List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[Heave Ho Bro]

Aish is fine. Not sure what happened to him this year.

Aish has been good for us but he isn't the future. Just a stopgap player who keeps a young guy who needs games out of the team. If we had made finals the last two years you could justify it but we're in no mans land. No finals. Shit picks and very little experience for the young talented guys we have on the list at Peel. If not for Cox and McDonald going down injured would we have seen Draper this year? And look how he's coming along with a chance to play.

Can only develop so much at the lower levels. If the coaches are waiting for these guys to become elite AFL standard playing in the WAFL they are clueless.

 

[Taylor]

Aish has been good for us but he isn't the future. Just a stopgap player who keeps a young guy who needs games out of the team. If we had made finals the last two years you could justify it but we're in no mans land. No finals. Shit picks and very little experience for the young talented guys we have on the list at Peel. If not for Cox and McDonald going down injured would we have seen Draper this year? And look how he's coming along with a chance to play.

Can only develop so much at the lower levels. If the coaches are waiting for these guys to become elite AFL standard playing in the WAFL they are clueless.

Well neither is Nathan Fyfe and that's in a position we have great depth, or Michael Walters in one we don't.

Banfield and Aish are both utilities. I'd be watching for Aish to play forward next year if Banfield leaves as a free agent.

 

[rgauci]

Aish has been good for us but he isn't the future. Just a stopgap player who keeps a young guy who needs games out of the team. If we had made finals the last two years you could justify it but we're in no mans land. No finals. Shit picks and very little experience for the young talented guys we have on the list at Peel. If not for Cox and McDonald going down injured would we have seen Draper this year? And look how he's coming along with a chance to play.

Can only develop so much at the lower levels. If the coaches are waiting for these guys to become elite AFL standard playing in the WAFL they are clueless.

Could say exactly the same about Jaegar. Has stagnated Brodie and Erasmus behind him for what? 2 years of mediocrity sprinkled with 1-3 good games. With 2 years still to come with diminishing returns.

Also ‘driving standards’ my ass. We’ve had more players than ever show up out of shape.

 

[Redgum]

I have a really good feeling about Max Knobel ,just turned 20 and 206cm tall ,the second coming of Aaron Sandilands

Aaron Sandilands

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41

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211cm

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118kg

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12.7

3star

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31.4

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D

5.4

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3.4

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2.0

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13.6

5star

,make no mistake. This guy will dominate in the ruck and is a very good player around the ground. As far as I'm concerned his ceiling is enormous way ahead of Reidy who I think should be traded or delisted.
Problem with Darcy is his body he can't get on the park ,in the 8 years he's been in the team ,he only manages 57% on the field so 50% of the time he absent ,that's not sustainable for our number one ruckman and at 26 years of age ,it is not going to improve anytime soon,why we signed him until 2030 baffles me. He has a problem keeping his weight down and apart from 2021/22 when he managed to be on the park more times then usual ,he was really really good but of late ,because of his body and fitness ,is finding it difficult to get to that level again.
I hope we offer Knobel and attractive incentive to stay with us for the future,step in when Darcy is injured or even play them in tandem and utilise Jackson a lot better elsewhere ,maybe take over from Fyfe as a fulltime midfielder and resting in the forward line,he has the attributes for it.

 

[fnerd]

Knobel is the future

 

[Footskill]

Well neither is Nathan Fyfe and that's in a position we have great depth, or Michael Walters in one we don't.

Banfield and Aish are both utilities. I'd be watching for Aish to play forward next year if Banfield leaves as a free agent.

Not sure I can see Aish playing forward.. have we ever seen him in that position? What skillset have you seen that would make him a fwd

 

[Taylor]

Not sure I can see Aish playing forward.. have we ever seen him in that position? What skillset have you seen that would make him a fwd

I think back in 2021/2022 he was our highest retention inside fifty kick, that tidy moving on the ball for a mark i50.

 

[Drizzy]

So this week Aisha will probably come back In I’d rather noddy to come in instead, might also rush JT back In this week as we lost to the cats

Sean and Sonny should be fine to come straight in

 

[Docker82]

The worst thing is we traded all 3 in

This is why I don’t get when people say we’ve been good at trading in players for cheap. Apart from maybe Aish they’ve all done about as much as could be expected from the price paid - pay ** all and expect ** all.

I’ll go back until 2016 - these are the players traded in for value less than a second rounder:

• McCarthy
• Hamling
• Kersten
• Matera
• Lobb*
• Conca
• Colyer
• Aish
• Corbett
• JOM

I’ve put an * next to Lobb as whilst the points value index doesn’t value what we gave up I think it’s BS and we actually paid second round value.

McCarthy, Hamling, Aish and even JOM have had enough moments that you almost think about whether it was worth it. They are (excluding Lobb) the four most expensive trades there.

You get what you pay for when trading. When we’ve paid a bit more we’ve seen players than provide a bit more of a contribution. I could argue with you about some but I think we can agree Hogan didn’t work - the rest of the more expensive trades you could argue whether the price was right but they’ve played AFL-standard footy most of their time at the club.

From memory all the cheap trades were offered at least three years and a lot of the time the third year was a total waste of time.

This year where we’ll have **** all list spots to work with and we have good picks cheap trades should not be considered IMO. I’m happy to trade for genuine best 22 players with 5+ years left - otherwise said players can GAGF as I’d rather use the picks.

 

[Joao]

Yeah managers are generally all over teams salary caps and what’s available etc .
I doubt he’s pushing it if he doesn’t think freo can satisfy Shais needs financially.

The only caveat to that is maybe shai and his management in particular have got known the details about freos chad pursuit and how much coin is on offer but realise it’s still no certainty to happen , certainly not this year anyway and they’ve decided to make their move now and take this opportunity in the hope freo change tact and take the guaranteed option of Bolten now (as they also have the picks this year) instead of walls waiting on an answer from warners camp next year

Possibly, but I have a hard time believing that Bolton isn't more likely to go than stay given the messaging from his camp and the stuff Daniels has said. Given Daniels gets his stuff from over here, I can't not conclude that Freo thinks this happens.

I also don't believe we'd give up on Chad if we've been tracking him since his draft.

And then it sounds recently like Baker is heading here.

Something doesn't add up. Either we have an absolute mountain of cap space or there are some other shenanigans about to take place.

 

[wakojako]

I have a really good feeling about Max Knobel ,just turned 20 and 206cm tall ,the second coming of Aaron Sandilands,make no mistake. This guy will dominate in the ruck and is a very good player around the ground. As far as I'm concerned his ceiling is enormous way ahead of Reidy who I think should be traded or delisted.
Problem with Darcy is his body he can't get on the park ,in the 8 years he's been in the team ,he only manages 57% on the field so 50% of the time he absent ,that's not sustainable for our number one ruckman and at 26 years of age ,it is not going to improve anytime soon,why we signed him until 2030 baffles me. He has a problem keeping his weight down and apart from 2021/22 when he managed to be on the park more times then usual ,he was really really good but of late ,because of his body and fitness ,is finding it difficult to get to that level again.
I hope we offer Knobel and attractive incentive to stay with us for the future,step in when Darcy is injured or even play them in tandem and utilise Jackson a lot better elsewhere ,maybe take over from Fyfe as a fulltime midfielder and resting in the forward line,he has the attributes for it.

The past fee games I've come to the same conclusion as well. I think Walls found a hidden gem with him and we need to keep him. The way he effortlessly kicked a goal outside 50 after the siren was awesome to watch.

 

[wakojako]

Daniel Curtin tonight in game 5 of his career:
11 disposals (7 contested)
82% disposal efficiency
2.0 Goals
3 Clearances

He is developing nicely especially if you look at his SANFL numbers. It's a shame he wants to return to WA (if the rumours are true) because I was bullish on him in his draft year. Can't fault us choosing to pursue Bolton and Warner though.

 

[Lach72]

Bolton 2.0 from 11.

Baker didn’t play as he was concussed in training this week. And I think he misses next week too because it happens.

 

[blue shark]

Robert Murphy

Robert Murphy

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42

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17.8

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5.4

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is moving back to Victoria.
At least one change for next year.

 

[Ge3ks]

Robert Murphy is moving back to Victoria.
At least one change for next year.

Oh great, now who is gonna light the incense and lead the transcendental meditation sessions? Frick!

 

[gaskin]

Oh great, now who is gonna light the incense and lead the transcendental meditation sessions? Frick!

Fyfe. He seems like he is into that sort of thing.

 

[Joao]

Oh great, now who is gonna light the incense and lead the transcendental meditation sessions? Frick!

I've got a mate who loves interpretive dance (NTTAWTT), maybe he could take over? Massive Swans fan though.

 

[fnerd]

Oh great, now who is gonna light the incense and lead the transcendental meditation sessions? Frick!

See if kirky wants to come back?

 

[Midnite65]

Aish has been good for us but he isn't the future. Just a stopgap player who keeps a young guy who needs games out of the team. If we had made finals the last two years you could justify it but we're in no mans land. No finals. Shit picks and very little experience for the young talented guys we have on the list at Peel. If not for Cox and McDonald going down injured would we have seen Draper this year? And look how he's coming along with a chance to play.

Can only develop so much at the lower levels. If the coaches are waiting for these guys to become elite AFL standard playing in the WAFL they are clueless.

Its the coaching that is causing us the issues with Banfield, Aish, JOM, etc as they are being used as stop gaps with their roles changing from week to week. They are never able to settle into the midfield or back 6 or forward line as they keep getting moved around.

 

[Midnite65]

Daniel Curtin tonight in game 5 of his career:
11 disposals (7 contested)
82% disposal efficiency
2.0 Goals
3 Clearances

He is developing nicely especially if you look at his SANFL numbers. It's a shame he wants to return to WA (if the rumours are true) because I was bullish on him in his draft year. Can't fault us choosing to pursue Bolton and Warner though.

The Crows have been using him terribly as the sub with very little game time or not letting him settle in the back 6

 

[Midnite65]

Oh great, now who is gonna light the incense and lead the transcendental meditation sessions? Frick!

Raygun?

 

[Swiggy]

Daniel Curtin tonight in game 5 of his career:
11 disposals (7 contested)
82% disposal efficiency
2.0 Goals
3 Clearances

He is developing nicely especially if you look at his SANFL numbers. It's a shame he wants to return to WA (if the rumours are true) because I was bullish on him in his draft year. Can't fault us choosing to pursue Bolton and Warner though.

Wasn’t the rumour just some random caller into SEN?

Don’t get me wrong he’d be a great get

 

[FD2646]

Can't believe we actually need another elite 1v1 defender more than anything. Pearce and Walker aren't enough with Ryan going backwards. Seriously hard words need to be had with Ryan as well as Darcy. Strict weight and skinfold goals for both to reach over off-season.

Do you have any confidence JL will have these hard conversations.....I have none.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

This is why I don’t get when people say we’ve been good at trading in players for cheap. Apart from maybe Aish they’ve all done about as much as could be expected from the price paid - pay ** all and expect ** all.

I’ll go back until 2016 - these are the players traded in for value less than a second rounder:

• McCarthy
• Hamling
• Kersten
• Matera
• Lobb*
• Conca
• Colyer
• Aish
• Corbett
• JOM

I’ve put an * next to Lobb as whilst the points value index doesn’t value what we gave up I think it’s BS and we actually paid second round value.

McCarthy, Hamling, Aish and even JOM have had enough moments that you almost think about whether it was worth it. They are (excluding Lobb) the four most expensive trades there.

You get what you pay for when trading. When we’ve paid a bit more we’ve seen players than provide a bit more of a contribution. I could argue with you about some but I think we can agree Hogan didn’t work - the rest of the more expensive trades you could argue whether the price was right but they’ve played AFL-standard footy most of their time at the club.

From memory all the cheap trades were offered at least three years and a lot of the time the third year was a total waste of time.

This year where we’ll have **** all list spots to work with and we have good picks cheap trades should not be considered IMO. I’m happy to trade for genuine best 22 players with 5+ years left - otherwise said players can GAGF as I’d rather use the picks.

Acres goes in that list too you'd assume - trade value is hidden because it was in the Brad Hill trade, but I think it's safe to say it fits that bill. Only thing wrong with that trade is that we didn't keep the bloke.

I think that collection is more of a mixed bag than you're making it out to be. I'd generally divide them btwn "players who were brought in with a specific and realistic purpose in mind that adds value to the team" (Hamling, Aish, Acres, Lobb, Colyer (speed), debatably Conca coz leadership, debatably JOM coz leadership and actually ok at football), the "we can fix you" types (McCarthy, Matera) and the "aight wtf did you expect" (Kersten, Corbett). To me, when we've actually brought in players to fit a proper purpose, they've at least done okay: they either fulfilled their purpose or were on their way to doing so before other stuff interfered (for Hamling specifically his foot exploded).

I know the focus was trades (though Conca was FA), but Sharp specifically pretty much belongs in that group. It wasn't a Voss situation where we only gave him a chance through SSP and he knocked the door down or an Oscar McDonald who had a year in VFL btwn teams. His contract ran out, Dimma actually wanted him to stay but he said no, so he was "delisted" and basically immediately signed with us. That's a player we picked up on the cheap identifying what he could bring to the team, and it has worked out.

To me, getting players on the cheap from other clubs is like any tool in your toolbox: it can do the job it's suited for. Using Joe Richards as an example because he's been linked with us, fits that bill, and got disrespected this past week with how he was "used" as sub. Can I see a world where we come to the conclusion he's a better option than anything else we can use that list spot and draft capital on? To me, the answer is yes.

Right now, it looks like there will be a level of list spot crunch as you said, which makes those options less palatable. But how often do these things change? Just last year JL talked about how in 2022 we turned over like 25% of our list and we didn't want a repeat of that...only to pretty much get a repeat of that.

 

[millsy]

Yeah as the season has gone on, Baker taking that 7th defender role is looking steadily more appealing.

I used to not like it coz it felt like we had more pressing needs and the package of attributes he brings as a defender are strange. Short so the 1 on 1 defence is a problem, not a notable interceptor for the same reasons, not a high level rebounder. But the toughness, the harrying, the ground balls won...it's what Aish is supposed to bring but on steroids.

If it's not him (either coz he goes West Coast or we choose another position for him), possible hot take: I wouldn't mind seeing us turn NOD into a rebounding defender. I believe it was his original position, he's got the attributes for it, and his intercept play since returning to the WAFL has been sneaky good.

I'm still stuck where you were. Ideally any upgrades to our back third bring high level intercept or rebound. I'd almost rather embrace Draper and try build Chapman as our best option to intercept and rebound (recent form acknowledged).

Baker is quality but his real skill is almost his versatility over being A grade in any one role.

Assume if he's playing back third he replaces Wagner's role? Happy with the upgrade etc, but you'd think given the price its not the priority?