List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[FreoRicci]

Im sure his diet is fine he needs to lay off the piss.

The selection of Taberber today infuriated me. News came in as i walked through the gate and i turned to the bloke next to me. Might as wall Walk out now we aren't winning with Taberenr.

He has stolen a career, there is no way he lasts 10+ years on any other team's list

That’s extremely unfair. He has been solid, had he been fit 2019-2022. He would’ve been something.
His back has killed any longevity and robbed him of his legs.
Ross Lyon refused to play him in 2016 when he was averaging 20 disposals and 3 goals for Peel. That’s horrific. A team 0-9 and what we do ? Play Kersten in 2017.

It’s the club’s list management that robbed the team of any KPF. Choosing Tabs off the Rookie List then no one in the first round for 10 years until Amiss. That’s criminal

 

[Docker82]

Insufficient attempt to keep the ball in play is the rule I believe, certainly not deliberate out of bounds.

Which is still not how it's being umpired is it?

I think I understand how they're umpiring it tbh - Just not sure the name of the rule makes it overly easy to understand for a new fan learning the game.

Same with holding the ball tbh. Majority of holding the ball calls are actually for dropping it - i.e. exactly the opposite.

 

[DragoDelph]

Which is still not how it's being umpired is it?

I think I understand how they're umpiring it tbh - Just not sure the name of the rule makes it overly easy to understand for a new fan learning the game.

Same with holding the ball tbh. Majority of holding the ball calls are actually for dropping it - i.e. exactly the opposite.

Just make it the same as AFLW .

Last touch (possession) between the arcs.

Need to remove as many rules that have “intent” and mind reading in them.

 

[JammoMonty]

Bolton has an extra 4 years on his contract.

Watching Banfield and Switta and Emmet and Freddy not incentive enough for you?

I’d say 8 and 16 or something plus Baker for 25 is in their favour but it’s not a roasting, and it gives us a shot at Berry

It’s a monster contract. Freo can’t afford to take that on.

 

[Joao]

It’s a monster contract. Freo can’t afford to take that on.

Why is his manager pushing it in the media so hard? Must think he is a good chance to leave.

 

[s_wd6]

Why is his manager pushing it in the media so hard? Must think he is a good chance to leave.

Eagles exist

 

[dont bowl there]

Bolton is the scoring threat we need, we should be doing all we can to get him in.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Eagles exist

WC are not paying that trade price where they are at. It's Freo or nothing

 

[Joao]

Eagles exist

Cough up pick 3 at the start of a rebuild for a 26yo?

I'd be completely staggered unless the Eagles think they are a flag chance in the next 2 seasons.

 

[freocuz]

There was talk about Kossie a couple of years ago, wouldn’t mind if we checked in with his manager.


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[fnerd]

Yeah managers are generally all over teams salary caps and what’s available etc .
I doubt he’s pushing it if he doesn’t think freo can satisfy Shais needs financially.

The only caveat to that is maybe shai and his management in particular have got known the details about freos chad pursuit and how much coin is on offer but realise it’s still no certainty to happen , certainly not this year anyway and they’ve decided to make their move now and take this opportunity in the hope freo change tact and take the guaranteed option of Bolten now (as they also have the picks this year) instead of walls waiting on an answer from warners camp next year

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Something else to float in the whole "Who's the 7th defender?" debate: I'd like to see a Pearce Cox Draper Ryan Clark Chapman Walker mix next year. That's about as physical a group as you could float while still having enough skill and rebounding there. Moving Ryan down from 3rd tall is probably what we need to do judging by his play especially post-bye: his intercept play has fallen off, and the guy who earned an AA blazer taking the competition's best key fwds feels like a distant memory. Chapman can be the guy who takes that 3rd tall mantle judging by yesterday, but I like him a bit freer.

Speaking of defence, it's no secret that our score-from-stoppage differential does not match our clearance differential. Many of the teams above us in that score differential have proper defensive stoppers (generally pressure and tackle demons) who obviously have immense value defensively, but also unlock their own midfielders offensively. Willem Drew

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Willem Drew

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26

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188cm

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86kg

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15.9

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, James Rowbottom

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James Rowbottom

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24

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, since coming to Brisbane particularly Josh Dunkley

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Josh Dunkley

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27

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, when Melbourne were at their best there Jack Viney

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Jack Viney

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30

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93kg

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. Guys who are north of 6 tackles a game and at least 22 pressure acts a game. Consequently, we're talking mids whose score involvement % ranks low relative to their teammates.

Fyfe has done an admiral job doing a version of that, but from a numbers perspective he's far from the tackling type, and on the eye test once the ball leaves that telephone box area he's ****ed. We've seen this year inconsistency in impact doing that role: he did a great job on Heeney in particular, but yesterday against Danger his burst from stoppage continually put him away from Fyfe's remit of impact. Especially as our other mids (particularly Young) grow offensively, you'd want a more robust version of that in 2025.

Brayshaw on paper seems like he can be a version of that, but his score involvement % over the past few seasons has been elite. Maybe you don't see it in terms of pure goal numbers, but his score chain impact is high level. If/when you get Chad Warner

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Chad Warner

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it'd merit discussion (even then it'd be more like defence by committee), but for now you don't want him in the defensive stopper bracket. If it wasn't for the fact that role generally needs good size, Switta or Baker could be an option. Assuming we look at the current crop for that role, Raz and Johnson are probably the 2 most capable of being that next year. Hopefully that's what we're grooming 1 of them for.

 

[malpaso]

Bolton is the scoring threat we need, we should be doing all we can to get him in.

Exactly, he takes pressure and attention off Treacy/Amiss/Jackson. Bolton, Baker and Switta to round out that forward line and good luck..

 

[apuchar]

Not sure where the Baker being good in the forwardline has come from. Barely got a touch against us. Isn't an instinctive goal kicker. Ok kicking into the forwardline as long as it is a short kick. That's about it from what i have seen

 

[gaskin]

Ok kicking into the forwardline as long as it is a short kick.

I am good with that. We have too many players willing to just bomb it in willy nilly rather than lower their eyes and look for a lead.

 

[apuchar]

I am good with that. We have too many players willing to just bomb it in willy nilly rather than lower their eyes and look for a lead.

Surely we have resting midfielders who are just as good at doing that without wasting a spot in our 22.

 

[malpaso]

Not sure where the Baker being good in the forwardline has come from. Barely got a touch against us. Isn't an instinctive goal kicker. Ok kicking into the forwardline as long as it is a short kick. That's about it from what i have seen

He isn't playing in defense or midfield. I don't pay any attention to his stats this year, playing in a team that gets beaten every week.

 

[malpaso]

Surely we have resting midfielders who are just as good at doing that without wasting a spot in our 22.

No we don't.

 

[gaskin]

Surely we have resting midfielders who are just as good at doing that without wasting a spot in our 22.

The only one we have that is good at doing that on a regular basis is Young.

 

[apuchar]

He isn't playing in defense or midfield. I don't pay any attention to his stats this year, playing in a team that gets beaten every week.

Doesn't change the fact that he doesn't get involved when it goes down there and he isn't a good snap shot. We need classy goal kickers who have a defensive side. Not another defensive forward who doesn't kick goals.

 

[apuchar]

No we don't.

Serong, Young and Johnson.

 

[apuchar]

The only one we have that is good at doing that on a regular basis is Young.

And now Serong and Johnson is starting to do it.

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

Interesting looking back that when we bought Jackson in we could have traded Darcy & picked up some handy mid/forward talent and played Meek.

Hindsight & all but with what Knobel/Reidy are showing we could still do it & pay for Bolton/Baker & keep a sweet draft hand.

We didn't know how good Meek was because he never played and had the chance to develop playing AFL like he has at Hawthorn. Selection policy has been a joke honestly. Continually playing older B graders instead of getting games into the young talented kids who are the future. And where has it got us? Going to miss finals again anyway most likely and the likes of Erasmus get stuck at Peel. Ras should of played 50 full games by now and he'd be a much better player for it. Same goes for Sturt who was constantly dropped back to Peel. You need to fast track a rebuild by identifying the future and getting games into them ASAP. Where does playing the likes JOM and Aish or Colyer ahead of them get us? The last 2 years have been wasted. Even playing Emmett over Simpson is the wrong move. Again short term pain but Cooper has real class and needs to be playing to learn at the level. Emmett just tries his guts out.

 

[go_the_dockers]

JOM and Aish or Colyer ahead of them get us? The last 2 years have been wasted

The worst thing is we traded all 3 in

 

[Footskill]

The worst thing is we traded all 3 in

Aish is fine. Not sure what happened to him this year.