Discussion 2024 General AFL Discussion

[SaintSteele9]

Swans panicked. Their ball use was terrible. Delivery inside 50 was shocking. No composure at all. Horse was outcoached and they just panicked. They lost all their swagger too.

When I look back at our season, the Lions gave us an absolute lesson. Just a completely different level.

Brisbane did this to Geelong in the second half last week too. When they get the pace of the game on their terms, they are bloody hard to stop!

 

[crawfords cat]

I'd just love us to flog a side.

Nah boring. Close Grand Finals with your team in them are an absolute adrenaline high.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Never really had much time for Oscar McInerney

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Oscar Mcinerney

Age

30

Ht

204cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.1

2star

K

4.1

2star

HB

3.9

3star

CL

1.4

4star

HO

14.3

5star

D

6.9

1star

K

4.1

2star

HB

2.7

2star

CL

1.9

4star

HO

16.4

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.6

3star

CL

0.4

3star

HO

11.2

5star

though had only really seen when we played the Lions. Always seemed to beat our rucks and looked a bit thuggish in doing so.

But this is pretty special

Well done bloke

 

[Mat Mann]

Think he will be pick 2

only because pick 1 teams don't want to screw over there own player and miss out on that media buzz of pick 1

 

[Holy Hunter Clark]

After a week of media tying themselves in knots about how the Brownlow is a midfielder award they hand the Norm Smith to the "blonde tips" kid. Starcevich won Brisbane that game in the first 40 mins by cutting off every Sydney attack. It screwed their minds.

Geez I'd love to see coaches votes...

I was at the game and couldn't agree more. Him and Harris Andrews were incredible in the first half.

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[Stan_Darsh72]

Never really had much time for Oscar McInerney though had only really seen when we played the Lions. Always seemed to beat our rucks and looked a bit thuggish in doing so.

But this is pretty special

Well done bloke

Bolke was a key part of that side and sadly got cooked before the final game, but he is happy for his teammates goes a long way of building culture.

He is getting an invite to their premiership reunions for life, and he might not have a medal but his team knows that he was a key player.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

That was an absolutely soulless gf.

 

[JG22]

The academy only gets the swans so far. Lets be fair, they're mid table without the ludicrous concessions.

 

[Nutsngum]

Exactly. Moorabbin happens regardless.

We get a CEO who had no idea how to build out a football dept.

His first move was to sack pelchen for Jamie cox ffs. That move alone set us back 5 years.

Lol no it ****ing doesnt. Moorabbin redevelopment was a vague concept passed around until Finnis came on board with actual AFL influence and made things actually happen.

And yes, im sure it was the sacking of Pelchen, the man routinely touted around here as an absolute fraud, was the reason we were set back 5 years.

 

[bergholt]

Cold Chisel played at the NRL GF about 10 years ago, they have better pre-game entertainment, it also helps that it's at night.




.

The NRL pays for grand final entertainment, while the AFL takes whatever they can get from the highest bidding record company.

 

[PoppedCorn]

What was the big announcement?

 

[Joffaboy]

Exactly. Moorabbin happens regardless.

We get a CEO who had no idea how to build out a football dept.

His first move was to sack pelchen for Jamie cox ffs. That move alone set us back 5 years.

When it comes to finances and Moorabbin, I think you should concentrate on other things, you would have very little idea on how it works, how Finnis worked with the AFL and also how he managed the debt that was out of control.
Really need to have some understanding how these things actually work, both financially and the inbred nature of the AFL and football industry.
Summers was a salesman. Like any salesman they can say anything, it take people who know what they are doing on the ground to make it happen. There were at least three levels of beaucracy, followed by another two levels of financials that the average person would know SFA about.

It's cute that some think that redevelopments like this just drop out of the sky like magic. Unfortunately in the real world where it actually needs to get done, there is no magic, just hard work and nous.

The foundations Finnis built allows the club to be in the strong financial position it is working towards under Bassatt.


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[Saints43]

When it comes to finances and Moorabbin, I think you should concentrate on other things, you would have very little idea on how it works, how Finnis worked with the AFL and also how he managed the debt that was out of control.
Really need to have some understanding how these things actually work, both financially and the inbred nature of the AFL and football industry.
Summers was a salesman. Like any salesman they can say anything, it take people who know what they are doing on the ground to make it happen. There were at least three levels of beaucracy, followed by another two levels of financials that the average person would know SFA about.

It's cute that some think that redevelopments like this just drop out of the sky like magic. Unfortunately in the real world where it actually needs to get done, there is no magic, just hard work and nous.

The foundations Finnis built allows the club to be in the strong financial position it is working towards under Bassatt.


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Finnis turned about $5M of debt into about $50M of facilities. The number of engagements he needed to form into local, state and federal governments to secure funding is amazing. While taking a play cut through covid.
His response to historical criminal issues could not have been handled better.
He did a poor job of being the head of football, but that full time executive role, wasn't his job. We didn't have the money to pay someone to do it. So he did it on top of his actual role as best he could.
How many hours would he have worked a week for St Kilda? Amazing with rate across years, most of us would have no idea of the pressure he would have been under.

He did his own job just about perfectly.

The massive football department we have now is only possible because of Finnis.

 

[The Jack]

Amazed people actually though Sydney could win with a forward line containing Amartey, McDonald and McLean. Lol.

They get carried by their 3 stars more than any other side in the comp. Once Dunkley lined up on Heeney, game was pretty much over.

 

[St Plugger]

I was at the game and couldn't agree more. Him and Harris Andrews were incredible in the first half.

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Ditto this! I was thinking along those lines at the time. Didn't someone once say that defence wins Premierships!

 

[luca77]

Finnis turned about $5M of debt into about $50M of facilities. The number of engagements he needed to form into local, state and federal governments to secure funding is amazing. While taking a play cut through covid.
His response to historical criminal issues could not have been handled better.
He did a poor job of being the head of football, but that full time executive role, wasn't his job. We didn't have the money to pay someone to do it. So he did it on top of his actual role as best he could.
How many hours would he have worked a week for St Kilda? Amazing with rate across years, most of us would have no idea of the pressure he would have been under.

He did his own job just about perfectly.

The massive football department we have now is only possible because of Finnis.

It doesn't matter what good things we do, or try to do as a club or as individuals within the club.

Unless it relates to kicking, tackling or running some punter will always pipe up with "should just focus on footy".

Never mind, in Finnis's case, how many people were employed to focus on footy so he could focus on digging us out of the enormous hole we were in.

99 percent of fans could tell you very little of what he did or didn't do anyway. They just see the W/L of that period and say well he must have sucked. How well he did or didn't set us up for future success doesn't enter their mind.

I'm no expert either in these things, but I feel like we're in a better off-field situation than I can remember. I'm grateful to those involved. Hopefully we can turn their efforts into some wins.

 

[Parkysp]

In a long list of AFL "bush league" level of ability, putting the losing coach next to the winners rooms for their press conference is next level sh*tness.

Every time you think they can't possibly do something worse they overachieve. I'm bordering on respect that they can out do themselves so often.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

In a long list of AFL "bush league" level of ability, putting the losing coach next to the winners rooms for their press conference is next level sh*tness.

Every time you think they can't possibly do something worse they overachieve. I'm bordering on respect that they can out do themselves so often.

That's the problem with the G.

The two rooms and the press conference rooms are basically all next to each other at that end on the ground

 

[Saint Ray]

Lol no it ****ing doesnt. Moorabbin redevelopment was a vague concept passed around until Finnis came on board with actual AFL influence and made things actually happen.

And yes, im sure it was the sacking of Pelchen, the man routinely touted around here as an absolute fraud, was the reason we were set back 5 years.

I disagree with you. Pelican poo was a fraud and did much harm to the Saints. Good riddance.

 

[Nutsngum]

I disagree with you. Pelican poo was a fraud and did much harm to the Saints. Good riddance.

Thats what I was saying.

 

[The Jack]

Brisbane about to get the best kid in the draft.

Again.

Equalisation working a treat.

 

[StCicatriz]

When it comes to finances and Moorabbin, I think you should concentrate on other things, you would have very little idea on how it works, how Finnis worked with the AFL and also how he managed the debt that was out of control.
Really need to have some understanding how these things actually work, both financially and the inbred nature of the AFL and football industry.
Summers was a salesman. Like any salesman they can say anything, it take people who know what they are doing on the ground to make it happen. There were at least three levels of beaucracy, followed by another two levels of financials that the average person would know SFA about.

It's cute that some think that redevelopments like this just drop out of the sky like magic. Unfortunately in the real world where it actually needs to get done, there is no magic, just hard work and nous.

The foundations Finnis built allows the club to be in the strong financial position it is working towards under Bassatt.


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You think summers who was a ceo of a large construction company that's regularly developing sites and working with multiple levels of government was just a "sales guy" but finnis who's only prior history involved a charity and the AFL PA made it all happen?

Cmon man.

The reality is something had to happen to moorabbin. It was a dilapidated site that government had to do something with. Politically things had changed in that region quite considerably and the AFL was going to be all about strengthing the clubs assets to improve its financial position.

My opinion is that there were enough external factors happening that meant it was always going to happen regardless of the CEO. The AFL needed it. Local government needed the site cleaned up and state government was in an election cycle and also needed it.

But somehow finnis comes out as the messiah here. Cmon.

 

[StCicatriz]

Finnis turned about $5M of debt into about $50M of facilities. The number of engagements he needed to form into local, state and federal governments to secure funding is amazing. While taking a play cut through covid.
His response to historical criminal issues could not have been handled better.
He did a poor job of being the head of football, but that full time executive role, wasn't his job. We didn't have the money to pay someone to do it. So he did it on top of his actual role as best he could.
How many hours would he have worked a week for St Kilda? Amazing with rate across years, most of us would have no idea of the pressure he would have been under.

He did his own job just about perfectly.

The massive football department we have now is only possible because of Finnis.

Incorrect. The football dept happens because the AFL funds it.

 

[StCicatriz]

Lol no it ****ing doesnt. Moorabbin redevelopment was a vague concept passed around until Finnis came on board with actual AFL influence and made things actually happen.

And yes, im sure it was the sacking of Pelchen, the man routinely touted around here as an absolute fraud, was the reason we were set back 5 years.

Pelchen was a fraud. Not defending pelchen. He had to go. But replacing him with Jamie cox was surprising as somehow they managed to make an even poorer appointment.

The whole reason for letting pelchen go was they wanted someone with a more pointed approach to running the football dept.

Cox comes in an literally states he knows nothing about footy so will need to lean heavily on those around him including the senior coach

 

[Joffaboy]

You think summers who was a ceo of a large construction company that's regularly developing sites and working with multiple levels of government was just a "sales guy" but finnis who's only prior history involved a charity and the AFL PA made it all happen?

Cmon man.

The reality is something had to happen to moorabbin. It was a dilapidated site that government had to do something with. Politically things had changed in that region quite considerably and the AFL was going to be all about strengthing the clubs assets to improve its financial position.

My opinion is that there were enough external factors happening that meant it was always going to happen regardless of the CEO. The AFL needed it. Local government needed the site cleaned up and state government was in an election cycle and also needed it.

But somehow finnis comes out as the messiah here. Cmon.

Got nothing to do with your opinion, it has to do with the facts of the redevelopment, the machinations of redevelopment both through tiers of govt, local and state, and the satisfaction of the AFL.
If you know anything about published financial year end papers do comparison of before and after financial positions concentrating on cash flow, and non current debt and assets.
Finnis was no messiah, that is a reach when someone has no argument. He did a very good job financially, a position caused by the footy first travesty who ousted Butters who had the finances stable.
They blew out the debt, then moved us to Seaford and consigned us to a period of financial bear insolvency. To be where we are now is actually very impressive.
As far as football goes, Finnis was ordinary, not helped by decisions like Billings, McCartin, Goddard, Dunstan, selecting Richardson as coach etc. Very ordinary.
However the financial and football needs to be separated. He stabilised the finances and the current regime is benefiting both that stability and now a decent football department, capable of long term success.

So there is no 'Come on man' about it. The financials stack up, they are in much better shape, the asset to debt ratio's would be infinitely better, and the cash flows are now manageable.
When it comes to finance, the books don't care about your feelings.

Edit: a construction company is vastly different to a membership organisation, both in operation and tax obligations. Furthermore a membership organisation that is beholden to a governing body. As someone who worked for a membership organisation for over 20 years as an accountant and being in the project team for numerous office developments in all Australian states and throughout Asia ( including communist regimes, talk about suffocating red tape), I can tell you, it is a lot of organisation, consultation, negotiation, and setback. Our CEO would not have had a clue what we did, he wanted results within budget. The President of the football club would have been the same, especially considering it was voluntary.
Finnis was put there by the AFL to do a job. He did that and supposition and opinion doesn't change the truth of the matter.

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