List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

[Danger in Texas]

Do we ever re-sign players for one year?

Bond, but that's the exception rather than the norm

One of Reid's weaknesses

 

[Cromulant]

Bond, but that's the exception rather than the norm

One of Reid's weaknesses

One year deals aren't common these days, unless you're 30+

 

[Danger in Texas]

One year deals aren't common these days, unless you're 30+

Still feels like we give them out a lot less

Would love to see a comparison against the rest of the comp

 

[1970crow]

Do we ever re-sign players for one year?

Bond, our most recent signing.

 

[Vader]

Do we ever re-sign players for one year?

Bond

 

[Vader]

Bond, but that's the exception rather than the norm

One of Reid's weaknesses

Is it a weakness though? Very few players are given 12-month contracts at any club, unless they are veterans getting close to retirement, or players the club expects to delist the following year (but not this year). Reid is no different to every other list manager in that regard.

I'd be more concerned about his propensity for handing out lengthy contracts to players edging into their 30s - with the current Laird & Smith contracts being prime examples. Even then, the trend towards longer contracts is AFL-wide, and not just a Reid thing.

 

[Floating Doughnut]

If we are using a half forward as our +1 at the contest, you'd actually expect that player to be a high inside 50/ goal assist player, not a goal kicker.

Now sure, Murphy isn't that either. So you should still be confused, just about something slightly different.

Watch ANB this year, it will make more sense. Unless we suddenly stop doing it now that we have the right cattle.

You are spot on imo, his pressure will be something else.
I know not everyone’s cup of tea but to put in context what we have got.
In CDSC ratings he is the 8th best raked fwd in the league , most of those points are from pressure acts !

 

[Danger in Texas]

Is it a weakness though? Very few players are given 12-month contracts at any club, unless they are veterans getting close to retirement, or players the club expects to delist the following year (but not this year). Reid is no different to every other list manager in that regard.

I'd be more concerned about his propensity for handing out lengthy contracts to players edging into their 30s - with the current Laird & Smith contracts being prime examples. Even then, the trend towards longer contracts is AFL-wide, and not just a Reid thing.

If we're being specific, I'd say the weakness is Reid giving players one more year than they should be getting, at least in some cases

You could say this for McHenry, Hamill, Himmelberg (2022), Jones, Schoenberg, Strachan (2023) and Borlase (2024). Other than Himmelberg and maybe Jones, no other club was realistically going to offer a competing deal. That's without going into the overly long deals for Smith and Laird

Other clubs, from what I can sense, are generally a bit more ruthless with their depth players, whether it be cutting their losses earlier if they've failed to impress, or giving out more 'prove it' contracts. I would prefer if we had a similar list strategy

 

[Thrillthorpe7]

He's happy getting paid to do **** all. Like so many other depth 200cm players around the league.

Was a poor decision to recontract him in 2023. We knew he wasn't up to it by then.

Seems like a good guy and that’s probably helped him stay around for this long

 

[Cromulant]

Seems like a good guy and that’s probably helped him stay around for this long

I think he's got a pretty good footy brain, which helps him at SANFL level. Has a good understanding of where his midfielders are and where he needs to be.

Just doesn't have what it takes to make the top level.

 

[Eddie Murphy]

Do we ever re-sign players for one year?

Bond, who’s probably the same level of depth as Berry is. I also think our reluctance to give one year contracts is why we don’t have players like Schoenberg, Burgess and Strachan OOC this year.

Those types of depth players should only be extended year-by-year and we failed that once again this year with Borlase and arguably Berry.

 

[Gtowncrow]

thats you going to the gym not some athlete in an ELITE sports program for last six seven years. he wont improve much if at all.

hes done, cooked, cortorized, pasteurised, finished

Cadel Evans won the tour de France at 34 years of age. Only took him 20 years of racing bikes to culminate in one glory year. Won the rainbow jersey (World Championship) about a year before this.

Power and strength belong to the young guys. Genuine elite stamina is hard earned over many years.

But... Strachanie is not the answer irrespective of anything outside of football.

 

[Gtowncrow]

Im finding now in my mid 40s I am fatiguing quicker and require a longer break between intense cycling sessions. So now I make sure I have a couple of recovery rides mixed with some moderate intensity as well. My goal is to change my whole body shape and thin down to remove how top heavy I am. All about hitting older age with a healthier and thinner body so I have less stress on my back and heart etc, while keeping fit and eating somewhat healthy. I figure cycling is one of the best activities due to the lack of stress on joints.

Cycling is awesome as long as you follow the one golden rule... "keep the rubber bits pointing down".

Admire the mature acknowledgement of later life realities. Neil Craig thoroughly approves

 

[adelaidecrows]

Cycling is awesome as long as you follow the one golden rule... "keep the rubber bits pointing down".

Admire the mature acknowledgement of later life realities. Neil Craig thoroughly approves

Well 40s is a time where some irreversible issues can occur if you dont look after yourself. So better to be preventative then live with regret.

 

[johnnypanther]

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Mutineer, I'm just catching up on this thread - who is that player please?

 

[Shifty Crow]

Well 40s is a time where some irreversible issues can occur if you dont look after yourself. So better to be preventative then live with regret.

My philosophy is - prioritise your expertise

Attending to your health today helps you not attend to illness tomorrow


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[Mutineer]

Mutineer, I'm just catching up on this thread - who is that player please?

F/S
Mitch Stevens (2025) Draft.

 

[1990crow]

F/S
Mitch Stevens (2025) Draft.

Big bonus if he comes good

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Pity a couple more names not on that list.

Lachlan Gollant (del)
Will Hamill

17

Will Hamill

Age

24

Ht

187cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.4

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

3star

MG

135.2

2star

D

8.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.4

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

2star

MG

135.2

2star

D

8.8

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

4star

MG

135.2

3star

(del)
Elliott Himmelberg

12

Elliott Himmelberg

Age

26

Ht

199cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.4

2star

K

5.1

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.0

4star

D

5.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

2.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.0

1star

D

11.8

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.2

4star

(FA)
Ned McHenry

25

Ned Mchenry

Age

24

Ht

179cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.7

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.7

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

0.0

1star

D

9.7

2star

K

4.0

1star

HB

5.7

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

G

0.0

1star

D

10.0

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

6.4

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.0

1star

(del)
Patrick Parnell (del)
Rory Sloane

9

Rory Sloane

Age

34

Ht

183cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.7

5star

K

11.7

4star

HB

11.9

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

6.6

5star

CL

5.7

5star

D

15.3

4star

K

7.3

3star

HB

8.0

4star

M

1.3

1star

T

3.3

4star

CL

4.2

5star

D

22.2

5star

K

8.6

4star

HB

13.6

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

6.0

5star

CL

4.6

5star

(ret)

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[DJ75]

Is there a genuine chance we don't take Welsh at all?
Doesn't seem like the club is overly impressed with him.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Is there a genuine chance we don't take Welsh at all?
Doesn't seem like the club is overly impressed with him.

He is a talent. Like Ried said they will sit down with his family and discuss. They need to know his attitude. I am sure they want 100% to good Tyler.

 

[GreyCrow]

Is there a genuine chance we don't take Welsh at all?
Doesn't seem like the club is overly impressed with him.

Given the current situation and the lack of interest by any club we will slide him to the rookie draft and take him there

I think we will give him 2 years at a minimum

Its good business to do so - if he comes good then its a winning move

If he doesnt at least you keep the past players onside

 

[Vader]

Is there a genuine chance we don't take Welsh at all?
Doesn't seem like the club is overly impressed with him.

It's unlikely, given the draft picks we have left. It's possible - but unlikely. It is, however, looking increasingly likely that they may choose to take him in the RD instead.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

It's unlikely, given the draft picks we have left. It's possible - but unlikely. It is, however, looking increasingly likely that they may choose to take him in the RD instead.

My thoughts exactly.

Edit
My contacts at WWT tell me he has been left to his own devices and gone lazy in a number of areas.

 

[DJ75]

My thoughts exactly.

Edit
My contacts at WWT tell me he has been left to his own devices and gone lazy in a number of areas.

That feels like both a failing on his part and on ours.