List Mgmt. 2024 List Management 📃

[Stamos]

Owies would look a right twit if he left after giving Tuohy the jumper-pull celebration the other week. Only way it happens is if we screw him over....ironically like we did to Tuohy.

I don’t think it will be a case of screwing him over, or even lowballing him, although he might get higher offers to leave. Think it’s more about the uncertainty to do with the total list, and also what changes to the draft values and rules may come in.

I think there’s a good chance that one of Martin or Owies gets traded. Now people might have a pretty clear view of who that should be, but that could also be changed in 3 months time.

 

[DangerousD]

Would we consider a trade for a player like Neale-Bullen if we let Cunners go end of year and he wanted out of Goodwins 'snowy' palace? Not sure what he'd cost under contract but certainly a high quality role player for the Dees.

Surely a few will be seeking a fresh start away from the ****show thats enveloped the Dee's this year with Clarry and their medico's, Joel Smith etc.

I like him but would be strange to want out now, he only signed late last year I think, might have even been after the finals.

 

[PenskeFile]

Reckon Gold Coast may let a few go cheaply again this year. Especially if they’re bringing in Dusty.

With their academy talent, they would definitely be the place to look for talent.
My major concern with our list is our key defenders, do they have any KPP talent we could dislodge?

 

[PenskeFile]

They have enough to work with they shouldn’t be complete garbage, but they have their answer now of whether they have a list capable of contending.

Their list isn’t set in stone, they do have young and more established talent, but they didn’t get as much out of their high picks as they needed to in order to be a top side now.

I think their strategy was off.
They needed a few more years down the bottom, but you're right they didn't make the most of the picks either (McCartin instead of Petracca was an awful decision - even before the benefit of hindsight)

 

[BigBreakfast]

I did think we needed another tall defender but, this crew seems to be lighting it up. Speed and cohesion is first class and Number 1 in the comp over the last 6 weeks. Marchbank is nice depth but, I can see him wanting to play at some stage.

Weitering every gets a long term injury and we are in serious trouble.

I can see Carroll seeking greener pastures, maybe wanting to go home.

Campo brothers mitigate any fringe players cutting bait and running.

Owies isn’t going anywhere. He knows that there is plenty of food at the Charlie and Harry trough. Imagine the X factor Williams and Martin would provide forward! We can but dream. To me, Martin has one more year to keep his body right then…

Love our list!

 

[PenskeFile]

I'll put my hand up, I thought he was gone, but love how hard he has worked to embrace his role

Durdin has time to rehab, perhaps play a role this year and prepare properly for next year

Fog is a machine, probably our best tackler

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Fog is a machine, probably our best tackler

Yet many wrote him off a few years back and a certainty to delist.....unfortunately I was one of them. Had a brilliant start to his career in the navy, but went into oblivion with the back injury.

Sometimes you just have to give players a bit of time to get their bodies right, and they'll pay you back in spades. And I'm hoping that Ashton falls into that basket....prodigious talent that could blossom into anything.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Owies… Played every game this year, a starting 18 player. Carltons third leading goal kicker again with 21 goals so far…

If we let him walk, just for the sake of a list spot, then that’d be pretty bad list management…

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

I don’t think it will be a case of screwing him over, or even lowballing him, although he might get higher offers to leave. Think it’s more about the uncertainty to do with the total list, and also what changes to the draft values and rules may come in.

I think there’s a good chance that one of Martin or Owies gets traded. Now people might have a pretty clear view of who that should be, but that could also be changed in 3 months time.

If Martin happens to break down again with another lengthy injury trying to get back than it’s an easy decision, regard the bloke as a player extremely highly, but it should be a disappointing but easy decision…
Owies is improving as a player very nicely…

 

[Stamos]

If Martin happens to break down again with another lengthy injury trying to get back than it’s an easy decision, regard the bloke as a player extremely highly, but it should be a disappointing but easy decision…
Owies is improving as a player very nicely…

Yes.
Likewise, he gets back in the team and wins the Normie…

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Yet many wrote him off a few years back and a certainty to delist.....unfortunately I was one of them. Had a brilliant start to his career in the navy, but went into oblivion with the back injury.

Sometimes you just have to give players a bit of time to get their bodies right, and they'll pay you back in spades. And I'm hoping that Ashton falls into that basket....prodigious talent that could blossom into anything.

It’s a shame he’s had his ongoing injuries after such a promising start to his career, i mentioned in earlier post a while ago that he reminded me of Daniel’s from GWS in the way he can play, forgot to mention another player i also think he has the potential to play like is Moore from the hawks, both are those quick and clever small forwards types who can be involved in the scoring chains and on the end of them who can apply good pressure, good enough to be involved around stoppages…

 

[Stamos]

THE AFL is considering a change to the rules where players would be able to stay on rookie lists for up to five years. Currently players can only spend three consecutive seasons on the rookie list before needing to be upgraded to the senior list or delisted.​

But as part of discussions with clubs, the League has had support for extending the limit to five years under certain parameters in a bid to allow clubs more time to develop key-position types and ruck talents as rookies. Under a possible stipulation raised, rookies would be able to stay on the rookie list after their third year if they have not played a certain number of games at AFL level by then and again at the end of their fourth year. The rule has had support from clubs as the AFL looks at different mechanisms as part of its wide-ranging competitive balance review. – Callum Twomey

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[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Yes.
Likewise, he gets back in the team and wins the Normie…

If he can, and absolutely certainly could then happy days

 

[marcmurphy3]

Owies… Played every game this year, a starting 18 player. Carltons third leading goal kicker again with 21 goals so far…

If we let him walk, just for the sake of a list spot, then that’d be pretty bad list management…

I doubt we let him walk for a list spot. If he goes it will be about $ and nothing to do with us not valuing him or vice versa.

For us he is a 12-18 player, and we can't afford to pay him as somebody more than that. If another club offers him 5-10 player money, we can't match it. He'll need to decide what's more important.

Obviously,, I hope we keep him.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Would gladly let Owies go if he could fetch us a pretty early pick.

 

[BlueJet]

Our small forwards aren't too bad afterall

They were never that bad, their impact was limited by low frequency & quality looks.
Punish the teams that seek to double H or C, it leaves players open.
When we look to Owies etc they've shown they can hit the scoreboard & hold the defence accountable.

 

[Stamos]

They were never that bad, their impact was limited by low frequency & quality looks.

I'm not so sure about that.
It's part of the equation, but only part. I think a lot of the criticism of our smalls has been the lack of crumbing, and nailing 'small-forward goals'.

Take Fog for example, someone who I think we can all agree has been really good and was missed when he was out with the wrist. The aspect of his game that has been lacking is his kicking, which I think seems to have been more about confidence than skill level. Against the Tiges he took the snaps and nailed 3.

Owies has been getting his goals playing more like a medium forward than a small. But crumbing (and better tackling and pressure) has come into his game in the last couple of months.

I think the move of Williams forward has been a bit of a catalyst for this.
The way he has gotten his goals has both bumped the other smalls down the pecking order in terms of oppo defensive focus, but also shown an example of ways we can score.

Small forwards can't be reliant on 'quality looks', they need to be able to create goals from poor looks and chaos, and that has certainly improved recently.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

Would gladly let Owies go if he could fetch us a pretty early pick.

Nobody's paying any more than a second rounder for Owies, we're better off keeping him.

 

[bradfisher14]

Would gladly let Owies go if he could fetch us a pretty early pick.

How high are you thinking? And what would you be aiming to do with it?

My hesitance to do this would be that Owies is a valuable member of the 22/squad and the pick we get for him would most likely be eaten up by Campo bids. So unless we are certain that we can use that pick in a trade to get someone who is an upgrade on him, I wouldn't do it. Owies might not be the flashiest small forward in the game, but he is by far our best (not necessarily our most talented) right now.

 

[JJBagger]

Nobody's paying any more than a second rounder for Owies, we're better off keeping him.

Depends on the financial side. We may have our hands tied there

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Nobody's paying any more than a second rounder for Owies, we're better off keeping him.

We've got to let at least 3 go from the senior list. Carroll, Cunners and....Pitto??? ...Owies???.
Unless we somehow manufacture to transfer a player to the rookie list.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Nobody's paying any more than a second rounder for Owies, we're better off keeping him.

How high are you thinking? And what would you be aiming to do with it?

My hesitance to do this would be that Owies is a valuable member of the 22/squad and the pick we get for him would most likely be eaten up by Campo bids. So unless we are certain that we can use that pick in a trade to get someone who is an upgrade on him, I wouldn't do it. Owies might not be the flashiest small forward in the game, but he is by far our best (not necessarily our most talented) right now.

Never say never…

If Ainsworth signs, Owies is the best small forward on the market and may already be let’s be honest.

Averaging a goal and a half in 2024 and I’d say players that have averaged similar have been offered up 1st round picks.

I’m not saying he’s worth a top 10 pick, but if the demand is high and we have the best of the crop available, why wouldn’t we expect something pretty good for Owies.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

We've got to let at least 3 go from the senior list. Carroll, Cunners and....Pitto??? ...Owies???.
Unless we somehow manufacture to transfer a player to the rookie list.

West Coast will come for Carroll on the cheap. We may take the high road and let him go cheap as well, because we can't really guarantee him a spot in the midfield for the foreseeable future.

Wouldn't be shocked if someone makes a pretty decent offer for Pitto out of left field. He'd be a very handy starting ruck in half the teams in the league.

 

[CCurnow3votes]

I’d have a look at Caleb Daniel if we could get him on the cheap. Omitted again

Where would you play him?

 

[Accidental genius]

The talent/skills of our small forwards and some other players haven't changed a great deal really....

The main change is the way we play as a team and in particular the forward pressure and turnover game really allows the smaller/more mobile players to shine

For example fog is not playing that differently to how he played when we first got him - watch his highlight reel from the cats days and early on as a blue is very similar to how he plays now - like a weapon

Owies was always good and even better now with our improved game style/systems

I cant wait for Motlop to return either - I think he is going to be even more electric.

Durdin dtill young and developing.

The change in our game style and renewed energy after the Curnow camp and in recent weeks this year has been amazingly good and it is making good use of the role players.