List Mgmt. 2024 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

What should we get with our first two picks as they stand

  • Best Available for both

    Votes: 22 28.6%
  • Small forward/Small Defender

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • KPD/Small Forward

    Votes: 9 11.7%
  • Mid/KPD

    Votes: 2 2.6%
  • KPD/Defender

    Votes: 17 22.1%
  • KPF/Small Forward

    Votes: 4 5.2%
  • KPF/Mid

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • KPF/Defender

    Votes: 23 29.9%

  • Total voters
    77

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Might’ve been a terrible draft but we had a free hit at one of the best out of it and chose to overlook him for some inexplicable reason

Also we got Grundy for junk picks, the trade would’ve proceeded regardless, we just would’ve used other junkier picks
Every club using Harry Hindsight intelligence would say they are guilty. Some more than others. I expect we would be guilty as charged and so would every club.
Richmond passed up Buddy. Every club has stuffed up. Picking 18 year olds on school footy form does that.
 

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We flubbed that draft. Pure and simple. No need to keep excusing the club for it.
I come back on here and read a few posts.. people are still criticising the Swans drafting. Sh*ts me to tears!

It may be a good time to remind all the Swans 'supporters'? that over the last few years, I have heard countless times (and from the AFL / Vic media!) that The Swans have the best young list in the comp
Our drafting cant be too bad? especially considering we generally have lesser picks - because our drafted players keep taking us to finals, or is that Horses fault?
 
I come back on here and read a few posts.. people are still criticising the Swans drafting. Sh*ts me to tears!

It may be a good time to remind all the Swans 'supporters'? that over the last few years, I have heard countless times (and from the AFL / Vic media!) that The Swans have the best young list in the comp
Our drafting cant be too bad? especially considering we generally have lesser picks - because our drafted players keep taking us to finals, or is that Horses fault?


A lot of drafting is decided for us when it's Academy picks
 
A lot of drafting is decided for us when it's Academy picks
most of the drafting is decided after the draft when the 'kids' get developed.
I reckon a big part of the draftees 'failing' over the last few years,, is due to them not getting senior games,, due to the b22 being stacked with youth (ie. draftees from the previous few years)
I was stoked with last years draft,, as the ruck and tall defender wouldn't expect to play for 2-3 years at best.

Very interested in who gets drafted this year.. Talls? midfield depth? small forward? athletes?
Wont be putting any money on it, as Ive no idea
 
We also seem to go in waves (planned or unplanned????)
We have a few years of successful draftees then a few without. Maybe this comes down to the development opportunities available? eg.. I reckon JMac and Rowbottom were drafted at a good time, but prob would've struggled to get a game if drafted in 2021/22
2023 - looks like a good draft (we'll see in a few years)
2024 - Academy tall defender + 3 decent picks (not good picks, but decent)
2025 - Academy looks promising.. and our draft hand might improve with young guys leaving eg Warner, Sheldrick.. who knows?

but to develop those three years together could go a long way
Maybe Im thinking too deeply about it?
 
Nop
We also seem to go in waves (planned or unplanned????)
We have a few years of successful draftees then a few without. Maybe this comes down to the development opportunities available? eg.. I reckon JMac and Rowbottom were drafted at a good time, but prob would've struggled to get a game if drafted in 2021/22
2023 - looks like a good draft (we'll see in a few years)
2024 - Academy tall defender + 3 decent picks (not good picks, but decent)
2025 - Academy looks promising.. and our draft hand might improve with young guys leaving eg Warner, Sheldrick.. who knows?

but to develop those three years together could go a long way
Maybe Im thinking too deeply about it?
Nope. Not too deeply. Lots have said we mucked up not picking Serong. They might be right but then again with what was in front of him he might have stagnated and not developed at all. A lot of this stuff is down to circumstances.
 
I come back on here and read a few posts.. people are still criticising the Swans drafting. Sh*ts me to tears!

It may be a good time to remind all the Swans 'supporters'? that over the last few years, I have heard countless times (and from the AFL / Vic media!) that The Swans have the best young list in the comp
Our drafting cant be too bad? especially considering we generally have lesser picks - because our drafted players keep taking us to finals, or is that Horses fault?
Yeah, I mean I'm allowed to criticise particular drafting. Just like I was happy with the Green and Snell selections last year, and while I was after talls at the time, I can't fault the Roberts and Sheldrick selections a year prior to the 2022 draft I was referring to.

But thank you, I appreciate the feedback from a 'supporter' such as yourself.
 

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Nope. Not too deeply. Lots have said we mucked up not picking Serong. They might be right but then again with what was in front of him he might have stagnated and not developed at all. A lot of this stuff is down to circumstances.
Felt the stuff up was picking Stephens more than not picking Serong. A skinny framed flanker type who was rank 40, in no one’s Top 10 or even 20, we pick at 5.

No one could have known for sure Serong would be the gun he was. But Stephens being a gun was a 50/1 shot at best.
 
Felt the stuff up was picking Stephens more than not picking Serong. A skinny framed flanker type who was rank 40, in no one’s Top 10 or even 20, we pick at 5.

No one could have known for sure Serong would be the gun he was. But Stephens being a gun was a 50/1 shot at best.

I think Stephens was still in some people's top 20 rankings. But I remember reading he had dropped a lot during the year due to poorer performances in the U18 championships. Though he finished with a good performance in the SANFL reserves grand final playing a bit of inside mid. Which may have convinced us to draft him.

Serong had strong performances in the U18 championships. I remember noticing him when Vic Country smashed the Allies. But don't know whether they would have predicted that he would have gone straight into the midfield at AFL level. Rather than into the forward line.


It is interesting to look back at Twomeys final ranking in 2019. Serong 4. Stephens 12. Will Gould 20. Elijah Taylor 29.
 
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One simple way to improve our drafting is to not ‘reach’ in the first round. Don’t try to be to clever in the first round. Choose a player that most people would consider to be the next best available.

After that, be as ‘clever’ as you want.

Green is a good example.
Everyone felt that he was worthy of that pick. Now he may or may not succeed, but I think everyone agrees it was a reasonable pick. That’s all I want.
 
Amazing that we would be using approximately the same number of picks as we have spare list spots. Who tipped you off?
What i said was that KB interviewed a kid from my club and told him we will only use 3 picks and at best 4 . I can go back a few weeks and find it if you like . Anymore info im happy to provide , always good to talk with you
 
Felt the stuff up was picking Stephens more than not picking Serong. A skinny framed flanker type who was rank 40, in no one’s Top 10 or even 20, we pick at 5.

No one could have known for sure Serong would be the gun he was. But Stephens being a gun was a 50/1 shot at best.

Stephens was ranked in the top 7-10 prior to the draft was hardly a reach at all. Stephens best games as a junior were as an inside he actually was drafted as an inside/out midfielder. Wasn’t as if it was Ling who was ranked 60’s and we took him first round. Was
 
Was talking to Harry Armstrongs mum last night , she said he would love to come to us , highly unlikely , but will go anywhere in Aus , just dreading being picked up by St Scum !

Richmond take him at 6 imo and that’s if Melbourne don’t at 5. Richmond could still get a very good mid at 10 (becomes 11 after the Ashcroft bid).
 
Richmond take him at 6 imo and that’s if Melbourne don’t at 5. Richmond could still get a very good mid at 10 (becomes 11 after the Ashcroft bid).
Richmond won't have 6 on draft night imo but he won't get past the 10/11 (pre-bid) section that will have Richmond and North in it.

I have Richmond giving up 6 & 11 for North's 2. So the talls start coming off the board around Saints, Melbourne Richmond and North's second picks of the night
 
Richmond won't have 6 on draft night imo but he won't get past the 10/11 (pre-bid) section that will have Richmond and North in it.

I have Richmond giving up 6 & 11 for North's 2. So the talls start coming off the board around Saints, Melbourne Richmond and North's second picks of the night

Richmond won’t give up 6 and 11, that’s the worst deal of the century. If it’s 6 then 18 is PLENTY. Richmond won’t trade up to 2. They actually don’t need to. Could get Armstrong at 6, Jagga Smith at 6. There’s little between them and FOS
 

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