List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading

[Jeffcrowe]

You basically have 4 players, and 3 positions for them to play. The fundamental assumption here has to be that Fog, TT & Luko would be expected to play every game, and Tex around 1/2 - 2/3 of all games. That works well if one of the first 3 gets injured, but how does it work if they don't?

That’s assuming nothing goes amiss with form and injuries

Eg this year TT misses 3 months , who’s to say someone doesn’t miss 6-12 weeks next year

And it’s also assuming that Luko is a forward ) I think he is but he might end up playing somewhere else , it’s still an unknown )

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Luko is not a key forward. Tex is. Luko should be a wing/connector, doing the delivery.

Yep Luko could easily start off on a wing then end up a forward

Not a huge diff between high half forward and wing roles

I still think he’s a forward though

 

[Mutineer]

Yep Luko could easily start off on a wing then end up a forward

Not a huge diff between high half forward and wing roles

I still think he’s a forward though

Luko might not be everybody's cup of tea but I bet Thilly and Fog's eyes would light up getting on the end of some of his forward entries.

 

[skam85]

Luko might not be everybody's cup of tea but I bet Thilly and Fog's eyes would light up getting on the end of some of his forward entries.

Yep while he may appear laconic, his kick is elite. Need a lot more of that.

 

[Vader]

That’s assuming nothing goes amiss with form and injuries

Eg this year TT misses 3 months , who’s to say someone doesn’t miss 6-12 weeks next year

And it’s also assuming that Luko is a forward ) I think he is but he might end up playing somewhere else , it’s still an unknown )

As I said... it works fine if we have injuries. It creates huge problems if we don't.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Luko might not be everybody's cup of tea but I bet Thilly and Fog's eyes would light up getting on the end of some of his forward entries.

Can only see him getting better too and unlocking his potential

Eventually I see him very dangerous as an I50 marking forward but early days the high role will suit

 

[Jeffcrowe]

As I said... it works fine if we have injuries. It creates huge problems if we don't.

Why huge problems ?

Tex -‘ you might not play all the time next year depending on form and injuries ‘

 

[Rotayjay]

What are the chances that we get Luko, and he, Thilthorpe and Fogarty play every game without fail? Surely there will be some injury at some point. I think Tex still has something to offer. If you think my opinion is influenced by emotion, it is. It would be utterly wrong to see him in another club's jumper. He is a legend of this club and deserves a proper farewell, wearing the tricolours. If that means being depth, so be it.

 

[Vader]

Why huge problems ?

Tex -‘ you might not play all the time next year depending on form and injuries ‘

We'd still be expecting him to play 1/2 - 2/3 of all games (for which he is available).

4 into 3 does not go => problems.

 

[Floating Doughnut]

Why huge problems ?

Tex -‘ you might not play all the time next year depending on form and injuries ‘

This is the ideal scenario imo.

 

[ABAB]

We'd still be expecting him to play 1/2 - 2/3 of all games (for which he is available).

4 into 3 does not go => problems.

What if his back is much worst and retire half way through the season? Look at what happened to Hawkins this year.

 

[Vader]

What if his back is much worst and retire half way through the season? Look at what happened to Hawkins this year.

Why are so many people incapable of reading?

You basically have 4 players, and 3 positions for them to play. The fundamental assumption here has to be that Fog, TT & Luko would be expected to play every game, and Tex around 1/2 - 2/3 of all games. That works well if one of the first 3 gets injured, but how does it work if they don't?

As I said... it works fine if we have injuries. It creates huge problems if we don't.

 

[ABAB]

Why are so many people incapable of reading?

And I'm talking about the retirement of Walker. So you don't want Lukosius because you don't think playing Walker with him works? You think we are going to make Finals next year and Walker will play the entire season and re-sign for 2026?

 

[Vader]

And I'm talking about the retirement of Walker. So you don't want Lukosius because you don't think playing Walker with him works? You think we are going to make Finals next year and Walker will play the entire season and re-sign for 2026?

If Walker is going to retire mid-season, then he should be retiring NOW. If we re-sign him, it has to be on the assumption (and his agreement) that he will play the entirety of the 2025 season.

We can't go into 2025 assuming that players will be injured, or retire early. That's just plain stupid. We can (and should) plan for contingencies where those things happen, but those contingencies should never be our Plan A.

The simple fact is that 4 into 3 doesn't go, and we would face serious problems if players don't get injured. That's not good list management.

 

[Mostyn]

Any smoke ANB is actually interested in Crom? Pear loves established depth and are good at attracting it.

Yeah, Twomey has said we're in the box seat

 

[ABAB]

If Walker is going to retire mid-season, then he should be retiring NOW. If we re-sign him, it has to be on the assumption (and his agreement) that he will play the entirety of the 2025 season.

We can't go into 2025 assuming that players will be injured, or retire early. That's just plain stupid. We can (and should) plan for contingencies where those things happen, but those contingencies should never be our Plan A.

The simple fact is that 4 into 3 doesn't go, and we would face serious problems if players don't get injured. That's not good list management.

Not playing for the future is shit list management. Hell, Lukosius can spend all of 2025 in the SANFL and go on Thilthorpe's strength program provided he only cost us a F2.

 

[Hodgy]

Why huge problems ?

Tex -‘ you might not play all the time next year depending on form and injuries ‘

‘And we want you to transition into a coaching role by taking Welsh under your wing and teach him how to be a professional. ‘ For $150k and a list spot then that seems a no brainer to me.

 

[Mostyn]

I'm surprised Carlton haven't looked at Keane.

They have pick 30 which is about right for him, and desperately need mature key backs.

 

[bigman]

Young Gallagher must be under some pressure to retain his spot for any more than his current contract.

I have seen little improvement and his AFL skills have not improved much since seasons start.

His handball technique is poor and needs considerable work.. Is he willing to do this? I thought this would be something he could get under control within a season.

His kicking is OK but not at AFL level. Very loopy and soft shoe.

He runs to the wrong positions on the ground to get the ball and is struggling to get more than 4-8 possessions per game.

He looks totally foreign when he is out on the field.

He needs to work bloody hard over the summer and if he is not prepared to do this the club and he should think of parting ways.

 

[tinman]

Circumstances are very very different but.

Absolutely. And there’s no way that Melbourne would have been thinking when they traded their second rounder to us that it would be 26.

 

[Eddie Murphy]

If Luko does nominate us (which I'm still not confident on) I reckon it takes pick 27 and a F2. Which probably means we need to fork out some extra trade value for ANB, Berry being the obvious candidate. Would people be willing to essentially straight swap Berry for ANB?

I'm not convinced, still think we're lacking a defensive midfielder in our future mids setup with Bez. His form to end the season is going to be very indicative of what we do with him.

 

[Scorpus]

Young Gallagher must be under some pressure to retain his spot for any more than his current contract.

I have seen little improvement and his AFL skills have not improved much since seasons start.

His handball technique is poor and needs considerable work.. Is he willing to do this? I thought this would be something he could get under control within a season.

His kicking is OK but not at AFL level. Very loopy and soft shoe.

He runs to the wrong positions on the ground to get the ball and is struggling to get more than 4-8 possessions per game.

He looks totally foreign when he is out on the field.

He needs to work bloody hard over the summer and if he is not prepared to do this the club and he should think of parting ways.

I don't think our development coaches are good enough to turn guys that have never played the game into AFL players

 

[DJ75]

I'm surprised Carlton haven't looked at Keane.

They have pick 30 which is about right for him, and desperately need mature key backs.

I would be pissed if we gave up pick 30 for him.
He's worth much more than that. Pick 30 is speculative at best. Keane has shown he can play at the level and can be a very good player. He's not perfect, but he's worth a lot more than 30.

 

[OccamsRazorRay]

Sid Draper
Alex Dodson
Jack Lukosius

13

Jack Lukosius

Age

24

Ht

195cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

369.3

5star

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

369.3

5star

D

13.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

358.0

5star

Alex Neal-Bullen

30

Alex Neal-bullen

Age

28

Ht

182cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.3

4star

K

8.7

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

4.1

5star

G

0.8

4star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.5

2star

G

1.5

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.0

4star

Isaac Cumming

13

Isaac Cumming

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

MG

158.0

2star

D

9.5

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

2.5

3star

MG

158.0

3star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.6

4star

Make it happen.

 

[baldandbroke]

Many of us here are critical that the club is too slow to cut players who have no chance of making it - and rightly so.

Like Fog?