List Mgmt. 2024 List Management 📃

[gbatman]

Media have been saying our salary cap has been tight for years but we keep signing our players and bringing in mature talent from other clubs. It's all made up to attract readers and attaching salary cap to Carlton is also another way of attracting readers. The evidence is in our actions, not assumptions from journalists.

 

[Revenant1965]

Media have been saying our salary cap has been tight for years but we keep signing our players and bringing in mature talent from other clubs. It's all made up to attract readers and attaching salary cap to Carlton is also another way of attracting readers. The evidence is in our actions, not assumptions from journalists.

Yes - given our past, plus Cook and Austin (and also B Lloyd), the one thing I'd be confident on is management of the salary cap for the now and into the future- in terms of retention of required players, plus allowing for future possibilities.
That won't mean there won't be challenging calls in the future. I think we're going to see various players some of us would like to keep, who are traded out, or who leave for 'better opportunities' (either in terms of game time, or salary).

 

[Stamos]

Does this system mean that 1st. round draft picks are contracted on minimum wages for 3 years, whilst later picks can negotiate higher salaries sooner if their form deserves it?

That’s how it is now.
The only change with my suggestion is those taken in the ND in the 4th round or later getting 1 year automatically rather than 2

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

That’s how it is now.
The only change with my suggestion is those taken in the ND in the 4th round or later getting 1 year automatically rather than 2

I don't like the idea of 18 year olds being tied to any club/part of the country for 3 years that they have no input in the decision, 2 years maximum for all sounds fairer to me.
I understand that clubs like to get a return on their investment, but I doubt that the AFLPthingy would support 3 year contracts for draftees.
It tends to favour the clubs heavily, 'like wanting their cake, and eating it also'. "We'll tie down the high draft picks, but won't take the same risk with speculating on the rest".

 

[BluStreak]

I have mentioned O'Farrell before as a Weitering type. So to have him in and getting time to develop with Weitering as his mentor would set us for a long period.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

I'm more worried about the list spots short term than I am the salary cap. Trying ti keep everyone might mean we compromise our draft chances.

 

[goreds]

I'm more worried about the list spots short term than I am the salary cap. Trying ti keep everyone might mean we compromise our draft chances.

What draft chance?

Have you seen/read how much garbage there is in this years draft??

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Media have been saying our salary cap has been tight for years but we keep signing our players and bringing in mature talent from other clubs. It's all made up to attract readers and attaching salary cap to Carlton is also another way of attracting readers. The evidence is in our actions, not assumptions from journalists.

I find it confusing tbh....a month or so ago the media were reporting that we were up to our eyeballs with Will Hayward as a FA, and now reporting that our salary cap is tighter than a fish's blurter...

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that we're holding off on a few contracts because we have a potential trade/s lined up....but we can't commit to either until the AFL come out with their proposed changes to F/S rules to see how it affects our draft capital. The classic domino effect.

 

[gbatman]

I find it confusing tbh....a month or so ago the media were reporting that we were up to our eyeballs with Will Hayward as a FA, and now reporting that our salary cap is tighter than a fish's blurter...

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that we're holding off on a few contracts because we have a potential trade/s lined up....but we can't commit to either until the AFL come out with their proposed changes to F/S rules to see how it affects our draft capital. The classic domino effect.

They have no idea, they just make it up, always have. Only we would know our salary cap situation and we will be keeping that in house.

I think there are many reasons why we would be holding off on signing players. Trades are one. Putting pressure on the player to get them to perform or take a lower salary is the other. The other reasons would be the player/manager are holding off to try and get a better deal. We also may not know who we will trade in yet, so the last few players on the list won't be signed until we have a better idea or we have done the deal, so we can sort out how our players salaries are loaded, you want to be paying 100% of your cap every year so that you can front load as much as possible which opens the cap up down the track.

Some players, we may also be seeing if their bodies hold up.

We have a strong list so it will be difficult to trim it. We may also be looking to offload contracted players, those contracts will be minor so this could effect list management.

TBH I don't think we will take a heap in the draft. I can see us only taking 3 or 4. I think we will sniff around trade wise and look to shuffle players on and off the rookie list but we aren't a team who needs to have a heap of list changes.

I think our salary cap will be managed just fine. According to the media we have had a salary cap squeeze for years, yet we don't lose anyone and we keep bringing in really good mature talent. I think we will have some room, otherwise why chase a top player? I think we are fine.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

What draft chance?

Have you seen/read how much garbage there is in this years draft??

There's garbage in every draft but it's a failure of logic to suggest there won't better prospects available and that there is no use in taking the punt. We currently have a first round draft pick that we theoretically don't need to use on the better Camporeale. We also don't know where the other one will go in the draft, we still could get a pick in in-between as well.

It would be stupid not to exploit that while we still have the chance.

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

Impossible not to like Owies and I hope we keep him...but I think it's important to keep perspective too. He's statistically near identical to last year in a better functioning team. He's also in a position of relative depth for us.

If another team offers a contract that is too rich for our blood it should be goodbye and good luck.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I don't like the idea of 18 year olds being tied to any club/part of the country for 3 years that they have no input in the decision, 2 years maximum for all sounds fairer to me.
I understand that clubs like to get a return on their investment, but I doubt that the AFLPthingy would support 3 year contracts for draftees.
It tends to favour the clubs heavily, 'like wanting their cake, and eating it also'. "We'll tie down the high draft picks, but won't take the same risk with speculating on the rest".

It is 100% their choice to nominate for the draft; if they aren’t ready to move then don’t nominate. They already have 3 year contracts for first round

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

It is 100% their choice to nominate for the draft; if they aren’t ready to move then don’t nominate. They already have 3 year contracts for first round

I didn't know 1st rounders are now tied down for 3 years.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Impossible not to like Owies and I hope we keep him...but I think it's important to keep perspective too. He's statistically near identical to last year in a better functioning team. He's also in a position of relative depth for us.

If another team offers a contract that is too rich for our blood it should be goodbye and good luck.

Was thinking the same thing. He’s not Cyril Rioli.

Was a left field pick and given a chance by the Blues. In a sense I think he owies us () and I reckon any contract north of $200k is still bloody good coin for him - even for the next 2 years and then see where he is at.

However if a team offers a lot more then let him go.


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[goreds]

There's garbage in every draft but it's a failure of logic to suggest there won't better prospects available and that there is no use in taking the punt. We currently have a first round draft pick that we theoretically don't need to use on the better Camporeale. We also don't know where the other one will go in the draft, we still could get a pick in in-between as well.

It would be stupid not to exploit that while we still have the chance.

There is NO punt.

We use our first pick on best available at Campo’s for the rest, unless a gun wants to come to us, then all bets are off…

 

[BigFrizz36]

Was thinking the same thing. He’s not Cyril Rioli.

Was a left field pick and given a chance by the Blues. In a sense I think he owies us () and I reckon any contract north of $200k is still bloody good coin for him - even for the next 2 years and then see where he is at.

However if a team offers a lot more then let him go.


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The average salary is mid $400's even taking into account the 10 or so players that wont get a senior game. That will go up next year with salary cap going up by $2mill +.

Any player who is a regular senior player will be getting at least $400k per season. Owies will probably be offered over $500k to go elsewhere. Quite frankly a $200k offer would be an insult.

 

[Coona Blues]

What draft chance?

Have you seen/read how much garbage there is in this years draft??

It is a good draft not to be picking at the pointy end IMO, but I actually think there is some great value around the under 18 teams.

Rebounding/distributing defenders.
Small forward options, both x-factor and genuine smart workers.
3rd tall forwards
Some value KPP, just have to sort the wheat from the chaff. Most slow burn, Trainor the only one at the pointy end.
Some quality wingers.
There are some quality mids, but I have trouble seeing any “greats”.
One very good ruck and a quality hybrid type.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Poster on the dogs board saying Garcia has burnt some bridges and is looking around end of year. He's a name I'd be happy looking at for cheap. Electric speed and can play a few different positions, bit chaotic in the way he plays though.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

No real videos of him at AFL level around as he's a bit of a no namer but he's had some pretty solid games this year for the Dogs from games I've watched.

 

[Stamos]

I find it confusing tbh....a month or so ago the media were reporting that we were up to our eyeballs with Will Hayward as a FA, and now reporting that our salary cap is tighter than a fish's blurter...

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that we're holding off on a few contracts because we have a potential trade/s lined up....but we can't commit to either until the AFL come out with their proposed changes to F/S rules to see how it affects our draft capital. The classic domino effect.

I figure if we got Hayward, then Martin and Owies get traded, and that’s pretty much the cap space.

Salary cap space may well be an issue in terms of re-signing Owies and Carroll, but I think list space and flexibility is probably more of an issue, especially when we’re still not sure if the AFL will make any changes for this year.

It would seem a little irresponsible to go into trade week with 33 contracted senior players, even if the plan is to keep Bot and Owies.

 

[JustOneTime]

Hopefully Austin watched closely tonight.

Really need a second KPDer of the right body weight and height.

If our 22 all run massive defensively and pressure the kicker Kemp, Mcgovern can survive. In the game where the midfield and def fwds dont have their best games then it comes to the defenders really earning their keep. Right now they cant.

We need Weitering, strong body KPDer, and Mcgovern. In a structure that works when we struggle elsewhere on field Kemp should be the understudy to Mcgovern.

The fear if Weitering leaves a game early highlights exactly the requirement. If that left Mcgovern and Kemp alone, we'd struggle to win a critical head to head game...

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Hopefully Austin watched closely tonight.

Really need a second KPDer of the right body weight and height.

If our 22 all run massive defensively and pressure the kicker Kemp, Mcgovern can survive. In the game where the midfield and def fwds dont have their best games then it comes to the defenders really earning their keep. Right now they cant.

We need Weitering, strong body KPDer, and Mcgovern. In a structure that works when we struggle elsewhere on field Kemp should be the understudy to Mcgovern.

The fear if Weitering leaves a game early highlights exactly the requirement. If that left Mcgovern and Kemp alone, we'd struggle to win a critical head to head game...

Chances of us picking up a KPD of any quality while we're already struggling for cap space is fairly low. Unless we paid massive overs for a team to take most of the contract I don't see how we get one in.

For me leg speed is still a concern across the half forward/wing line.

 

[mmhau]

Chances of us picking up a KPD of any quality while we're already struggling for cap space is fairly low. Unless we paid massive overs for a team to take most of the contract I don't see how we get one in.

For me leg speed is still a concern across the half forward/wing line.

Totally agree with you. Kemp and McGovern are both third intercepting Backman. Our forwards play critical roles and a quite well defensively but need one with speed/goal kicking the other thing we need is a midfielder that has real speed.

I know you can’t have everything in the side, but these are the glaring issues that I see

 

[JJBagger]

Totally agree with you. Kemp and McGovern are both third intercepting Backman. Our forwards play critical roles and a quite well defensively but need one with speed/goal kicking the other thing we need is a midfielder that has real speed.

I know you can’t have everything in the side, but these are the glaring issues that I see

This isn’t a trend with Kemp. Even the best defenders in the league get their pants pulled down on occasion. Think we just need to relax

 

[BlueJet]

Hopefully Austin watched closely tonight.

Really need a second KPDer of the right body weight and height.

If our 22 all run massive defensively and pressure the kicker Kemp, Mcgovern can survive. In the game where the midfield and def fwds dont have their best games then it comes to the defenders really earning their keep. Right now they cant.

We need Weitering, strong body KPDer, and Mcgovern. In a structure that works when we struggle elsewhere on field Kemp should be the understudy to Mcgovern.

The fear if Weitering leaves a game early highlights exactly the requirement. If that left Mcgovern and Kemp alone, we'd struggle to win a critical head to head game...

Yep.
We don't need an All-Aus level talent, we need someone capable of beating a big bodied opponent.
At the moment it's Weiters or bust to some degree & playing him as the gorilla tamer does limit his offensive contribution.
It's not a sexy pick up but someone like Howard (Saints) fits the bill of a depreciated asset that doesn't get bags kicked on him.