List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets

[Docker82]

I like the idea of Max Beattie running around developing at Peel, I think we are a little top heavy, and will be more so if we go Voss. We've seen what Voss brings, let's give another small forward a go to see if he's got AFL traits.

Have we though?

Voss just won a VFL Best and Fairest at 20 years old but was never given a chance at AFL level. We've obviously seen something in him if we're having another look at him.

Got a feeling the club still think we're a mature KPF/tall short in the absence of Corbett and Kuek - we've essentially replaced them both with an 18 year old rookie and two KPDs that can play forward a bit. I don't necessarily agree with this but it's what it looks like the club thinks from my perspective.

We should really be trialling more than one small forward though imo.

 

[Taylor]

What if Voss is only tall for a small role, not a tall to play a tall role? Tom Lynch sort of thing, from Adelaide. In-betweener size role from a full size player.

 

[Ge3ks]

We should really be trialling more than one small forward though imo.

Is Jack Delean really a small forward? Listed as 181cm but he towers over Cooper Simpson who is also listed as 181cm. So what is the threshold for a small forwards, because it seems Delean has had a growth spurt.

 

[pK75]

Is Jack Delean really a small forward? Listed as 181cm but he towers over Cooper Simpson who is also listed as 181cm. So what is the threshold for a small forwards, because it seems Delean has had a growth spurt.

View attachment 1860780

All the heights look wrong in that photo, no way Murphy is 19cm taller than Simpson either. Maybe they are on uneven ground and Delean is on the high side of the slope?

 

[Docker82]

Is Jack Delean really a small forward? Listed as 181cm but he towers over Cooper Simpson who is also listed as 181cm. So what is the threshold for a small forwards, because it seems Delean has had a growth spurt.

View attachment 1860780

My comment was based around Beattie and assuming we’re allowed to trial four players in the SPP.

This board seems to be getting excited about Beattie a bit but he seems an undersized forward/mid rather than genuine small forward to me. I’d love to see another genuine small/medium forward on the list.

 

[Retzlaff]

I am reasonably confident he will stay. I'm more worried about which forward will leave considering we drafted another KPF and are supposedly going for Macca.

The lure of the Melbourne fashion industry could be too much for Amiss

 

[Tonga Bob]

Sam Van Rooyen coming to train with us too

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I think when considering list balance, you need to think of as the following

• Corbett is essentially delisted
• Kuek is very close to be being in the same boat
• Tabs has 1 or 2 years left as depth
• Simpson was drafted as a forward first, we spent pick 35 and 60 on "small" forwards.
• Draper is not a KPD and never will be, he's a 3rd tall at best.

Bold (best 22ish)
Italics (only one position)

KPDs: Pearce, Cox, Ryan (if needed), McDonald, Davies, Murphy
Intercept / general defenders: Chapman, Ryan, Young (if needed), Hughes (would put in double italics if I could), Draper
Running / small defenders: Clark, Walker, Wagner, Aish, Worner, Williams (I think they'll prioritise getting him here at Peel)
Wing: Noddy, Aish, Sharp, Johnson, Stanley, Chapman, Frederick, Erasmus, Williams
Inside mid: JOM, Fyfe, Serong, Johnson, Jackson, Erasmus, Brodie
Outside / receiving mid: Brayshaw, Johnson, Young, Switta, Simpson
Ruck: Darcy, Jackson, Reidy, Knobel
Small forward: Switta, Walters, Emmett, Frederick, Delean, Simpson
Medium forward / general forward: Sturt, Emmett Fyfe, Treacy, Frederick, JOM, Banfield
KPF: Amiss, Treacy, Jackson, Tabs, Cox, Father of Thor

Biggest questions I get doing this list is I think we are a bit short on pace all over and I think our squad has a crazy amount of flexibility which adds more depth in positions than we think (you just shuffle deck chairs).

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I think when considering list balance, you need to think of as the following

• Corbett is essentially delisted
• Kuek is very close to be being in the same boat
• Tabs has 1 or 2 years left as depth
• Simpson was drafted as a forward first, we spent pick 35 and 60 on "small" forwards.
• Draper is not a KPD and never will be, he's a 3rd tall at best.

Bold (best 22ish)
Italics (only one position)

KPDs: Pearce, Cox, Ryan (if needed), McDonald, Davies, Murphy
Intercept / general defenders: Chapman, Ryan, Young (if needed), Hughes (would put in double italics if I could), Draper
Running / small defenders: Clark, Walker, Wagner, Aish, Worner, Williams (I think they'll prioritise getting him here at Peel)
Wing: Noddy, Aish, Sharp, Johnson, Chapman, Frederick, Erasmus, Williams
Inside mid: JOM, Fyfe, Serong, Johnson, Jackson, Erasmus, Brodie
Outside / receiving mid: Brayshaw, Johnson, Young, Switta, Simpson
Ruck: Darcy, Jackson, Reidy, Knobel
Small forward: Switta, Walters, Frederick, Delean, Simpson
Medium forward / general forward: Sturt, Fyfe, Treacy, Frederick, JOM, Banfield
KPF: Amiss, Treacy, Jackson, Tabs, Cox, Father of Thor

Biggest questions I get doing this list is I think we are a bit short on pace all over and I think our squad has a crazy amount of flexibility which adds more depth in positions than we think (you just shuffle deck chairs).

I am also very interested to see what the plan for Fyfe is this year. Exclusively a sub for the first month wouldnt be the worst option

 

[ozzie69]

I am also very interested to see what the plan for Fyfe is this year. Exclusively a sub for the first month wouldnt be the worst option

I wouldn't be surprised if Fyfe never again takes the field for Freo. I think it's likely gone past him now - especially with the depth we have been accumulating in the midfield.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I wouldn't be surprised if Fyfe never again takes the field for Freo. I think it's likely gone past him now - especially with the depth we have been accumulating in the midfield.

I had someone trying to say the same last year. He'll take the field, not the least because he has two more years and appears to be (touch wood) at least starting preseason injury free.

I suppose worst case scenario he never will be more likely he'll play games here and there over the next two years while still consistently breaking down

 

[Dockeroo]

Shame he’s on basicailly seven figures at the tigers.
He ain’t a chance in hell , not until OOC and a free agent .. and by then he’ll be what 29/30 ?… time for people to let that go.

As for McDonald the underrating of him on this board is borderline comical.

He’s not much better than Treacy, “no elite. traits “ ,“He’s not as good as amiss” etc etc

Not sure how many times it needs be stated but go back through 90% of top rated junior kpfs and most of them dont hit their strides to year 4/5/6.
Cameron and amiss are the EXCEPTION not the rule .
Imagine if we’d had a chance at Kennedy and Hawkins in their formative years … this board wouldn’t have given up a second rounder for them combined!

I’m with Docker82 on this ,McDonalds one of the most promising kpfs I ve seen come out of WA in recent times (and we’ve produced way above our average in terms of numbers of very good/elite kpp)

Him combined with amiss for the next ten years is our kennedy/darling with potential to be even better

Id happily pay 2 first for him- obviously not if both top 10 but something around 9/10 mark and late first is fine - who knows could even get a third back with that if we ever show some balls at the trade table

The issue I have with mcdonald is he is pretty much completely unproven. There is literally no guarantee that he turns into JK or anything like that. The first 3 years of Kennedy’s career are not that relevant to this debate. Loads of promising key forwards over the last 20 years have had similar stats for the first 3 or 4 years.
The separation between these players only begins when they fill out into their frame and start playing proper consistent high quality footy as power forwards from about 23 yo onwards.
McDonal MIGHT be as good as Kennedy long term.
He also might be as good as Eric Hipwood.
Or Tom McDonald.
Or Todd Marshall.
Or Peter Wright.

That’s not to say we shouldn’t bring in a player like that. They are/were all solid B grade AFL key forwards that will play 200 games or so.
It’s just too early to say yet.

If there was a good chance that he’s at the same level as JK the swans will sign him for 10 years for $12 or 14 million. That what he would be worth. Probably even more.
There is no way the Sydney Swans are allowing a future Hall of Famer to be traded to the dockers at age 22 without making us pay thought the absolute nose. I just don’t see it happening..

 

[Ge3ks]

Has Fyfes foot injury been fixed or is it still being managed?

 

[pK75]

I had someone trying to say the same last year. He'll take the field, not the least because he has two more years and appears to be (touch wood) at least starting preseason injury free.

I suppose worst case scenario he never will be more likely he'll play games here and there over the next two years while still consistently breaking down

If he can consistently play sub for the first half of the year without breaking down, we could explore playing him in the starting 22 with a planned sub off half way through the 3rd quarter. I like the idea of him being sub, dominating for a quarter of football and giving the youngsters some respite as the game wears on.
Young and Johnson were looking gassed at the end of games last year.

 

[The Feeder Club]

Is Fyfe as hungry as Sonny? I hope so. When most people are still putting Jaeger in their best 22, you can't convince me a mentally strong and focused Fyfe isn't an upgrade. But he needs to want it bad and trust his body. Does he?

 

[Quay Club]

What if Voss is only tall for a small role, not a tall to play a tall role? Tom Lynch sort of thing, from Adelaide. In-betweener size role from a full size player.

Some info on Voss from the Bombers website.

Plays forward or back, tackles with intent and loves a goal going by the video highlights.

Looks a promising type.

Patrick Voss | AFL

Follow Patrick Voss's progress through AFL

www.essendonfc.com.au

 

[malpaso]

Have we though?

Voss just won a VFL Best and Fairest at 20 years old but was never given a chance at AFL level. We've obviously seen something in him if we're having another look at him.

Got a feeling the club still think we're a mature KPF/tall short in the absence of Corbett and Kuek - we've essentially replaced them both with an 18 year old rookie and two KPDs that can play forward a bit. I don't necessarily agree with this but it's what it looks like the club thinks from my perspective.

We should really be trialling more than one small forward though imo.

I agree, kicking 49 goals in the VFL isn't average..

 

[Serongadongdong]

I think when considering list balance, you need to think of as the following

• Corbett is essentially delisted
• Kuek is very close to be being in the same boat
• Tabs has 1 or 2 years left as depth
• Simpson was drafted as a forward first, we spent pick 35 and 60 on "small" forwards.
• Draper is not a KPD and never will be, he's a 3rd tall at best.

Bold (best 22ish)
Italics (only one position)

KPDs: Pearce, Cox, Ryan (if needed), McDonald, Davies, Murphy
Intercept / general defenders: Chapman, Ryan, Young (if needed), Hughes (would put in double italics if I could), Draper
Running / small defenders: Clark, Walker, Wagner, Aish, Worner, Williams (I think they'll prioritise getting him here at Peel)
Wing: Noddy, Aish, Sharp, Johnson, Chapman, Frederick, Erasmus, Williams
Inside mid: JOM, Fyfe, Serong, Johnson, Jackson, Erasmus, Brodie
Outside / receiving mid: Brayshaw, Johnson, Young, Switta, Simpson
Ruck: Darcy, Jackson, Reidy, Knobel
Small forward: Switta, Walters, Frederick, Delean, Simpson
Medium forward / general forward: Sturt, Fyfe, Treacy, Frederick, JOM, Banfield
KPF: Amiss, Treacy, Jackson, Tabs, Cox, Father of Thor

Biggest questions I get doing this list is I think we are a bit short on pace all over and I think our squad has a crazy amount of flexibility which adds more depth in positions than we think (you just shuffle deck chairs).

No Stanley? His growth has been exponential! I'm hoping it continues over the offseason and he is pushing for a best 23 spot...

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

No Stanley? His growth has been exponential! I'm hoping it continues over the offseason and he is pushing for a best 23 spot...

I will have to hand my title as president of the Ethan Stanley over to Paracleet and hang my head in shame

(I have updated)

 

[millsy]

I think when considering list balance, you need to think of as the following

• Corbett is essentially delisted
• Kuek is very close to be being in the same boat
• Tabs has 1 or 2 years left as depth
• Simpson was drafted as a forward first, we spent pick 35 and 60 on "small" forwards.
• Draper is not a KPD and never will be, he's a 3rd tall at best.

Bold (best 22ish)
Italics (only one position)

KPDs: Pearce, Cox, Ryan (if needed), McDonald, Davies, Murphy
Intercept / general defenders: Chapman, Ryan, Young (if needed), Hughes (would put in double italics if I could), Draper
Running / small defenders: Clark, Walker, Wagner, Aish, Worner, Williams (I think they'll prioritise getting him here at Peel)
Wing: Noddy, Aish, Sharp, Johnson, Stanley, Chapman, Frederick, Erasmus, Williams
Inside mid: JOM, Fyfe, Serong, Johnson, Jackson, Erasmus, Brodie
Outside / receiving mid: Brayshaw, Johnson, Young, Switta, Simpson
Ruck: Darcy, Jackson, Reidy, Knobel
Small forward: Switta, Walters, Frederick, Delean, Simpson
Medium forward / general forward: Sturt, Fyfe, Treacy, Frederick, JOM, Banfield
KPF: Amiss, Treacy, Jackson, Tabs, Cox, Father of Thor

Biggest questions I get doing this list is I think we are a bit short on pace all over and I think our squad has a crazy amount of flexibility which adds more depth in positions than we think (you just shuffle deck chairs).

Add Emmett too (unless he's a LTI), so we're at least a little less concerned about small - medium forward depth..

 

[freo_leo29]

Why are we ruling out draper as a kpd?


His closest comparison on our list is Brennan Cox

36

Brennan Cox

Age

26

Ht

195cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.1

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

5.3

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

182.8

3star

D

12.3

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.0

2star

MG

182.8

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

Draper was great in the lockdown role last pre season in the scratches, he just faded as the wafl season went on and injuries came in


I understand starting him as a 3rd at AFL level but that's more about looking after him


He absolutely projects to be a kpd from what I watched

 

[freo1997]

So out of the 3 train ons, there a possibility we sign 2 of them or only space for 1?

 

[DragoDelph]

So out of the 3 train ons, there a possibility we sign 2 of them or only space for 1?

I think we have space for 2.
Can trial 2x players per spot, so having 3 it would seem we have an extra

 

[pK75]

I think we have space for 2.
Can trial 2x players per spot, so having 3 it would seem we have an extra

Both Corbett and Kuek LTI spots are available, though the fact Corbett was training today may explain why the others can’t start until Wednesday (assuming he has surgery booked then).

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Why are we ruling out draper as a kpd?


His closest comparison on our list is Brennan Cox


Draper was great in the lockdown role last pre season in the scratches, he just faded as the wafl season went on and injuries came in


I understand starting him as a 3rd at AFL level but that's more about looking after him


He absolutely projects to be a kpd from what I watched

I dont see the competitiveness and dont think he'll ever excel in that role, might be personal bias though