been confirmed given his recent behaviour and trade requests...

This type of thinking on character is what Trout was famous for and as a result was responsible for filling our club with nice shy boys and creating a leadership vacuum. A big reason why we have never got anywhere for the last 14 years. Petracca wants out of the club because the Demon culture stinks from tip to toe, I don't blame him one bit.

 

[austinnn]

Lalor & Hynes would more fit your criteria

Understood, and they are two of my faves but one will probably not slide out of the top 3 and the other will require us to split a pick or find a third at the end of the 1st Rd. To get either we'd have to get pretty crafty.

I was talking specifically out of the two players I mentioned, Langford and Smilie.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

This type of thinking on character is what Trout was famous for and as a result was responsible for filling our club with nice shy boys and creating a leadership vacuum. A big reason why we have never got anywhere for the last 14 years. Petracca wants out of the club because the Demon culture stinks from tip to toe, I don't blame him one bit.

The push to recruit choirboys was an over correction from the nude pic/school girl/dwarf scandals.

People always ignore the fact that 2013 was ground zero in the rebuild which started with a draft of 3 kids they expected to be our future midfield.

2014 was the ‘get your spine sorted’ draft.

It didn’t work out & the guys who made those calls are long gone.


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