List Mgmt. 2024 List management Discussion

[Mat Mann]

This is solely for list management discussion, Trades discussion goes in the trade thread, and Draft prospect discussion goes in it's relevant thread.

Spoiler: Draft Order

Spoiler: Trade/Draft periods

Free Agency - Friday, October 4 and will run until Friday, October 11.
Trade Period - Monday, October 7 and will run until Wednesday, October 16.
National Draft - Round One - Wednesday, November 20 followed by the remaining rounds of the
National Draft - The rest - Thursday, November 21.
Rookie and Pre-Season Draft - Friday, November 22.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Membrey has a one-year offer in front of him from St Kilda (i believe) but he's weighing up interest from other clubs that might be closer to a premiership and are in need of his services more. You have him in emergencies, that would be the exact reason why he's considering his options - because he's not guaranteed best 22 next year with King, Sharman, Hammer, Keeler, Heath + potential draftees all vying for spots

I hope he stays as King is always one week away from an injury, Keeler is not ready yet and either is Heath.
We have Hammer coming back from a shoulder reco and we need to find someone to take Battles spot so we don't really have as many options as you think and PS Shoey is no where near ready for Battles spot

 

[Rogue Warrior]

Surely we can take to the bank we have lined up a mature ruckman?
No way we can go into the season with Marshall + the 2 young untried blokes as backup.
Would be interesting what Soldo would cost?

 

[The Punter]

Surely we can take to the bank we have lined up a mature ruckman?
No way we can go into the season with Marshall + the 2 young untried blokes as backup.
Would be interesting what Soldo would cost?

Campbell was a delisted free agent. There is always someone available.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

It will be hard to see Macrae play in other colours, but I wish him all the best. He is good friends with Cordy btw.

Cordy & Macrae playing in the afl together again will be awesome

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Round 1, 2025 - Revised

B.  Bice Howard Wilkie

H.B. NWM Tomlinson Sinclair

C. Macrae Brew Wilson

H.F. Butler Caminiti Henry

F. Higgins King Sharman

 Foll. Marshall Steele Jones

I/C.  Soldo, Owens, Phillipou, Windhager, Wood-sub.

Two's

B. McLennan Sch'maker Webster

H.B. Hastie Barrat Oliver

C. Hill Clark Lindsay

H.F. Garcia Cordy Hall

F. Collard Keeler Byrnes

Foll. Heath Lalor  Dow

I/C. O'Connell, Peckett, Stocker, Sandy rookie

 

[ScrappyDo]

Round 1, 2025

B.  Oliver Keeler Wilkie

H.B. NWM Caminiti Sinclair

C. Hill Brew Wilson

H.F. Butler Sharman Henry

F. Higgins King Owens

 Foll. Marshall Steele Jones

I/C.  Soldo, Phillipou, Lalor, Lindsay, Wood-sub.

Two's

B. Sch'maker Cole Webster

H.B. Hastie Barrat McLennan

C. O'Connell Clark Byrnes

H.F. Garcia Cordy Hall

F. Collard Howard  Hotton

Foll. Heath Windhager Dow

I/C. Hofman, Peckett, Stocker, Sandy rookie

Not keen on winning round 1 ay? Each to their own l suppose..

 

[CursingFijian]

Round 1, 2025 - Revised

B.  Bice Howard Wilkie

H.B. NWM Tomlinson Sinclair

C. Macrae Brew Wilson

H.F. Butler Caminiti Henry

F. Higgins King Sharman

 Foll. Marshall Steele Jones

I/C.  Soldo, Owens, Phillipou, Windhager, Wood-sub.

Two's

B. McLennan Sch'maker Webster

H.B. Hastie Barrat Oliver

C. Hill Clark Lindsay

H.F. Garcia Cordy Hall

F. Collard Keeler Byrnes

Foll. Heath Lalor  Dow

I/C. O'Connell, Peckett, Stocker, Sandy rookie

Took me ages to figure out who Brew is.

 

[austinnn]

Took me ages to figure out who Brew is.

Am I in the Matrix?

 

[stfan]

Yes me too. Seems to be happening a lot of late in posts that I can see . Forum bug?

 

[Miha]

Am I in the Matrix?View attachment 2118908

Oh good it isn’t just me

 

[Joffaboy]

Cordy & Macrae playing in the afl together again will be awesome

Bulldogs fans thought so Grand Final day 2016

 

[CaptainRisky]

Round 1, 2025

B.  Oliver Keeler Wilkie

H.B. NWM Caminiti Sinclair

C. Hill Brew Wilson

H.F. Butler Sharman Henry

F. Higgins King Owens

 Foll. Marshall Steele Jones

I/C.  Soldo, Phillipou, Lalor, Lindsay, Wood-sub.

Two's

B. Sch'maker Cole Webster

H.B. Hastie Barrat McLennan

C. O'Connell Clark Byrnes

H.F. Garcia Cordy Hall

F. Collard Howard  Hotton

Foll. Heath Windhager Dow

I/C. Hofman, Peckett, Stocker, Sandy rookie

This looks like a post that was done at 3.50 am not PM for obvious reasons

 

[snails13]

He’s got offers. Maybe off to WA?

Wants to stay in Victoria

 

[akaifu]

Round 1, 2025

B.  Oliver Keeler Wilkie

H.B. NWM Caminiti Sinclair

C. Hill Brew Wilson

H.F. Butler Sharman Henry

F. Higgins King Owens

 Foll. Marshall Steele Jones

I/C.  Soldo, Phillipou, Lalor, Lindsay, Wood-sub.

Two's

B. Sch'maker Cole Webster

H.B. Hastie Barrat McLennan

C. O'Connell Clark Byrnes

H.F. Garcia Cordy Hall

F. Collard Howard  Hotton

Foll. Heath Windhager Dow

I/C. Hofman, Peckett, Stocker, Sandy rookie

Omg Ross is that you?

 

[StFly]

As noted; those on phone should have no issue now as have removed the infringing emoji instances above.

Happy scrolling.

 

[maanco]

DEFENCE
Key/Tall Defenders

Callum Wilke (28)
Dougal Howard

20

Dougal Howard

Age

28

Ht

199cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.9

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.1

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.4

3star

MG

176.2

3star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

1.4

1star

M

4.7

4star

T

0.6

1star

MG

171.9

3star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.8

5star

MG

133.8

3star

(28)
Josh Battle (24)
Zaine Cordy

21

Zaine Cordy

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.6

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

180.4

3star

D

8.1

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

2.9

3star

T

1.9

3star

MG

180.4

3star

D

6.8

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

(27)
James Van Es (18)
Arie Schoenmaker (19)



General/Offensive Defenders
Jack Sinclair

35

Jack Sinclair

Age

29

Ht

181cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.5

4star

K

8.1

3star

HB

8.4

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

3.2

5star

MG

235.0

4star

D

15.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

5.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.0

3star

MG

376.0

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

4.2

2star

HB

7.8

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.0

4star

MG

138.2

3star

(29)
Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera (21)
Jimmy Webster

29

Jimmy Webster

Age

31

Ht

188cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.7

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.8

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

288.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

9.2

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.8

4star

(30)
Liam Stocker

14

Liam Stocker

Age

24

Ht

184cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

180.0

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.6

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

180.0

3star

(24)
Riley Bonner
Ben Paton (24)
Tom Highmore (25)
Angus Hastie (19)
Angus McLennan (21)
Liam O'Connell (21)

Comments:

• Lacking Quality Tall Key Defender, Wilke is great but is undersized.
• Dougal Howard is serviceable and still has potential to be A grade.
• NGA Key Defenders available to draft in:
  • Lennox Hofmann (190cm) NGA Potential Recruit - Projected draft range - 40 to 60
  • Adrian Cole (195cm) NGA Potential Recruit Projected draft range - 30 to 60
  • Windhager, Clark Hill can play as general defenders if required.
  • Keeler, Caminiti, Sharman could play as tall defenders if required.
• With the depth of General Defenders it appears the uncontracted Ben Paton will be delisted.

MIDFIELD
Midfielders
Jack Macrae (30)
Jack Steele

9

Jack Steele

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

8.7

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

6.8

5star

CL

3.6

5star

D

21.3

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

16.8

4star

K

5.0

2star

HB

11.8

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

6.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

(28)
Mattaes Phillipou (19)
Zak Jones

3

Zak Jones

Age

29

Ht

182cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.8

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.0

5star

CL

1.7

4star

D

19.1

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

8.6

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.1

4star

CL

4.9

5star

D

7.0

2star

K

2.8

1star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.6

4star

CL

1.0

3star

(29)
Brad Crouch

5

Brad Crouch

Age

30

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.1

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

5.5

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

20.3

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

9.1

5star

M

1.5

2star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.6

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

2.6

5star

(30) (will he retire in Febuary?)
Hunter Clark

11

Hunter Clark

Age

25

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.9

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

(25)
Marcus Windhager (21)
Paddy Dow

15

Paddy Dow

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

(25)
Seb Ross (29)
Hugo Garcia 19

Wingers / Flankers
Mason Wood

32

Mason Wood

Age

31

Ht

192cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.3

2star

D

8.3

2star

K

2.7

1star

HB

5.7

3star

M

1.7

2star

T

1.3

2star

CL

0.0

1star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.6

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.6

3star

(31)
Liam Henry (23)
Brad Hill (31)
Darcy Wilson (19)
Daniel McKenzie (26)
Ryan Byrnes

13

Ryan Byrnes

Age

23

Ht

181cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

5.0

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

3.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

D

5.0

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

0.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

5.0

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

3.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

(23)


Comments:

• In 2023 Preseason the Saints were lacking Young Developing Wingers, fast forward 12 months and we have 2 exceptional Wingers that both could move into midfield roles.
• Mattaes at 190cm looks to be the Tall Bull of a Midfielder, with a bit of silk about him that we can build around.
• Lacking explosive developing small goal kicking Midfielder.
• On paper the aging players of Marshall, Steele, Macrae, Crouch, Jones, Wood and Hill could match most premiership quality midfields for talent.

RUCK
Rowan Marshall

19

Rowan Marshall

Age

28

Ht

201cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

3.4

5star

HO

20.2

5star

D

12.9

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.6

2star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

17.8

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

7.8

5star

(28)
Tom Campbell (31)
Max Heath. (22)


Comments:

• Ruck Depth - Was not a Priority in 2023 Draft however it is proving to be an important focus this offseason with Campbell and Likely the undersized pinch hitter Hayes delisted.
• Pinch Hitters include Issac Keeler, Caminiti and Mitch Owens and the uncontracted Jack Hayes.

Forwards
Key Forwards
Max King

12

Max King

Age

24

Ht

202cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.3

2star

K

4.7

2star

HB

2.6

2star

M

2.7

3star

T

0.7

3star

G

1.4

5star

D

7.3

2star

K

4.7

2star

HB

2.6

2star

M

2.7

3star

T

0.7

1star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

2.8

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

0.6

3star

G

1.4

5star

(24)
Mitch Owens (21)
Jack Hayes (28)
Cooper Sharman (24)
Anthony Caminiti (20)
Tim Membrey (28)
Isaac Keeler (19)


Small Forward
Jack Higgins (25)
Dan Butler (27)
Lance Collard (19)

Best position unclear.
Olli Hotton
Matthew Allison


Forward Comments:

• It would appear that Jack Hayes and Olli Hotton will be delisted.
  • Could there be a small possibility that the Saints are looking to re-rookie list them at the rookie draft.
  • I am certainly hoping Jack Hayes is extended at least as a depth player.
• In 2024 Preseason I said, expect Membrey to be pushed out for the younger Key forwards, the call was one year early. But even still I did not predict a delisting.
• Key Forwards Are stacked with promising developing players.
• Expect in 2025 the forward line will be the weakest position again, with many players still seemingly in the development stage of their careers.
• Small Forward depth and competition is lacking.
• Hill, Wilson and Henry will look to add depth to the small forward/pressure role.
• Wood to Provide Tall Forward depth.

Summary Comments:

• Overall the List is unbalanced from an age and position distribution point of view but in a position to challenge in 2025.
• There appears to be a focus on balance between performance in 2025 and the future.
• Delistings of 8 players suggests moving towards the development stage.
  • Expect the club to use late picks to try and balance the list, with priority positions at the draft to be:
    • Mature key position defenders.
    • Developing Key Defenders.
    • Small Forwards
    • Mature Aged Ruck
    • Best available unless they are general defenders.