Rumour 2024 Hypothetical trade and FA Thread

[Strapping Young Lad]

2024 Picks



2025 Picks

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I swear I read somewhere we were trying to make Taylor richest player ever. Is that still happening?!

The person that hands out the AFL ambassador payments said “hold my beer.”

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

Do like what Mackenzie has. Needs to build his tank which should happen over next couple of years. Not sure on Ward as yet.

Mackenzie has it. Poise and clean skills. He will be a star.

Agree that Ward hasnt come on quite as well for whatever reason. Still time though

 

[Bugs1977]

No.

 

[FB19]

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Agreed. Shinbeggars can’t be choosers.

 

[cama30]

Wouldn't surprise me if Nash leaves as a free agent this year!!
Having Mackenzie, Ward & Hustwaite waiting in the wings it might be a win/win I know he is a Mitchell favourite but seeing Geelong's team on Thursday the midfield is full of short people and need a bigger bodied mid when Dangerfield ain't there and there is 3 Irishmen there already wouldn't surprise me that they are trying to get him there!!

 

[Tomohawks]

Wouldn't surprise me if Nash leaves as a free agent this year!!
Having Mackenzie, Ward & Hustwaite waiting in the wings it might be a win/win I know he is a Mitchell favourite but seeing Geelong's team on Thursday the midfield is full of short people and need a bigger bodied mid when Dangerfield ain't there and there is 3 Irishmen there already wouldn't surprise me that they are trying to get him there!!

Couldn't agree more plus we'd get end of first round compensation most likely. He's not in our next premiership side for mine. I like him as a player with his size and desire but he just doesn't hurt sides offensively in any manner. If he can learn to take a contested grab I'd change my mind.

 

[matey]

Love Nash another one of Sam’s little pet projects that’s developing nicely ……. gotta remember during our last period of sustained success you need a number of players rolling through the middle. With his height, size and physicality adds a point of difference and a big reason we don’t get bullied and monstered in the middle like we use to only a couple of years ago. Hope he goes nowhere!

 

[bindas12]

Robbo says on Afl360 clubs having more control on contracts and trading players as they wish is coming…hallelujah!!!!!

 

[kenneje]

Couldn't agree more plus we'd get end of first round compensation most likely. He's not in our next premiership side for mine. I like him as a player with his size and desire but he just doesn't hurt sides offensively in any manner. If he can learn to take a contested grab I'd change my mind.

Like all hypotheticals, opinion on whether they're a net negative or positive depend on the outcomes that surround it.

If we received first round compensation, I'd view that as a net positive.
If we received end of first round compensation it's 50/50 imo.

More than likely is that we sign a free agent and get no compensation for anyone leaving us. I'd hate for us to lose Nash for nothing, i feel like he's been really important structurally in most of our good games over the last 18 months.

 

[lethalselbow]

Who does the crash and bash if we lose Nash?

#keepnash

 

[H00t]

Robbo says on Afl360 clubs having more control on contracts and trading players as they wish is coming…hallelujah!!!!!

This will last until the first player gets traded against his will.

Has the potential to backfire greatly.

 

[bindas12]

This will last until the first player gets traded against his will.

Has the potential to backfire greatly.

Isn’t it a mature model in US ? So why would it not work here?

 

[Alite]

How much do you believe his value has dropped?

Off the top of my head I'm considering Sicily, Liberatore, Petracca, Taylor Walker who tore ACL's and returned to dominate the competition.

Probably a bunch more.

The sports science and recovery programs are first class now. It still takes 12 months, but the majority of players return just as good or better than they were before.

I freely grant that an ACL injury is LIKELY not as impactful on a player’s career as it was 30 years ago.

My point is simply that we cannot assume that Bailey Smith will be the player that he was pre-injury. How is this controversial? It is common sense. Just ask the “feel good story of the AFL”.

Being clear, I’d love it if Bailey Smith was on the Hawks list in 2025. Just not at the cost of our 1st pick.

 

[kenneje]

Isn’t it a mature model in US ? So why would it not work here?

They get paid a shit load more.

Uprooting your family and support network is okay when you’re on a base salary of $2Mil USD, not so great when you’re on $150k

 

[The Chad and I]

I freely grant that an ACL injury is LIKELY not as impactful on a player’s career as it was 30 years ago.

My point is simply that we cannot assume that Bailey Smith will be the player that he was pre-injury. How is this controversial? It is common sense. Just ask the “feel good story of the AFL”.

Being clear, I’d love it if Bailey Smith was on the Hawks list in 2025. Just not at the cost of our 1st pick.

Agree 100%.
And it may well transpire that Smith's form two years ago was the high-water mark of his career.
2 down years is not something to ignore.

 

[tl92]

Like all hypotheticals, opinion on whether they're a net negative or positive depend on the outcomes that surround it.

If we received first round compensation, I'd view that as a net positive.
If we received end of first round compensation it's 50/50 imo.

More than likely is that we sign a free agent and get no compensation for anyone leaving us. I'd hate for us to lose Nash for nothing, i feel like he's been really important structurally in most of our good games over the last 18 months.

It would be a second round.

 

[FB19]

It would be a second round.

If that. McKay got band 1 at 800+ without cba increases no one’s paying nash anything like that.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Robbo says on Afl360 clubs having more control on contracts and trading players as they wish is coming…hallelujah!!!!!

I'm not sure what you're hoping for, but it would be minimal changes.

I'm of the view that if a player clearly acknowledges homesickness as the reason for their trade request then all sides in that players home state should have equal opportunity to acquire the player. That assists the club the player is leaving.
As an example, we could have traded Tyler Brockman to Fremantle if the Dockers offered us a more lucrative deal.

You won't see players being traded against their will though. It can't happen like overseas.
Society is also moving towards men and women having equal full time careers. If I'm a 28 year old AFL player with a wife and 2 kids and my partner is in a high paying job, why are people so keen to give the clubs the power to completely uproot that family dynamic with no say from the individuals?
As already stated, if the players were paid like the athletes in US sports then maybe it would be more justifiable.

 

[Billyc]

It would be a second round.

Agree. If it was first round, you’d help him pack, but it wouldn’t be. Expect he will stay

 

[Sixpence]

Agree 100%.
And it may well transpire that Smith's form two years ago was the high-water mark of his career.
2 down years is not something to ignore.

Worpel had more than 2 down years before bouncing back.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

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They can’t ask for priority picks again, when they already got 2024 PP’s last year and traded them out.

Clubs would lose their minds if they got two goes at it.

 

[Sixpence]

They can’t ask for priority picks again, when they already got 2024 PP’s last year and traded them out.

Clubs would lose their minds if they got two goes at it.

I think you underestimate how shameless the Shinbeggers are!

 

[Big Hotdog]

I think you underestimate how shameless the Shinbeggers are!

A great of example of "Never say never"

 

[HawthornHawk]

Worpel had more than 2 down years before bouncing back.

Smith is approaching the age where many powerful players who spent a fair bit of time forward earlier in their careers move into the midfield as clearance specialists. His stats will be a bit deceiving as we wouldn't be looking to play him in a role that he has played consistently with the dogs.

 

[smish]

This reads like it was written by AI

Every AFL club’s early trade state of play, who could leave and stars up for grabs

From $12m mega-deals to raids on fallen giants: Mega AFL trade state of play, and who could go

www.foxsports.com.au

HAWTHORN

The Hawks will surely look to bolster their key defensive stocks over the off-season given their deficiencies in that area of the ground, especially given Sam Frost is nearing the end of his career. Jacob Weitering was reportedly offered a monster deal by St Kilda, could the Hawks make a similar play after unsuccessfully going after Ben McKay

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Ben Mckay

Age

27

Ht

202cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

3.7

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.7

4star

MG

77.2

1star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

88.5

2star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

67.8

1star

and Esava Ratugolea

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Esava Ratugolea

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

108kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.6

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.2

4star

MG

131.6

2star

D

8.1

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

3.9

3star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.5

3star

MG

109.0

2star

D

9.2

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

133.8

3star

last year? They’ve been linked to Western Bulldogs superstar Bailey Smith who would improve their midfield mix. Blake Hardwick is a restricted free agent and could attract rival interest, especially if he keeps shining as a forward, while Denver Grainger-Barras might also benefit from a change of scenery. Decisions on triple-premiership veterans Luke Breust and Jack Gunston are yet to happen, with the pair getting closer to hanging up the boots.