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I’m a big Sean Darcy fan but the reality is he’s getting into Dion Prestia/Tom Lynch areas at this point when it comes to his fitness and availability.
It’s a massive issue. I’m not concerned about the two rucks working together from a playing point of view. Jackson and Darcy works fine when they are fully fit.
The problem is Sean Darcy barely ever is anymore. This is 2 years now of fragmented availability and constantly carrying knocks and niggles.
A lot of people seem to be suggesting he’s not serious enough about his fitness. He’s carrying too much puppy fat etc.
I’m not so sure. I have heard he’s an excellent trainer and diligent and professional guy off the field.
Maybe he is just unlucky. Just going to be always injury prone?
There’s one of two things happening here
1. He’s not 100% committed to his lifestyle off the field to ensure he’s at maximum availability on the field.
2. He is living the perfect professional lifestyle off the field like Fyfey and Pendles and the likes, but is just injury prone.

If it’s 2, I say trade him. If it’s 1, he can obviously improve and hopefully become less injury prone.
 
Been thinking about how we get Warner in the door. Swans are desperate for a key back and it looks like they won't get Barass.

So I'd trade Brennan Cox and a pick in the mid 20's (Saints 2nd rounder) for Warner this off season.

Leaves us with Pearce, Ryan and Draper as talls. With McDonald as ready-made backup and Davies + Murphy developing. Maybe Chapman can play tall at times like he did on Cameron.

Thoughts? Half will probably love it and half hate it.

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Dockeroo said:
I’m a big Sean Darcy fan but the reality is he’s getting into Dion Prestia/Tom Lynch areas at this point when it comes to his fitness and availability.
It’s a massive issue. I’m not concerned about the two rucks working together from a playing point of view. Jackson and Darcy works fine when they are fully fit.
The problem is Sean Darcy barely ever is anymore. This is 2 years now of fragmented availability and constantly carrying knocks and niggles.
A lot of people seem to be suggesting he’s not serious enough about his fitness. He’s carrying too much puppy fat etc.
I’m not so sure. I have heard he’s an excellent trainer and diligent and professional guy off the field.
Maybe he is just unlucky. Just going to be always injury prone?
There’s one of two things happening here
1. He’s not 100% committed to his lifestyle off the field to ensure he’s at maximum availability on the field.
2. He is living the perfect professional lifestyle off the field like Fyfey and Pendles and the likes, but is just injury prone.

If it’s 2, I say trade him. If it’s 1, he can obviously improve and hopefully become less injury prone.
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Or three, he’s having a rough patch right now and it will work out.

Sandi had some rough patches too, most rucks do due to the job description. I don’t recall a massive pile on though saying he should lose weight, a thing that actually helps him ruck better.
 
Docker4eva said:
Been thinking about how we get Warner in the door. Swans are desperate for a key back and it looks like they won't get Barass.

So I'd trade Brennan Cox and a pick in the mid 20's (Saints 2nd rounder) for Warner this off season.

Leaves us with Pearce, Ryan and Draper as talls. With McDonald as ready-made backup and Davies + Murphy developing. Maybe Chapman can play tall at times like he did on Cameron.

Thoughts? Half will probably love it and half hate it.

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Hate it, you don’t trade as anybody unless they want to leave or they are trouble. Without Cox the last few weeks I recon we get belted by more.

We have heaps of picks, use them.
 
Docker4eva said:
Been thinking about how we get Warner in the door. Swans are desperate for a key back and it looks like they won't get Barass.

So I'd trade Brennan Cox and a pick in the mid 20's (Saints 2nd rounder) for Warner this off season.

Leaves us with Pearce, Ryan and Draper as talls. With McDonald as ready-made backup and Davies + Murphy developing. Maybe Chapman can play tall at times like he did on Cameron.

Thoughts? Half will probably love it and half hate it.

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Warner for Brennan Cox and a second rounder?!
Out of interest what would you value Cox on his own if we traded him?

I’m assuming it’s a lot given Sydney would want pick 8, 10 and the saints second rounder for Warner alone this year!
 
Docker4eva said:
Been thinking about how we get Warner in the door. Swans are desperate for a key back and it looks like they won't get Barass.

So I'd trade Brennan Cox and a pick in the mid 20's (Saints 2nd rounder) for Warner this off season.

Leaves us with Pearce, Ryan and Draper as talls. With McDonald as ready-made backup and Davies + Murphy developing. Maybe Chapman can play tall at times like he did on Cameron.

Thoughts? Half will probably love it and half hate it.

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As a general rule, not huge on trading good players that want to be here and are well-liked by the players. I think there's some that get floated which would look like a good idea if we were playing Monopoly or a video game. But players aren't just assets. They have emotions, and when you start forcing out players for shiny new toys, the passion and connectedness reduces.

I also just think that a backline with Pearce Cox Draper as the talls and Ryan Clark Walker Chapman as the mediums/smalls has enough rebound and defensive solidity to really go full "you shall not pass". That and Ryan is now looking vulnerable defensively against the big boys.
 
Purple Suit said:
Or three, he’s having a rough patch right now and it will work out.

Sandi had some rough patches too, most rucks do due to the job description. I don’t recall a massive pile on though saying he should lose weight, a thing that actually helps him ruck better.
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Not a pile on by any stretch.
But the fact is that Darcy is injury prone and it’s hurting the team a lot right now. Our chosen point of difference in this game plan (two ruck strategy) evolves around a player that can’t seem to play more than 12 or 14 games a season.

It’s not like he’s a back pocket than can be easily replaced. He’s arguably the most important player on the list. We won’t win shit without a fit Darcy unless we change the gameplan completely. We need to find a solution somehow.
 
As disappointing as Darcy has been I think any talk of wanting him gone is quite silly, he's arguably the best ruckman in the competition at his best, he needs to get his fitness right yes, but he along with Jackson are the best ruck duo in the competition, I'm not trading that away, both of them are still young (especially Jackson), there's no way to predict the future yet.
 
Sign until 2030 and suddenly you’re back on the trade table apparently.

Are people forgetting that the reason they’re signed so long is because they’re really good players? And that maybe the reason we’re not getting the most of them this year is because they missed a good chunk of the past year recovering from injuries and surgery?

Only a matter of time before we’re trading out Treacy because of his injuries.
 
Dockeroo said:
Not a pile on by any stretch.
But the fact is that Darcy is injury prone and it’s hurting the team a lot right now. Our chosen point of difference in this game plan (two ruck strategy) evolves around a player that can’t seem to play more than 12 or 14 games a season.

It’s not like he’s a back pocket than can be easily replaced. He’s arguably the most important player on the list. We won’t win shit without a fit Darcy unless we change the gameplan completely. We need to find a solution somehow.
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My solution is get a preseason into him. He’s also been concussed a fair bit this year, not exactly an “injury prone” out.
 

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s_wd6 said:
Sign until 2030 and suddenly you’re back on the trade table apparently.

Are people forgetting that the reason they’re signed so long is because they’re really good players? And that maybe the reason we’re not getting the most of them this year is because they missed a good chunk of the past year recovering from injuries and surgery?

Only a matter of time before we’re trading out Treacy because of his injuries.
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It's probably a good thing that the club doesn't pay attention to this discussion board.
 
Purple Suit said:
My solution is get a preseason into him. He’s also been concussed a fair bit this year, not exactly an “injury prone” out.
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Exactly, who would have thought that a lack of pre-season would effect a player's abilities on the field and not allow them to play at their best?
 
While we're at it though, I find it interesting how Darcy is unprofessional and a liability because of his injuries and unavailability but no one's having the same discussion about Cox. Both have played the same amount of games over the past two season. Go back even further to the past four seasons and Darcy has played 5 more games.

Except we actually know that Cox took the piss with his rehab for a long time, when Darcy has always been a professional
 
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Dockeroo said:
Not a pile on by any stretch.
But the fact is that Darcy is injury prone and it’s hurting the team a lot right now. Our chosen point of difference in this game plan (two ruck strategy) evolves around a player that can’t seem to play more than 12 or 14 games a season.

It’s not like he’s a back pocket than can be easily replaced. He’s arguably the most important player on the list. We won’t win shit without a fit Darcy unless we change the gameplan completely. We need to find a solution somehow.
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We've had a fair few players who've had a domino effect of injuries where you're thinking "Is this ever gonna end?" And then it ends. NOD probably the last 2 years until his latest WAFL return when he looked really good. Fyfe from mid-2021 until end of last year. Sturt for the first few years and then also this year with the knee stuff. Chapman with the hammy stuff.

Those are guys that I don't think you can really question their endeavour per se. For some, it might've just been a case of getting over the hump. For others, it might've been a case of looking at different strategies to tackle said injuries and prevent future ones.

I think your initial question is basically right of "Is this a reversible pattern or a new and irreversible normal?" And based on what we've seen, I think it's fair to have at times questioned the endeavour. But there could easily be contributing factors relating to bad strategies/short-term thinking etc that has been pursued and approved by everyone involved.
 
Do we need better wingmen??
Our gameplan of run and gun via high use of handballs from the back half (when we are in form) is hampered by having C grade guys on the wings.
We have got million dollar midfielders dishing the ball out to sharp and Banfield who are on minimum chips and not in the elite class of wingmen in the comp. Haven’t been impressed by any of our wingers in recent weeks - they are frequently in our bottom 4 or 5 players.

I would love to see what Brad Hill or someone of that talent level could offer instead of Sharp/Jom/banfield in this freo side.

Now that I mention it, I can’t think of too many premiers recently that didn’t have one elite Wingman. J Daicos, Isaac smith, even Ed Langdon. Maybe Richmond but they did have Dusty.
 
s_wd6 said:
While we're at it though, I find it interesting how Darcy is unprofessional and a liability because of his injuries and unavailability but no one's having the same discussion about Cox. Both have played the same amount of games over the past two season. Go back even further to the past four seasons and Darcy has played 5 more games.
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I find it funnier that the solution to us losing because Darcy isn’t playing is to trade him. So we can lose without an A grade ruck and hope our two zero gamers turn into another Meek.

Jackson seems to get off Scott free in these scenario’s. If he was rucking better, we would be fine. Or maybe if we actually tried one of our two backups and they performed, it would be different too.

Or if we scored a few more goals over the last few weeks the pile on wouldn’t happen.
 
Dockeroo said:
Do we need better wingmen??
Our gameplan of run and gun via high use of handballs from the back half (when we are in form) is hampered by having C grade guys on the wings.
We have got million dollar midfielders dishing the ball out to sharp and Banfield who are on minimum chips and not in the elite class of wingmen in the comp. Haven’t been impressed by any of our wingers in recent weeks - they are frequently in our bottom 4 or 5 players.

I would love to see what Brad Hill or someone of that talent level could offer instead of Sharp/Jom/banfield in this freo side.

Now that I mention it, I can’t think of too many premiers recently that didn’t have one elite Wingman. J Daicos, Isaac smith, even Ed Langdon. Maybe Richmond but they did have Dusty.
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Sharp is fine. The issue is getting the ball out to him. You can see when you are at the game that he is getting into space and presenting but is not getting the ball kicked to him. Either we are going too slow off half-back or we are trying to go up the middle and going out wide is counter productive. The way we play the wingers are not going to have the kind of impact and numbers that other teams will have.
 
Purple Suit said:
I find it funnier that the solution to us losing because Darcy isn’t playing is to trade him. So we can lose without an A grade ruck and hope our two zero gamers turn into another Meek.

Jackson seems to get off Scott free in these scenario’s. If he was rucking better, we would be fine. Or maybe if we actually tried one of our two backups and they performed, it would be different too.

Or if we scored a few more goals over the last few weeks the pile on wouldn’t happen.
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I am sick of Jackson jumping early in ruck contests and aerial contests in general. He needs to sort out his timing and stop double grabbing marks. Still young, but needs to go to the Josh Treacy school of harden the heck up!
 
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s_wd6 said:
Has NOD been playing a bit more inside in the WAFL? I feel like I remember him playing more minutes there in a couple of the games I watched.
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I think he played most of the game inside mid when he wasn't rested. Has been since his latest return from injury.
 
s_wd6 said:
While we're at it though, I find it interesting how Darcy is unprofessional and a liability because of his injuries and unavailability but no one's having the same discussion about Cox. Both have played the same amount of games over the past two season. Go back even further to the past four seasons and Darcy has played 5 more games.
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Be nice if we could get his knee right. Just seems to go from one knee injury to another.
 
Dockeroo said:
Do we need better wingmen??
Our gameplan of run and gun via high use of handballs from the back half (when we are in form) is hampered by having C grade guys on the wings.
We have got million dollar midfielders dishing the ball out to sharp and Banfield who are on minimum chips and not in the elite class of wingmen in the comp. Haven’t been impressed by any of our wingers in recent weeks - they are frequently in our bottom 4 or 5 players.

I would love to see what Brad Hill or someone of that talent level could offer instead of Sharp/Jom/banfield in this freo side.

Now that I mention it, I can’t think of too many premiers recently that didn’t have one elite Wingman. J Daicos, Isaac smith, even Ed Langdon. Maybe Richmond but they did have Dusty.
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Nick Martin
 
DragoDelph said:
So if theoretically, hasleby’s latest brainwave were to happen.

(Sign English, trade onions).

Could that give us enough for Bolton and Pickett? (Warner next year).

🤔🤔
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God that's awful. The reason Darcy going down is a problem is because, contrary to some opinion, Jackson is largely terrible in the ruck. He excels against a certain few and is basically a witches hat against the rest.

English is a witches hat against everyone in the ruck. He got toweled up by RoB on the weekend. His appeal is the around the ground stuff.
 
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