Rumour 2024 Hypothetical trade and FA Thread

[Strapping Young Lad]

2024 Picks



2025 Picks

 

[FB19]

Well you measure sucess in how well you jump the queue.

If you take your given draft hand every year, you get a top end player or two and hopeully rise up.

Success is how you can outpace the clubs that are doing that. The current methods:
1. Pick better players at your pick than others can do.
2. Free agents - buying them or losing them to get TOP compo picks
3. Trading players out high and in low
4. Academy players
5. Father son
6. Midseason draft.

I don't want to reinterrogate the late Clarko period but he pretty much did the opposite of all of these and had no control of father son. (Although he did get some good cheap pickups like Hendo and Scully was good for a 4th rounder).

But in the Sam era we are:
1. Drafting well by the look of it. Not too many players drafted later are doing better than the ones we've picked.
2. Amon in (tick!)
3. I think we got Ginni and Chol pretty cheap tbh. Kosi and Ryan out relatively high. O'Meara and Mitchell out was gutsy as hell. Didn't yield huge draft capital but was good.
4. Don't think we've brought any in academy players?
5. Finn, Dear and McCabe. Three on the list now. If one of these guys skyrockets it's an absolute game changer
6. Newcombe. A+

So there area things coming together.

The only trick we've missed at this point is being able to trade people out for high end trade capital. But we've at least been active in trying to make that happen. You can see what a difference it would make to bring in a free agent or trade a genuine (not potential) A grader.

Agree I think we’ve done well above average with our players in and haven’t really lost anyone of note. When they said we were hitting it hard I took that to mean getting in 1-2 more top end picks than we ended up with. My kingdom for pick purchasing!

 

[mustang]

Well you measure sucess in how well you jump the queue.

If you take your given draft hand every year, you get a top end player or two and hopeully rise up.

Success is how you can outpace the clubs that are doing that. The current methods:
1. Pick better players at your pick than others can do.
2. Free agents - buying them or losing them to get TOP compo picks
3. Trading players out high and in low
4. Academy players
5. Father son
6. Midseason draft.

I don't want to reinterrogate the late Clarko period but he pretty much did the opposite of all of these and had no control of father son. (Although he did get some good cheap pickups like Hendo and Scully was good for a 4th rounder).

But in the Sam era we are:
1. Drafting well by the look of it. Not too many players drafted later are doing better than the ones we've picked.
2. Amon in (tick!)
3. I think we got Ginni and Chol pretty cheap tbh. Kosi and Ryan out relatively high. O'Meara and Mitchell out was gutsy as hell. Didn't yield huge draft capital but was good.
4. Don't think we've brought any in academy players?
5. Finn, Dear and McCabe. Three on the list now. If one of these guys skyrockets it's an absolute game changer
6. Newcombe. A+

So there area things coming together.

The only trick we've missed at this point is being able to trade people out for high end trade capital. But we've at least been active in trying to make that happen. You can see what a difference it would make to bring in a free agent or trade a genuine (not potential) A grader.

Wouldn’t surprise me if McCabe and Dear end up being very good players, Finn I’m not sure he will make it in the end but I hope he does.

 

[Howe Amazing]

Does anyone think Jack McCrae on a half back flank or wing isn’t worth it? Not sure if out of contract or not but is only 29 and plenty of good footy in him from my point of view. If a trade should be cheap

 

[extractasam]

Does anyone think Jack McCrae on a half back flank or wing isn’t worth it? Not sure if out of contract or not but is only 29 and plenty of good footy in him from my point of view. If a trade should be cheap

Trying to think logically at 29 you would be happy to get what - 40-60 games out of him? We really don’t have genuine wingers besides Amon so it could be a potential great stopgap, but also will take games away from probably one of our high rated mids.

If we think we can challenge within the next 50 odd games then yes but otherwise I’m not sure exactly what purpose it serves us long term.

 

[Howe Amazing]

Trying to think logically at 29 you would be happy to get what - 40-60 games out of him? We really don’t have genuine wingers besides Amon so it could be a potential great stopgap, but also will take games away from probably one of our high rated mids.

If we think we can challenge within the next 50 odd games then yes but otherwise I’m not sure exactly what purpose it serves us long term.

Burgoyne came to us maybe 1 year younger. Depending who else is coming to us as well I think he is a good move. Players like him will make our younger players better as well

 

[H00t]

Does anyone think Jack McCrae on a half back flank or wing isn’t worth it? Not sure if out of contract or not but is only 29 and plenty of good footy in him from my point of view. If a trade should be cheap

Isn’t quick enough to play a wing or half back role for us.

Knows how to find the footy but isn’t going to open up defences for us. He also seems to be struggling lately.

We moved these sort of players on, not sure there’s any value in bringing one in now.

 

[earthworms]

We moved tom mitchell (who is 1 year older than macrae) on, would be a weird decision to get him. Mccrae gets a lot of the ball but isn’t very damaging with it.

 

[Platten44]

In their defence, his mother has worked there a couple years before he was drafted

So she started when he was in their academy?

 

[Bugs1977]

So she started when he was in their academy?

Edit take #3: Not all heroes wear capes

 

[mustang]

It’s will be interesting if we finish bottom 3 and there is a KPF that has risen up the ranks in his final year that could go number 1 if we will what ever we can to get that first pick seeing how badly we need a KPF

 

[HedgeFund]

It’s will be interesting if we finish bottom 3 and there is a KPF that has risen up the ranks in his final year that could go number 1 if we will what ever we can to get that first pick seeing how badly we need a KPF

Since Nick Reiwoldt in 2000, the only genuine KPFs who have gone at #1 were J. Patton and T. Boyd. Hardly great long term investments were they?

At a pinch you could argue Jack Watts and JUH were taken as 3rd tall forward types, but it’s almost always been mids.

 

[hawkheart]

Not all hero's wear capes

Come on Bugs, you're better than that.

 

[Bugs1977]

Come on Bugs, you're better than that.

Edited just for you

 

[eldorado]

Edited just for you

Edit it again!!!

 

[eaglevision]

Hey fellas, just wanted an opinion from Hawks supporters if there was interest in Tom Barrass

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Tom Barrass

Age

29

Ht

197cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

8.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

6.1

5star

T

0.9

3star

MG

158.5

3star

D

10.1

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

2.1

2star

M

5.6

5star

T

0.3

1star

MG

139.6

2star

D

11.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

0.4

3star

MG

160.0

3star

(3 years left on contract after this year) if he was open to a move with the first two years of his salary $800k/year paid for by us. If so, what draft pick(s) would you see as a fair trade assuming ladder positions remain as they are?

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Hey fellas, just wanted an opinion from Hawks supporters if there was interest in Tom Barrass (3 years left on contract after this year) if he was open to a move with the first two years of his salary $800k/year paid for by us. If so, what draft pick(s) would you see as a fair trade assuming ladder positions remain as they are?

Straight swap for DGB? Only half joking.

As good as Barrass is there is no way we would trade a top three/four pick for him. He'd be 29 by next season and doesn't fit the age demographic.

 

[eaglevision]

Straight swap for DGB? Only half joking.

As good as Barrass is there is no way we would trade a top three/four pick for him. He'd be 29 by next season and doesn't fit the age demographic.

Feel sorry for DGB with his injury this year, but hearing he’s also not the best trainer? Yeah thought he’d be a bit out of the ideal age bracket with your list’s age profile. I’d say you’ll be fighting tooth and nail to get Sam Taylor out of GWS next year just like us.

 

[Bugs1977]

Edit it again!!!

 

[tl92]

Hey fellas, just wanted an opinion from Hawks supporters if there was interest in Tom Barrass (3 years left on contract after this year) if he was open to a move with the first two years of his salary $800k/year paid for by us. If so, what draft pick(s) would you see as a fair trade assuming ladder positions remain as they are?

Cap space relief not really attractive for us. If anything we’d want a salary dump type deal. Think your proposed deal would be attractive to a contending team.

 

[FB19]

Hey fellas, just wanted an opinion from Hawks supporters if there was interest in Tom Barrass (3 years left on contract after this year) if he was open to a move with the first two years of his salary $800k/year paid for by us. If so, what draft pick(s) would you see as a fair trade assuming ladder positions remain as they are?

You guys were mad not to take the 2 x first rounders from the swans last year. That said they have their pick and one of north end of first round begging picks so take that and run.

 

[Hippster]

Taylor would be amaze balls.
I’m not keen for Smith.

 

[eaglevision]

You guys were mad not to take the 2 x first rounders from the swans last year. That said they have their pick and one of north end of first round begging picks so take that and run.

Not sure TB was keen on Sydney. I’d be pretty pissed off if it was the club that said no but I’m pretty sure it never got past TB and his management. I reckon the shinbeggars will be back at it again this year despite already being given 2 1Rs. Also expect some stupid band 1 rubbish for Zuurhar to affect your 1R after they finish last or second last. I’d absolutely take 2 1R for him this year if it’s on the table but I don’t run the club.

 

[FB19]

Not sure TB was keen on Sydney. I’d be pretty pissed off if it was the club that said no but I’m pretty sure it never got past TB and his management. I reckon the shinbeggars will be back at it again this year despite already being given 2 1Rs. Also expect some stupid band 1 rubbish for Zuurhar to affect your 1R after they finish last or second last. I’d absolutely take 2 1R for him this year if it’s on the table but I don’t run the club.

Maybe you should. As good as Harley Reid is you have so little young talent you needed to trade pick 1 for the bounty on draft night that would have been offered by north. They didn’t need lots more kids they needed relevance and clearly watching WA media he would have given them that. You needed many top 30 picks would have been a win win.

 

[tl92]

Not sure TB was keen on Sydney. I’d be pretty pissed off if it was the club that said no but I’m pretty sure it never got past TB and his management. I reckon the shinbeggars will be back at it again this year despite already being given 2 1Rs. Also expect some stupid band 1 rubbish for Zuurhar to affect your 1R after they finish last or second last. I’d absolutely take 2 1R for him this year if it’s on the table but I don’t run the club.

They’ve been given 3 first rounders and 1 second rounder (which is essentially like an end of first). Plus the McKay compo which was a joke.

 

[eaglevision]

They’ve been given 3 first rounders and 1 second rounder (which is essentially like an end of first). Plus the McKay compo which was a joke.

Exactly. The AFL cooked the books on the McKay compo and told Essendon how much they had to raise it by to ensure it got band 1. They also got a 3R that was essentially an end of 2R. Meanwhile clubs like Hawks and Eagles who are genuinely rebuilding and having our time at the bottom of the cycle after some earned success get shafted. We finished last in 2023 and our second pick was pick 30. It’s a joke. Last chance to go to Tassie or kick the Shinbeggars out, 18 clubs spreads talent too thinly as it is.