Rumour 2024 Hypothetical trade and FA Thread

[Strapping Young Lad]

2024 Picks



2025 Picks

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Barrass is in the second tier of KPD's, which sits just below the absolute elites. IMO of course.

Spoiler

Tier 1 (A+) - Weitering, Andrews, Taylor.

Tier 2 (A) - Wilkie, McGovern, Barrass, May, Lever, Jones, Pearce.

Tier 3 (B) - McCartin, Melican, Aliir, Comben, Buckley, Cox, SDK, Frost, Moore (previously Tier 2), Logue, Balta, Lobb (currently), Worrell, Murray, McKay.

Tier 4 (the rest) - Lester, Payne, Keane, Borlase, BZT, Laverde, Fox, Ratugolea, Paton, Blanck, Corr, Howard, Miller, Keath, Khamis, the lesser McGovern, Kemp, Young, Frampton, Kolo, Draper.

I understand the angst with trading out a first rounder for an older player with potentially debilitating back issues - but it's damn rare for a KPD of that calibre to become available.

The unprecedented development from round six onwards probably has us a year ahead of schedule.

And keep in mind over the last three years we have drafted - McCabe (18), Watson (19), Mackenzie (20), Weddle (20) and Ward (21), Butler (21) and Macdonald (21). And we have brought in Ginnivan (21) and D'Ambrosio (21).

That's essentially nine first round talents in three years, and all of which have big futures here (bar Butler, unfortunately).

Point is, we have most of our bases covered and have loaded up on first round talents. Yes you can really never have enough, but we can afford to roll the dice on Barrass.

 

[Iceman!]

Earlier this year when we were going poorly some posters brought up Frost leading the "reverse coleman" to round 16 last year, and when I pointed out Barrass was only 2 goals behind him there was a similar response. That Barrass was clearly better than Frost and it was obviously a different thing.

Now it seems Barrass is bad and we're perfectly okay with running it back with Frost!

Not saying I agree with them but Frost is having a career year and no one is claiming Barrass is bad, just not necessarily worth the cost.

 

[Franko Armani]

According to AFL Tables, Chol over his career has only played us 3 times for 4 goals in total.

On a side note, his record is 1 Win, 1 Draw, 1 Loss.

Ok my bad. It was 4 goals then.

 

[mustang]

Barrass is in the second tier of KPD's, which sits just below the absolute elites. IMO of course.

Spoiler

Tier 1 (A+) - Weitering, Andrews, Taylor.

Tier 2 (A) - Wilkie, McGovern, Barrass, May, Lever, Jones, Pearce.

Tier 3 (B) - McCartin, Melican, Aliir, Comben, Buckley, Cox, SDK, Frost, Moore (previously Tier 2), Logue, Balta, Lobb (currently), Worrell, Murray, McKay.

Tier 4 (the rest) - Lester, Payne, Keane, Borlase, BZT, Laverde, Fox, Ratugolea, Paton, Blanck, Corr, Howard, Miller, Keath, Khamis, the lesser McGovern, Kemp, Young, Frampton, Kolo, Draper.

I understand the angst with trading out a first rounder for an older player with potentially debilitating back issues - but it's damn rare for a KPD of that calibre to become available.

The unprecedented development from round six onwards probably has us a year ahead of schedule.

And keep in mind over the last three years we have drafted - McCabe (18), Watson (19), Mackenzie (20), Weddle (20) and Ward (21), Butler (21) and Macdonald (21). And we have brought in Ginnivan (21) and D'Ambrosio (21).

That's essentially nine first round talents in three years, and all of which have big futures here (bar Butler, unfortunately).

Point is, we have most of our bases covered and have loaded up on first round talents. Yes you can really never have enough, but we can afford to roll the dice on Barrass.

I hope we at least bring a KP at the draft to develop at BH along with McCabe.

I feel the club should always have KP forwards, Defenders and Ruckman developing on our list at BH, if they become very good once developed you use them.

IF not you trade them and start again, they hold so much value in trade equity, what may not be our standard is another clubs standard.

 

[butlers hawks]

Tyler ok so it looks like his coming, let's say Blanck has a killer pre season and starts in the pre season games killing it, as who knew all the kids would play so well this year and come of age, do we still play Barrass in the senior side with what we paid to get him even if Blanck is out performing him, I know it all hypothetical but it could happen.

If you took this approach with every player then no one would ever change clubs

There is always going to be a hypothetical that makes anything look concerning


What if Josh Gibson cant defend taller guys? What if Judd's shoulders give out? What if Garry Ablett Jrs body breaks down?

If the people in the club have said for two years we need key defenders in then they are the ones who would know

If he comes back and dominates and out performs whats the problem? play them both? trade Blanck and recoup?


I honestly dont understand why everyone is worried about bringing in a guy who has played AA level when there is a guy who was taken at number 20 in a MSD. Yes he has shown potential but so have others. I will back the club in for wanting to take the swing, we are all expecting him to come back 100% but even before his knee injury the club were trying to recruit key defenders

 

[Topiary]

I agree to a point as I still think our forward line needs attention.

We currently rely on a 19 year old phenom with fluctuating form, an uber-athletic tall that is not great overhead and at his 3rd club, a premiership veteran that is going to run out of legs at some point and an injury plagued true KPF that can't string 2 games together. Love them all and whilst we can continue to stick with this group the time will come that we need a big 195cm+ key forward that can play 18-20 games a year and kick 60 goals each season consistently. This years draft is littered with these types and whilst we may only need a 2nd rounder to get one our 1st round pick could give us the first choice. For this reason I'd like to see us use our F1 in the Barrass deal and hold onto our first pick this year.

I hope you realise the HFC knows this issue.

 

[SammyC]

Barrass is in the second tier of KPD's, which sits just below the absolute elites. IMO of course.

Spoiler

Tier 1 (A+) - Weitering, Andrews, Taylor.

Tier 2 (A) - Wilkie, McGovern, Barrass, May, Lever, Jones, Pearce.

Tier 3 (B) - McCartin, Melican, Aliir, Comben, Buckley, Cox, SDK, Frost, Moore (previously Tier 2), Logue, Balta, Lobb (currently), Worrell, Murray, McKay.

Tier 4 (the rest) - Lester, Payne, Keane, Borlase, BZT, Laverde, Fox, Ratugolea, Paton, Blanck, Corr, Howard, Miller, Keath, Khamis, the lesser McGovern, Kemp, Young, Frampton, Kolo, Draper.

I understand the angst with trading out a first rounder for an older player with potentially debilitating back issues - but it's damn rare for a KPD of that calibre to become available.

The unprecedented development from round six onwards probably has us a year ahead of schedule.

And keep in mind over the last three years we have drafted - McCabe (18), Watson (19), Mackenzie (20), Weddle (20) and Ward (21), Butler (21) and Macdonald (21). And we have brought in Ginnivan (21) and D'Ambrosio (21).

That's essentially nine first round talents in three years, and all of which have big futures here (bar Butler, unfortunately).

Point is, we have most of our bases covered and have loaded up on first round talents. Yes you can really never have enough, but we can afford to roll the dice on Barrass.

Totally agree, with one exception ... I think Barrass in a better defensive system and with more pressure on the ball coming in sits comfortably in Tier 1 with the other three you mention. Which makes every other point raised even more valid.

In my opinion Taylor is number 1, then you can raffle the other 3. Andrews looks terrific at the moment but Brisbane are flying - what would he look like in the eagles backline. Tough gig.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

One on One:

A hidden Hall and Oates gem, whose first four lines were written to describe Tom Barrass’s current frustrations at West Coast:

I’m tired of playing on the team
It seems I don’t get time out anymore
What a change (to the Hawks would be) if we set the pace face to face
No one even trying to score oh (reflecting West Coast as second worst in the comp for offence)

When the Eagles offered new contract terms Barrass said I can’t go for that. And the relationship’s only got worse since.

And now they are going to break up, just like Hall and Oates.

 

[Yardie]

I love CJ, he is a massive part of our future, and our next flag(s). Is he a part of our lineup this week? If it's a choice between he and Haz Moz, HM gets it. Offers just a little more at this point.

We can't keep CJ on the list just to make Ginni happy. Make the tough decisions............

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Tyler ok so it looks like his coming, let's say Blanck has a killer pre season and starts in the pre season games killing it, as who knew all the kids would play so well this year and come of age, do we still play Barrass in the senior side with what we paid to get him even if Blanck is out performing him, I know it all hypothetical but it could happen.

So you want our list management team to work under the presumption that every one of our players will just bloom and never recruit for deficiencies?

 

[KermitJagger]

Totally agree, with one exception ... I think Barrass in a better defensive system and with more pressure on the ball coming in sits comfortably in Tier 1 with the other three you mention. Which makes every other point raised even more valid.

In my opinion Taylor is number 1, then you can raffle the other 3. Andrews looks terrific at the moment but Brisbane are flying - what would he look like in the eagles backline. Tough gig.

I agree that Taylor is the only key defender I've seen in the past few years that can seem to kill the contest even from a massive disadvantage. He's on another level to the rest of the key defenders in the league when it comes to pure defense at the moment.

It's like watching Rance when Richmond were bad. You knew everything was gonna go wrong but at least Rance would win his contest for the day.

 

[flinchfree]

........Blanck is out performing him..........

 

[flinchfree]

Tyler ok so it looks like his coming, let's say Blanck has a killer pre season and starts in the pre season games killing it, as who knew all the kids would play so well this year and come of age, do we still play Barrass in the senior side with what we paid to get him even if Blanck is out performing him, I know it all hypothetical but it could happen.

You were high when your wrote this, right?

 

[The Big Dipper]

I hope you realise the HFC knows this issue.

No doubt, they've absolutely nailed the rebuild. The systematic approach has been enjoyable to watch and it will be interesting to see which key forward the Hawks pick up in the draft.

 

[RCAB]

Blanck 'could/probably will' be an AFL standard FB. If he does get to that level (probably 2-3 years away), he has shown no signs of being anything more than a strong lockdown defender.

Barass is PROVEN in the defensive aspects of his game and is an elite interceptor. Right now. Don't selectively quote lost 1v1s - look at the whole stats picture and the barrage of ball that has been coming in. He is in the same group as Harris Andrews, Sam Taylor & Weitering.

I don't get the angst - he is a proven A grade defender. Blanck is maybe a competent (but limited) AFL player in a couple of years.

Barass is a tier under those..no disrespect to him but those three guys are top 3.



Barass deficiencies are masked by having McGovern there. Barass likes to sit back a lot, and really hopes that balls are kicked high for interceptions. He struggles to follow his man or stop leads.

Go have a look at the game between West Coast and GWS earlier in the year. Hogan took about half a dozen marks inside 50. While he beat Hogan a handful of times, he also lost to him few times, and other times he wouldn't even track him.

Barass is currently out injured. There is a possibility he may not even be fit enough to stay on the park for us, for someone who is 29.

He's definitely an upgrade on Frost, but Frost right looks more dependable from a fitness perspective. We also don't have to give up a first round pick for Frost. A first round pick in a draft that has some gun KPF and other types. Would you give up Weddle or Day for Barass right now?

 

[Yardie]

Yep, in the threepeat years, generally Lake would mark, where Frawley mostly punched the ball, when, at times, the mark was on.
Used to be frustrating.

Ahhhhh, the classic Frawley double fist when he had separation.......

 

[HoldingThe Ball]

Key defenders sorted by 1on1 contest loss percentage
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I'm very surprised Charlie Comben is 2nd on that list.

I thought he was having an excellent year and probably the biggest improver on North Melbournes' list.

Stats eh?

 

[flinchfree]

No doubt, they've absolutely nailed the rebuild. The systematic approach has been enjoyable to watch and it will be interesting to see which key forward the Hawks pick up in the draft.

Not sure I'd hold my breath we'll take a KPF in this upcoming draft......if both Barrass and Battle make it over then every chance Weddle and Sic get some playing time forward next year.

It COULD happen we find a young key forward we like (and I myself wouldn't hate it), but I think the Club right now would be sold on Dear having a future for us in attack, Chol aint leaving, Lewis could make it back, Weddle would be sensational, McCabe might get the chance if the Backline is super settled, Scaife seems a fair prospect, and Serong would be a possibility too if he's still on the list.

Not the raging need it has seemed in recent years.

 

[LegendLewis]

Key defenders sorted by 1on1 contest loss percentage
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Hey Mr.P, what site are those stats from?

 

[Flukey!]

Blanck has shown middling results as a backman

Would he get a game ahead of Frost currently?

Blanck is 23, 24 in November.
That means he has played all his senior footy with us as a 22 year old.
Zero senior games as a 23 year old.

BTW, Frosty and he play different roles.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Barass is currently out injured. There is a possibility he may not even be fit enough to stay on the park for us, for someone who is 29.

He’s on ice so West Coast can maintain his trade value. Silly argument.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Hey Mr.P, what site are those stats from?

Wheelo Ratings

www.wheeloratings.com

 

[Snoref]

Tops if they turn around and ask for 2 first and more do we walk or are we all in, that's the real question.

That depends on what Barrass says during negotiations, if he maintains its only Hawthorn that he wants to go to then we have leverage as they wouldn't want to keep him to be honest- doesn't fit their timeline, profile etc

They will accept less if Barrass stays committed

 

[KermitJagger]

Barass is a tier under those..no disrespect to him but those three guys are top 3.

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Barass deficiencies are masked by having McGovern there. Barass likes to sit back a lot, and really hopes that balls are kicked high for interceptions. He struggles to follow his man or stop leads.

Go have a look at the game between West Coast and GWS earlier in the year. Hogan took about half a dozen marks inside 50. While he beat Hogan a handful of times, he also lost to him few times, and other times he wouldn't even track him.

Barass is currently out injured. There is a possibility he may not even be fit enough to stay on the park for us, for someone who is 29.

He's definitely an upgrade on Frost, but Frost right looks more dependable from a fitness perspective. We also don't have to give up a first round pick for Frost. A first round pick in a draft that has some gun KPF and other types. Would you give up Weddle or Day for Barass right now?

Are you talking about the game between West Coast and GWS where West Coast conceded 67 inside 50s and Jesse Hogan only kicked 2.2? The one where the stats show that Barrass didn't attend a single contested defensive 1:1?

Most of Hogan's marks in that game were either not on Barrass, or were almost impossible to defend darts on a lead where he marks them around 50m out. There was one in the goal square that was too loose by Barrass, but there were West Coast guys there to cover that just didn't go. We'd have far better defenders around him.

 

[triple treat]

Blanck has shown middling results as a backman

Would he get a game ahead of Frost currently?

My opinion is he’s shown plenty in the few games he’s played to start his career, and wouldn’t be unhappy with him standing at full back for us next year. However if we can get Barrass then you do it every day of the week, I just hope we don’t overpay ( draft pick wise) is all I’m saying.