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Dude, we just had a 2 page discussion on why absolutely no one else was in the running for Bowes. Gags can cop a lot but that wasnt even remotely his fault.
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So it was a total salary cap dump? Cats didn't actually take it on? It simply vanished off the books that year.
Needs a Royal commission i think.
So - who’s our backup ruckman for 2025?
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Dude, the point I made was that gags evidently didn't even see the opportunity.
Others list managers clearly did a better job than he did- because bowes toured their facilities etc, regardless of whether he was already sewn up by the cats when he was touring other clubs or not.
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Other list managers had their time wasted by someone who was already locked in by Geelong.
What opportunity? What evidence? How do you know he wasn't right across it but like the 16 other clubs knew Geelong and GC had already done the deal?
In years to come someone will be just as revisionist about Dan Houstan.
No one outside of Geelong 'saw' the opportunity.
Steven Hocking (as AFL Footy Ops boss) had the inside knowledge of not only GC's salary cap situation but also the amount of $ that was back ended in Bowes' contract. He also knew that the AFL was going to start looking favorably at salary cap dumps.
BEFORE Hockey left the AFL Dangerfield started contacting Bowes & blowing smoke up his arse...
When Hocking did leave HQ & find himself back at Geelong, surprise surprise the Cats are the team of choice for Bowes & GC's need to dump cash from their TPP sees Geelong (with a tight cap of their own) permitted to smooth the contract over extra years.
The 'tours' of Essendon & Hawthorn were nothing more than a ruse to make the 'transaction' look legit.
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You and anyone else who is bagging the club or Gallagher about the Bowes trade are talking rubbish.
We enquired early, we were one of the interested parties but when it became obvious that is was Geelong or nowhere then didn't waste any further time on it - end of story.
Hawthorn and Essendon offered Bowes more than Geelong offered but he still went to Geelong. What does that tell you?
"AFL Media reported last week that Hawthorn, St Kilda, Geelong and Essendon were four teams keen on the trade package."
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gringo2011
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Probably should be, Dan Houston was an AA quality player that other clubs could have become involved in and didn't. Good list management is as much about selling the dream to potential players. It sounds like he was happy to go to clubs in the window. Collingwood are probably on the downhill side of that, we are on the other.
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Is this actually a fact that he colluded with the Geelong football club while working in a role for the AFL? Pretty serious allegation. Danger claims that he met him while involved with the juniors and stayed in contact with him. Other clubs still had the opportunity to go to the GC with better offers and force Geelong to pay value. They paid a FRDP for giving a player away. They could have had a similar deal that would have cost them nothing just by giving him away to a vic club.
Could never be proven but don't for one minute think that the AFL is not a boys club (Laura Kane is one of the boys) and that people at the AFL wouldn't use insider info to better their club, maybe a business deal or two between the AFL administrator and the President of the club wanting to do a deal with his club, a facilitator as you will.
Dodgy goings on all the time, Laura Kane drafts concession picks while at North, then approves them after becoming one of the boys at the AFL. Bassett whining at the B&F, his brother is an AFL commissioner, we are certain to get pick 8. When a governing body has unfettered power, this would get done all of the time. Palms are greased, outside interests are colluded between the players, basically it is the AFL deep state
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Erm, thought it was obvious.
Chito.
Acres will be traded in for 2026. But not as back up. To be the actual ruckman.
And to be a FP on the side.
Bowes should not have had the right to dictate a club.
If GC got a better offer ( less significant reaming ) from another club, they should have at least tried to push Bowes in that direction.
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Good point- will they put any faith in Heath?
If other clubs had made better offers, then they could have pretty much forced the Cats to go with the actual rate.
Between Heath and Hayes, i guess we'll battle through. ( not intended to be a pun regarding Battle who ironically did OK in the ruck once ).
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Wasn’t Membrey already gone? To the Pies?
Membrey is one that I'm actually sad about losing. He was a rock in the forward line for us when we had no-one there. One of the rare reliable kicks for goal in a side that has had atrocious accuracy for several years. I would have been fine giving him two more years, personally. He'd get his 30 or so goals, he'd give it his all defensively, very hard worker.
I hope he does well as the Pies (as much as it pains me to wish something well on the Pies).
I hope he does well as the Pies (as much as it pains me to wish something well on the Pies).
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Lachlan Blakiston - some how we just have to find a way to grab him before Geelong or WCE at the draft. Otherwise we will have to look at a young kid like Max Knobel or a DFA. https://wafl.com.au/player/lachlan-blakiston
Its a position we should have filled the year Ryder retired, but our list has been such a mess and we continually over looked available young ruckman late in draft/s. Max heath was taken as a MSD 2021, but it was obvious early he would be a long term option. I believe we were interested in Mitch Edwards last year, but he was taken a pick before Hastie. Edwards has suffered stress fractures this year so he is going to be a long term project himself at Geelong.
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Without question, this.Could never be proven but don't for one minute think that the AFL is not a boys club (Laura Kane is one of the boys) and that people at the AFL wouldn't use insider info to better their club, maybe a business deal or two between the AFL administrator and the President of the club wanting to do a deal with his club, a facilitator as you will.
Dodgy goings on all the time, Laura Kane drafts concession picks while at North, then approves them after becoming one of the boys at the AFL. Bassett whining at the B&F, his brother is an AFL commissioner, we are certain to get pick 8. When a governing body has unfettered power, this would get done all of the time. Palms are greased, outside interests are colluded between the players, basically it is the AFL deep state
Come on, where is the the regulatory body in all this?
AFL, investigate thyself.
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CursingFijian
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I feel like identifying the opportunity should fall as much into Graeme Allan's portfolio as much as Gags.
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I hope the Pies offer is basically 100% certain for the club to finish him up this way. Very disappointing (not in a 'someone has done something wrong' way, just wish it had a better end for him at the Saints).
Probably means Mitch plays most of his season next year up forward as a third tall which I'm not thrilled about either.
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