List Mgmt. 2024 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

It was a bigger shame for the woman he flogged. Club did the right thing.

 

[Swanssince91]

For what reason

Just looks like a knob

 

[momentbymoment]

Imagine owning a house in Sydneys eastern suburbs.. no better time to buy and the capital gain will be Huge over the next 5-10 years.. much more than any salary
Imagine working for an organisation that has a very close relationship with Realestate.com, and HSBC.. what a great combo of connections if you want to get into the most expensive real estate market in the world.

Part of Blakeys long term contract was so he could buy a house (to quote Horse & Harley)
I wouldn't be surprised if there are deals going down between Swans players and Swans Sponsors (all completely legal and ethical)
I reckon long term deals could possibly create huge financial benefits for Swans players.. maybe allowing them to be paid less(?) and still be financially better off at the end of their contracts
McCartin, Heeney, Mills, Papley, Blackey all 5+ years
Amartey, McLean, Rowbottom 3-4 years
Even Grundy reports of being on $1.2m this year may be as a result the Swans front loading his last 4 years giving him better access to the property market?????
My point is that these contracts are very complex and unique to the individual

Logan might get 2 years.. might get 10..
Errol might get 2.. might get 10..
All I know is I feel confidant that the Swans know their players worth and are smart enough work outside the box to give them every bit of that worth..

Great insight.
So we are learning from Geelong after all.

As long as we don’t get a trade ban for using the COL to our advantage.

 

[dosser]

Imagine owning a house in Sydneys eastern suburbs.. no better time to buy and the capital gain will be Huge over the next 5-10 years.. much more than any salary
Imagine working for an organisation that has a very close relationship with Realestate.com, and HSBC.. what a great combo of connections if you want to get into the most expensive real estate market in the world.

Part of Blakeys long term contract was so he could buy a house (to quote Horse & Harley)
I wouldn't be surprised if there are deals going down between Swans players and Swans Sponsors (all completely legal and ethical)
I reckon long term deals could possibly create huge financial benefits for Swans players.. maybe allowing them to be paid less(?) and still be financially better off at the end of their contracts
McCartin, Heeney, Mills, Papley, Blackey all 5+ years
Amartey, McLean, Rowbottom 3-4 years
Even Grundy reports of being on $1.2m this year may be as a result the Swans front loading his last 4 years giving him better access to the property market?????
My point is that these contracts are very complex and unique to the individual

Logan might get 2 years.. might get 10..
Errol might get 2.. might get 10..
All I know is I feel confidant that the Swans know their players worth and are smart enough work outside the box to give them every bit of that worth..

Sheedy once said words to the effect that if you finished your AFL career and have your house paid off then you have won. It's a pretty good start to your adult life.

 

[momentbymoment]

Ok.
I have read all 17 pages.
Pretty sure I have lost a few IQ points in the process, but all good.

Summary
We need a few medium forwards who can kick straight.

 

[momentbymoment]

Sheedy once said words to the effect that if you finished your AFL career and have your house paid off then you have won. It's a pretty good start to your adult life.

And it’s fair to say, that if you have your eastern suburb house paid off, you have won well.

 

[Swanssince91]

We need another key defender to compete, we've gone backwards since Mcartins retirement

 

[melbournehammer]

We need another key defender to compete, we've gone backwards since Mcartins retirement

These guys don’t grow on trees. North got the best state league player, one Toby pink and he’s struggling. We reached for hamling and Francis in recent years.

There’s not a lot out there

 

[Swanssince91]

These guys don’t grow on trees. North got the best state league player, one Toby pink and he’s struggling. We reached for hamling and Francis in recent years.

There’s not a lot out there

Can understand why we had a crack at Mckay

We have an uncanny knack of turning an average forward into a really good defender.
McLean is the only one that could potentially do it.

I can only see
Mcgovern old and still has a year left on his current contract
Balta still has a year on his contract
Battle is a free agent, he doesn't stand the bigger forwards
Dougal Howard

Younger and relatively inexperienced
Charlie Comben looked good for North the other day
Miller from Ricmond looked ok against us

Dogs have a few young ones that haven't played but have been good at vfl level

 

[The King!]

Very late pick, not on the draft boards

lol ok so anyone picked late wouldn't have made it if not for the club?

goodes, parker etc

 

[The King!]

Rusty… people were suggesting Hayward is some top notch medium fwd. imo, he ain’t. The purpose of my post was to suggest there are others who are better. Was not suggesting they were available for trade but some might be. Never hurts to ask.

Fair to ask of any player , is there someone better , true for a lot of players. Doesn't mean you can just swap for them.

Hayward is not a star but he does the half forward role and would be in the top few for this role. A role hardly anyone makes themselves a superstar in.

If we announce Hayward on 6 years and it leaks out of like 800-900k a year then wowzers of course.

But i'd rather keep the midsize good mark who kicks a few goes, chases hard, puts his body on the line, he is a good clubman

 

[Swanssince91]

lol ok so anyone picked late wouldn't have made it if not for the club?

goodes, parker etc

Well he wasn't on too many clubs radars was he... just sayin

 

[The King!]

Well he wasn't on too many clubs radars was he... just sayin

Well they had to get to Aaron Francis first .

 

[Swanssince91]

Well they had to get to Aaron Francis first .

Alot of players just need the opportunity, we gave Jordan the opportunity
The cows overlooked him

We gave him the opportunity and developed him into the player he is

Is this incorrect?

 

[bedford]

Alot of players just need the opportunity, we gave Jordan the opportunity
The cows overlooked him

We gave him the opportunity and developed him into the player he is

Is this incorrect?

wtf are the cows

 

[Bloods86]

wtf are the cows

 

[The King!]

Alot of players just need the opportunity, we gave Jordan the opportunity
The cows overlooked him

We gave him the opportunity and developed him into the player he is

Is this incorrect?

It's not incorrect we gave him an opportunity , it is incorrect to say he wouldn't make it without sydney , we didn't pluck him from Canada and teach him the game.

Again you are telling me Adam Goodes only made it thanks to Sydney, no chance otherwise ?

 

[dosser]

It's not incorrect we gave him an opportunity , it is incorrect to say he wouldn't make it without sydney , we didn't pluck him from Canada and teach him the game.

Again you are telling me Adam Goodes only made it thanks to Sydney, no chance otherwise ?

Goodes would have ended up a poor man's Ed Barlow if it wasn't for Sydney.

 

[caesar88]

Everyone's entitled to their opinions of course and that's what makes this place and especially this thread interesting. But I personally feel like we don't really have any glaring issues. The first few weeks showed that when we are on, our back six is strong and the three tall forwards work.

Right now we're not on. Our tackling intensity the last two weeks feels the lowest it's been in a long time, generally very good users are not using the ball very good, and the boys don't seem to be working hard enough for each other. When those simple fundamentals are gone, everything else will unravel - your back six will be under the pump and will feel it; your forward line won't function.

It's almost too hard to judge what we need list-wise when the fundamentals aren't there. However if there's one thing I think we need to invest in, it's maybe more forward half pressure types, as even when we were playing well that felt like an area we were lacking in. I'd be maybe looking at some hard-edged, high-tackling ground level forwards around the comp as we only really have Wicks and Fox in this regard.

 

[liz]

(which would pair nicely with our other end of first rounder).

Both of them!

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Everyone's entitled to their opinions of course and that's what makes this place and especially this thread interesting. But I personally feel like we don't really have any glaring issues. The first few weeks showed that when we are on, our back six is strong and the three tall forwards work.

Right now we're not on. Our tackling intensity the last two weeks feels the lowest it's been in a long time, generally very good users are not using the ball very good, and the boys don't seem to be working hard enough for each other. When those simple fundamentals are gone, everything else will unravel - your back six will be under the pump and will feel it; your forward line won't function.

It's almost too hard to judge what we need list-wise when the fundamentals aren't there. However if there's one thing I think we need to invest in, it's maybe more forward half pressure types, as even when we were playing well that felt like an area we were lacking in. I'd be maybe looking at some hard-edged, high-tackling ground level forwards around the comp as we only really have Wicks and Fox in this regard.

Agree entirely. Except for the part about Wicks and Fox being high tackling ground level forwards.

Fox is just shoehorned in there largely to nullify the opposition’s intercept markers.

And Wicks - well, I just don’t know. When he’s in, he’s viewed as a C-grade fringe player. When he’s not in, he suddenly becomes indispensable.

The last high tackling pressure player we had (outside of Rowy) was Clamps.

I think a pressure forward would be great - albeit I also think KPD is our biggest risk area. Tommy goes down & we are in a world of hurt.

 

[bedford]

Agree entirely. Except for the part about Wicks and Fox being high tackling ground level forwards.

Fox is just shoehorned in there largely to nullify the opposition’s intercept markers.

And Wicks - well, I just don’t know. When he’s in, he’s viewed as a C-grade fringe player. When he’s not in, he suddenly becomes indispensable.

The last high tackling pressure player we had (outside of Rowy) was Clamps.

I think a pressure forward would be great - albeit I also think KPD is our biggest risk area. Tommy goes down & we are in a world of hurt.

Melican says hello . Hoping Arnold comes on in the 2nd half and there's Hambling

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Melican says hello . Hoping Arnold comes on in the 2nd half and there's Hambling

You’re hoping a bloke with 0 games AFL experience returns from injury mid season and becomes a quality key position defender?

Or an injury prone 30 year old at his 4th club?

Gotta admire your optimism bedford !

 

[The King!]

Everyone's entitled to their opinions of course and that's what makes this place and especially this thread interesting. But I personally feel like we don't really have any glaring issues. The first few weeks showed that when we are on, our back six is strong and the three tall forwards work.

Right now we're not on. Our tackling intensity the last two weeks feels the lowest it's been in a long time, generally very good users are not using the ball very good, and the boys don't seem to be working hard enough for each other. When those simple fundamentals are gone, everything else will unravel - your back six will be under the pump and will feel it; your forward line won't function.

It's almost too hard to judge what we need list-wise when the fundamentals aren't there. However if there's one thing I think we need to invest in, it's maybe more forward half pressure types, as even when we were playing well that felt like an area we were lacking in. I'd be maybe looking at some hard-edged, high-tackling ground level forwards around the comp as we only really have Wicks and Fox in this regard.

Good post

Some of concerns I guess are unknowns around the forwards, the 3 talls we currently have probably haven't found that groove together but still so early.

the only other one is Rampe getting old and then missing leaves a bigger gap than I expected (so far)

But I think our list miss is quite good

 

[caesar88]

Agree entirely. Except for the part about Wicks and Fox being high tackling ground level forwards.

Fox is just shoehorned in there largely to nullify the opposition’s intercept markers.

And Wicks - well, I just don’t know. When he’s in, he’s viewed as a C-grade fringe player. When he’s not in, he suddenly becomes indispensable.

The last high tackling pressure player we had (outside of Rowy) was Clamps.

I think a pressure forward would be great - albeit I also think KPD is our biggest risk area. Tommy goes down & we are in a world of hurt.

I don't think it's a stretch to suggest Wicks and Fox offer a lot in terms of forward pressure.

I just think it's strange how people seem to recognise that pressure is the most important part of our game yet seem happy to have a grand total of 1 player who could be considered elite when it comes to pressure.