List Mgmt. 2024 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

 

[rustycrate]

Various claims have been made about Hayward being a top level medium forward in the comp. There are players from most Clubs I would prefer in the role. Nb. rustycrate

Adelaide - Ben Keays (27) UFA at the end of 2024. plays as a medium fwd/mid; Josh Rachele (20) RFA at the end of 2029 about to turn 21 averages a goal a game, Luke Pedlar (21) Out of contract at the end of 2026 about to turn 22 and had a cracking 2023

Brions - Lincoln McCarthy (30) Out of contract at the end of 2024, because of his exceptional marking plays as a medium fwd. One of my favourite players, he is a reliable kick, ferocious tackler and true team man. Would take him in a heart beat. Zac Bailey (24) RFA at the end of 2026 is younger than Linc and a hybrid mid/fwd. He is a terrific player and does not disappear in big games. Kicked the goal of the last GF and does not disappear in big games.

Pies - Lipinski (25) Out of contract at the end of 2027, cough Da Goey (28) UFA at the end of 2027 cough, Jamie Elliot (31) UFA at the end of 2025 has been a wonderful player who plays taller than his height but must be in his last year - but still a better player than Hayward.

Dockers - Michael Frederick (23) Out of contract at the end of 2026 still 23 but a vital spark for Freo and a long way from reaching his ceiling. Excellent tackler and kicks goals

Cats - Hayward is light years ahead of The Grohan

Suns - Malcolm Rosas jnr (22) Out of contract at the end of 2025 is a fantastic med fwd, applying pressure kicking goals for fun and adding speed and team ethic. Love watching this kid play. Bailey Humphrey is still just 19 but have excluded as he will find a spot in their mids.

Giants - surely no-one would prefer Will ahead of Toby Greene? Improving all the time Callum M Brown (23) Out of contract at the end of 2025 will be overtake Will this year.

Dees - and of course I’d take the Fritter (27) RFA at the end of 2026 ahead of Will. I like forwards who kick goals and make the best of their opportunities.

Tiges - even in his dotage Dusty, Dusty, Dusty Not going there

Saints - Butler and cough Tim Membrey been there cough - both are smart goal kickers and apply pressure.

Footscray - Weightman (23) Out of contract at the end of 2025 plays taller as a medium. Has got the Ginnipig out of his game.

I am curious to learn how many posters here watch many other games. I get loyalty is important in being a fan. We want to think our players are the best. We reckon each of the kids shows great promise.

The above are just some players I would prefer or would consider ahead of Will. He is not elite but a B grader in his field.

Ok. Great post GUH. I have assessed all of your preferables to Will.
Basically it comes down to two out of contract players this year.
Ben Keas. So we trade out Will for Ben Keas.
Lincoln McCarthy-he is 30 and not in our preferred age group going forward. I would rule him out just on that.

The rest are contracted. Contracted = more dollars to pry them out.

Summary
We trade out Will for Ben Keays.

 

[Swanssince91]

lol rubbish

Very late pick, not on the draft boards

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Ok. Great post GUH. I have assessed all of your preferables to Will.
Basically it comes down to two out of contract players this year.
Ben Keas. So we trade out Will for Ben Keas.
Lincoln McCarthy-he is 30 and not in our preferred age group going forward. I would rule him out just on that.

The rest are contracted. Contracted = more dollars to pry them out.

Summary
We trade out Will for Ben Keays.

Rusty… people were suggesting Hayward is some top notch medium fwd. imo, he ain’t. The purpose of my post was to suggest there are others who are better. Was not suggesting they were available for trade but some might be. Never hurts to ask.

 

[RedBloodBlackSwan]

I feel like someone’s been reading this thread…

The low-key Tiger who sparked a modern footy trend

It's time this humble yet 'super critical' role gets the plaudits it deserves, writes Cal Twomey

www.afl.com.au

Very insightful article, thanks for sharing.

There needs to be a stat for filling otherwise dangerous spaces. Maybe call it structural pressure plays.

Makes Haywards role much easier to understand now (and I must admit I had indeed been under appreciating him). The coaches comments that you don’t even need them to kick goals is fascinating.

What’s also interesting is that halfback defenders used to be defensive and half forwards aggressive. It has almost completely reversed now.

 

[rustycrate]

Rusty… people were suggesting Hayward is some top notch medium fwd. imo, he ain’t. The purpose of my post was to suggest there are others who are better. Was not suggesting they were available for trade but some might be. Never hurts to ask.

Yep. I understand that. But others want him out
Some have suggested band 2 compensation.
Others have not offered anything.
My point is if we get rid of him like many on here are advocating, then who do we replace him with that makes the team better.
We are in a premiership window, trading out players for picks does not make the best 22 better. Trading out players just because they kick around the corner? What makes our team better?
I am happy to discuss trading out Will if we get something back that is better.
I have still not received a response that makes our team better.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Yep. I understand that. But others want him out
Some have suggested band 2 compensation.
Others have not offered anything.
My point is if we get rid of him like many on here are advocating, then who do we replace him with that makes the team better.
We are in a premiership window, trading out players for picks does not make the best 22 better. Trading out players just because they kick around the corner? What makes our team better?
I am happy to discuss trading out Will if we get something back that is better.
I have still not received a response that makes our team better.

Lol get Hugo back. He went to water on Sunday. I’d play a combo of a Parker and Adams there. With three talls why have a medium spoiling them who is not crash hot at crumbing.

 

[tombomb]

Various claims have been made about Hayward being a top level medium forward in the comp. There are players from most Clubs I would prefer in the role. Nb. rustycrate

Adelaide - Ben Keays, plays as a medium fwd/mid; Josh Rachele about to turn 21 averages a goal a game, Luke Pedlar about to turn 22 and had a cracking 2023

Brions - Lincoln McCarthy because of his exceptional marking plays as a medium fwd. One of my favourite players, he is a reliable kick, ferocious tackler and true team man. Would take him in a heart beat. Zac Bailey is younger than Linc and a hybrid mid/fwd. He is a terrific player and does not disappear in big games. Kicked the goal of the last GF and does not disappear in big games.

Pies - Lipinski, cough Da Goey cough, Jamie Elliot has been a wonderful player who plays taller than his height but must be in his last year - but still a better player than Hayward.

Dockers - Michael Frederick still 23 but a vital spark for Freo and a long way from reaching his ceiling. Excellent tackler and kicks goals

Cats - Hayward is light years ahead of The Grohan

Suns - Malcolm Rosas jnr is a fantastic med fwd, applying pressure kicking goals for fun and adding speed and team ethic. Love watching this kid play. Bailey Humphrey is still just 19 but have excluded as he will find a spot in their mids.

Giants - surely no-one would prefer Will ahead of Toby Greene? Improving all the time Callum M Brown will be overtake Will this year.

Dees - and of course I’d take the Fritter ahead of Will. I like forwards who kick goals and make the best of their opportunities.

Tiges - even in his dotage Dusty, Dusty, Dusty

Saints - Butler and cough Tim Membrey cough - both are smart goal kickers and apply pressure.

Footscray - Weightman plays taller as a medium. Has got the Ginnipig out of his game.

I am curious to learn how many posters here watch many other games. I get loyalty is important in being a fan. We want to think our players are the best. We reckon each of the kids shows great promise.

The above are just some players I would prefer or would consider ahead of Will. He is not elite but a B grader in his field.

I'd take Will over Keays, Pedlar, McCarthy, Lipinski, Frederick, Rohan, Rosas, Callum M Brown, Butler and Membrey.

Will is a much better player than both Rachele and Humphrey, but they will no doubt improve.

I don't think Will is a star, but I think you are very glowing about other team's players while being exceptionally hard on one of our own.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

I'd take Will over Keays, Pedlar, McCarthy, Lipinski, Frederick, Rohan, Rosas, Callum M Brown, Butler and Membrey.

Will is a much better player than both Rachele and Humphrey, but they will no doubt improve.

I don't think Will is a star, but I think you are very glowing about other team's players while being exceptionally hard on one of our own.

Do you watch many other games of footy?

 

[tombomb]

Do you watch many other games of footy?

Only if they are on while I am eating dinner.

 

[Cadsky]

Ok. Great post GUH. I have assessed all of your preferables to Will.
Basically it comes down to two out of contract players this year.
Ben Keas. So we trade out Will for Ben Keas.
Lincoln McCarthy-he is 30 and not in our preferred age group going forward. I would rule him out just on that.

The rest are contracted. Contracted = more dollars to pry them out.

Summary
We trade out Will for Ben Keays.

Would take Keays in a heartbeat

 

[Ed_Gein]

I would take Weight man...

 

[Kiama Chris]

I would take Weight man...

Me too, but a different role to Hayward. Second small forward with Papley. Now that he's stopped cheating he looks a damned good player.

 

[Jewelsbon]

Rusty… people were suggesting Hayward is some top notch medium fwd. imo, he ain’t. The purpose of my post was to suggest there are others who are better. Was not suggesting they were available for trade but some might be. Never hurts to ask.

In YOUR opinion.....

In MY opinion he does his job and he does it well and personally think he's better than most you named.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

In YOUR opinion.....

In MY opinion he does his job and he does it well and personally think he's better than most you named.

Sure. It is all opinion.

 

[DeathlyAccurate]

If we trade Hayward I absolutely want him to kick 8 goals in a game against us, just once, for the lels around here.


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[Ticky009]

 

[zyzzbruh]

Do you watch many other games of footy?

There is only 1 player better than hayward at his role and that's Ollie Henry. Even he struggles with his end product sometimes. There is not a single other player better, it is what it is. We get rid of Hayward then we accept that we will be a net loss in that area. The basic observer won't understand how it impacts the team though so wouldn't be any skin off their nose. They'll just be sitting there wondering why we've got no half forward representation, poor link up play, and why the opposition finds it much easier to rebound.

You can add fritter to the conversation but he's a bit of a soft**** and refuses to lay a contest in any link up play.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

 

[Adnico26Parker]

Swans free agent addresses links to rival club: AFL trade news

One interstate side is said to be keen on the off-contract forward.

www.zerohanger.com

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Swans free agent addresses links to rival club: AFL trade news

One interstate side is said to be keen on the off-contract forward.

www.zerohanger.com

It’s ok. We never get reamed by the Crows at the trade table.

Added to which, future drafts will be heavily compromised by Tasmania - so draft picks ain’t gonna be they’re cracked up to be.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Swans free agent addresses links to rival club: AFL trade news

One interstate side is said to be keen on the off-contract forward.

www.zerohanger.com

With his mum in the frame it is only a matter of time before he is called Archie Hayward.

 

[Bonz]

It’s ok. We never get reamed by the Crows at the trade table.

Added to which, future drafts will be heavily compromised by Tasmania - so draft picks ain’t gonna be they’re cracked up to be.

His a free agent, but we won't get close to his actual value.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

His a free agent, but we won't get close to his actual value.

I thought he was only an RFA?

But I agree, we wouldn’t achieve fair value.

 

[Bonz]

I thought he was only an RFA?

But I agree, we wouldn’t achieve fair value.

Not many RFA's get matched.

Can think of Dangerfield and maybe Cameron?

 

[Kiama Chris]

If they make a good enough offer and we match and force a trade we have the leverage for once. Compo pick likely to be late first round at very best so that's not good enough. Pick 4 too high, 36 way too low. Future picks meh! Interesting.