List Mgmt. 2024 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

 

[Olian]

He said in the news report that we have offered him a deal. Doesn't mention that in his tweet

No, I assume it’s a given we have (or would) make an offer but the interest is in who else will make an offer.

 

[caesar88]

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Hayward for Judas.

Job done.

God I’m a good negotiator.

 

[hairy biker]

Apparently Demons, Blues, Crows and Power are chasing after Hayward.

Well that can't be right, because, well you know, apparently he's shit.

 

[Wheresbuddy]

Well that can't be right, because, well you know, apparently he's s**t.

Unpopular opinion, but I hope he stays.

 

[hairy biker]

Unpopular opinion, but I hope he stays.

I don't think it's an unpopular opinion at all.

Some persistent 'vocal' critics on here, but generally he does the job he's entrusted to do.
As rustycrate has posted a number of times (without IMO adequate reply) if he goes who is going to do his job that is already on our list and how much would it cost ($s and draft picks) to bring in a better player?

I certainly hope he stays.

 

[Wheresbuddy]

I don't think it's an unpopular opinion at all.

Some persistent 'vocal' critics on here, but generally he does the job he's entrusted to do.
As rustycrate has posted a number of times (without IMO adequate reply) if he goes who is going to do his job that is already on our list and how much would it cost ($s and draft picks) to bring in a better player?

I certainly hope he stays.

I think as an indication of how low an opinion some have of him, they had him benched for HHK last year.

 

[Jimbo OZ]

I rate him highly. Tough job and he does it well most weeks. To be fair, some of the people wanting to trade Hayward were happy to trade Heeney’s contract away not that long ago.

 

[bedford]

I think as an indication of how low an opinion some have of him, they had him benched for HHK last year.

Now that can't be true , at least Haywood can play , as i posted yesterday if he's a Swans premiership player id be very happy

 

[bedford]

We really need a Hayward thread lol

 

[Punts]

Prick of a position high hf

He is frustrating at times no doubt but there isn’t anyone in the 2s near his level.

Unless they get the north fella I hope he stays

 

[caesar88]

I don't think it's an unpopular opinion at all.

Some persistent 'vocal' critics on here, but generally he does the job he's entrusted to do.
As rustycrate has posted a number of times (without IMO adequate reply) if he goes who is going to do his job that is already on our list and how much would it cost ($s and draft picks) to bring in a better player?

I certainly hope he stays.

Re rusty's question, I can't speak for others, but I'd be OK with trading him in the event that doing so helps us retain better, more important players. It's not a matter of Hayward's quality or importance, it's his relative quality and importance where I think he fairs poorly, and why he's very low on my priority list of Swans to keep.

It doesn't mean that I'd prefer some draft picks in return, or that I'd be happy with whoever we replace him with. It just might be a necessary evil.

And I think that's OK.

From what I've heard, list managers are far more ruthless than we fans are, and the idea of sacrificial lambs is far more common in list management discussions than it is even on here. So any conversations we've had about who we want to keep and who we'd be OK with letting go I can almost guarantee you has been had by our list managers already.

 

[Dan87]

It's really difficult to attract players to Sydney, especially B+ players in odd positions. Hayward’s a good and unique player that can get a plush deal in any state

It is beyond a no brainer to keep him if we can

 

[Swannie0307]

Delisted him last year.

Who?

 

[hairy biker]

Re rusty's question, I can't speak for others, but I'd be OK with trading him in the event that doing so helps us retain better, more important players. It's not a matter of Hayward's quality or importance, it's his relative quality and importance where I think he fairs poorly, and why he's very low on my priority list of Swans to keep.

It doesn't mean that I'd prefer some draft picks in return, or that I'd be happy with whoever we replace him with. It just might be a necessary evil.

And I think that's OK.

From what I've heard, list managers are far more ruthless than we fans are, and the idea of sacrificial lambs is far more common in list management discussions than it is even on here. So any conversations we've had about who we want to keep and who we'd be OK with letting go I can almost guarantee you has been had by our list managers already.

You have called him the 'most unwatchable Swan we've ever had in my lifetime', you offered to drive him to the airport and even a few posts above you posted;


Sorry this whole oh if we have to give him up, it would be a necessary evil, doesn't wash.

You don't rate him, that's your right, but let's not pretend you haven't had him in the gun for quite some time.

 

[caesar88]

Who?

Lachie Rankin.

I was a fan, half in jest, half in genuine belief that he could've been a very good player if given the chance.

I'm not critical of the club for delisting him as we ultimately needed to free list spots to accommodate the trade bounty that undeniably improved our list. However in delisting him we did lose the one player outside of the best 22 who looked most capable of shutting down opposition small forwards.

 

[caesar88]

You have called him the 'most unwatchable Swan we've ever had in my lifetime, you offered to drive him to the airport and even a few posts above you posted;
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Sorry this whole oh if we have to give him up, it would be a necessary evil, doesn't wash.

All of the above can be true, no?

I've never denied that I don't rate Hayward.

I've also said multiple times that I don't want to lose a player in his mid-20s with 100+ games experience, regardless of how much I do or don't rate them.

The offer to "drive him to the airport" was in response to the claim that he was in our top 25% of earners, and the above GIF was in response to the clear demand for him that is going to make him expensive to keep. Which is where the necessary evil situation begins to emerge.

 

[Swannie0307]

Lachie Rankin.

I was a fan, half in jest, half in genuine belief that he could've been a very good player if given the chance.

I'm not critical of the club for delisting him as we ultimately needed to free list spots to accommodate the trade bounty that undeniably improved our list. However in delisting him we did lose the one player outside of the best 22 who looked most capable of shutting down opposition small forwards.

Thanks for clarifying… yeah just looked at our delistings and thought it must’ve been him.

 

[Wheresbuddy]

We need another Nick Smith! Which of our non 1st team youngsters could potentially become the next Smooch?

I reckon Corey Warner could give it a go. He's fast enough and looks in cracking shape. I'd also consider James Jordan as a potential option.

 

[rustycrate]

I look at our list and it is pretty good. We have most positions covered.
We have 2 late first rounders. Plus a third.
If Hayward goes we should get a pretty good compensation pick. That will then be 3 pretty good picks. There is a lot of interest in him apparently.
But we sort of don't need draft picks this year. Aside from potentially losing Hayward(1 list spot) I can only find rookie players definitely moving on such as Reid, probably Arnold(at 25 years old he hasn't threatened anything). Etc

We have some potential Academy players to bring in.

Draft targets(looking at need)
Could draft a small defender. But I doubt it. We don't waste first rounders on a small defender. They usually just appear from within the squad.
Could draft a KPD. But I doubt it. We have Snell and Edwards developing.
Mids. We are pretty full. I doubt it. Some like Roberts going to defenders. Some like Adams, Parker, Heeney, Sheldrick going forward.
Medium forward. Possibly. Hayward may leave. Heeney is excelling in the Mids. The cupboard is bare.
FF. Possibly. Reid is out the door. Amartey is teasing but not claiming the spot as his own. Buller who knows.

But the problem is who on the main list will be delisted and I can't find anyone with a compelling case to be traded out apart from Hayward.
Parker and Rampe may retire next year as both are signed until 2025. Ladhams signed until 2025.

Can see us moving picks to next year or combining picks and trading up the draft to get a better or better players.

 

[Kiama Chris]

Unpopular opinion, but I hope he stays.

Me too.

 

[Kiama Chris]

I reckon Corey Warner could give it a go. He's fast enough and looks in cracking shape. I'd also consider James Jordan as a potential option.

Corey possibly, can't see James in the role but you never know.

 

[DeathlyAccurate]

If he goes, I don’t want to see a single post from any of the anti-Hayward cheer squad members when he plays well or see any "Horse didn’t know how to use him" type comments.


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[Callipygian]

I love it. Love the idea of list/team building, figuring out gaps, projecting where we'll be in the future.

People do jump the gun a bit sometimes. I know I've lost it over not addressing clear needs before on draft night (last year was fine), though it was years in the making.

Personally, I think we've made attempts at addressing both short and long term needs in the last year (via the MSD and end of year draft/trade). Now we wait to see if the "depth" or the young kids show something throughout the year, before knowing what we need to do the most.

Amartey, or Buller, might kick on, Logan extends and then no-one is talking about KPFs anymore (personally I think we need 4, even 5 on the list since our depth rucks aren't great up forward, so there is room to replace Reid). Snell does play both ends.

What is the evidence that Snell can play forward?

We need another Nick Smith! Which of our non 1st team youngsters could potentially become the next Smooch?

Vickery. Other possible options include Konstanty and Kirk.

Lachie Rankin.

I was a fan, half in jest, half in genuine belief that he could've been a very good player if given the chance.

I'm not critical of the club for delisting him as we ultimately needed to free list spots to accommodate the trade bounty that undeniably improved our list. However in delisting him we did lose the one player outside of the best 22 who looked most capable of shutting down opposition small forwards.

Tosh! I see Rankin more as a poor man's Olly Florent than as a lockdown defender. He's a halfback who can rebound and use the ball reasonably well. He doesn't have the grit and hardness and indomitable desire to compete to flourish playing the lockdown role, let alone aspire to walking in Smooch's footsteps.

 

[Swannie0307]

I reckon Corey Warner could give it a go. He's fast enough and looks in cracking shape. I'd also consider James Jordan as a potential option.

Not sure about JJ, but yeah Corey seems to have all the right attributes but he’d need to improve his tackling.

The irony for me about Smooch was in the early days I thought he was hopeless and kept thinking how the hell he kept getting a game, but the coaches certainly knew what they were doing and stuck by him thank god