List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading

[crow2crow]

I still feel there will be someone contracted asking for a trade.

Well for me that could be Butts if they signed Borlase. I cant think of anyone else. And dont give me Rachele...

 

[FR0GGY]

Well for me that could be Butts if they signed Borlase. I cant think of anyone else. And dont give me Rachele...

Rob

 

[Crows I Am]

Borlase re-signing makes me think we have heard from one of the potential incoming trades that they will not be coming to us.

Seems odd that we would sign him now and not wait until after trade week, we are limiting our options with who we could bring in now with limited spots available.

 

[crow2crow]

Rob

I wont cry if its ROB

 

[Danger in Texas]

I wont cry if its ROB

Trading out ROB would be moot, as we’d need to bring in a best 22 ruck to fill the gap he’d leave

I’d hope it’d be someone like Jones looking for more opportunity

 

[crow2crow]

Trading out ROB would be moot, as we’d need to bring in a best 22 ruck to fill the gap he’d leave

I’d hope it’d be someone like Jones looking for more opportunity

i would move on schoenberg before jones personally

 

[WaynesWorld19]

At some point this becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's harder to break into a consistent top 4 side, which is at least in part a top 4 side because players coming into the side are ready-made (having given extra time to develop in the seconds).

I doubt rocket18 will understand this .....he's too quick to fly off the handle, to have given the practice any thought

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Was footywire not the site that previously had Burgess OOC this year? Have they changed their minds or is this a different site?

I remember at the time of Burgess signing to the Crows, it was two years ....isn't 2 years the standard main list Contract minimum ?

 

[El Doederino]

Rob

This year proved that ROB is the player we could least afford to lose

 

[knobby]

We have 38 on main list, 5 Cat A Rookies (Borlase, Hamill, Keane, T Murray, Parnell) 1 Cat B rookie (Gallagher)

Players without a contract for 2025
Sloane (retired anyway)
McHenry
Gollant
Himmelberg
Hamill
Parnell

We can have a total list size of 44 (38,4,2 or 37,5,2 or 36,6,2) and we have to bring in 3 draft picks (less one for rookie upgrade).

I think the writing is on the wall for McHenry, Gollant, Parnell + Sloane retired. Neal-Bullen in, so we would be 36,4,1
Himmelberg likely trade (or FA/delist), Hamill maybe delisted as well 35,3,1

3 draft picks (lets assume one is Keane upgraded) - 38, 2, 1

Cumming and Lukoscius in? - 40,2,1

Surely two of Burgess/Smith/Milera/Strachan maybe even Cook/Jones/Schoenberg - get moved to rookie list - 38, 4, 1

What I dont know is with today's announcement for Borlase, does he have to be upgraded ??

Players out of contract 2025 - I'm only going by Footywire
Brodie Smith

33

Brodie Smith

Age

32

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.5

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

500.1

5star

D

17.1

4star

K

12.6

5star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

MG

438.9

5star

D

17.2

5star

K

10.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.6

5star

- retire
Chris Burgess

21

Chris Burgess

Age

28

Ht

194cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.2

2star

K

3.9

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

6.6

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

2.8

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.4

3star

- delist
Darcy Fogarty

32

Darcy Fogarty

Age

24

Ht

194cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.5

2star

K

5.7

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.7

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

2.3

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.3

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.0

4star

- extend
Harry Schoenberg - likely delist, depends on his 2025
Karl Gallagher - not sure - free hit, unless other Cat B rookies come along
Kieran Strachan - likely delist
Lachlan Murphy

4

Lachlan Murphy

Age

25

Ht

174cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

8.8

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

5star

G

1.0

4star

- please delist
Luke Nankervis - extend
Matt Crouch

5

Matt Crouch

Age

29

Ht

183cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.4

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

16.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

24.9

5star

K

9.7

4star

HB

15.1

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

2.0

4star

- ?? one more
Nick Murray - extend
Reilly O'Brien

43

Reilly O'brien

Age

29

Ht

202cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.4

4star

K

5.9

2star

HB

8.5

5star

CL

1.6

4star

HO

23.8

5star

D

14.4

3star

K

5.9

2star

HB

8.5

4star

CL

1.6

4star

HO

23.8

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

7.8

5star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

24.8

5star

- ?? extend
Taylor Walker

13

Taylor Walker

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.7

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

1.6

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.6

5star

- retire
Toby Murray - extend
Wayne Milera

30

Wayne Milera

Age

27

Ht

184cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.9

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.8

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.5

4star

MG

265.3

4star

D

15.0

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

3.5

3star

T

1.0

2star

MG

282.0

4star

D

11.4

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.4

4star

MG

182.0

3star

- depend on his 2025
Zac Taylor - extend

 

[FR0GGY]

This year proved that ROB is the player we could least afford to lose

Nah, ruckmen don’t matter remember

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Ask 100 people, and you'd probably have 80 say "4 is enough" and 20 say "we need Borlase as a 5th KPD for depth". You & Reid are in the 20, the BF sheeple are in the 80. Not quite sure where I stand myself.

As an example, this year we were scratching around for coverage KPP .....Worrell, Murray, and Butts all out

I'll be amazed if Borlaise makes it, for all the reasons Mutineer outlined, slow, and really bad turning circle ....Myself, I'd prefer to trade in a player that can Ruck & play KPD ....would Frampton have been a better hold in that regard than Borlaise

I suspect no to the above, as COLL offered real opportunities to play AFL

Interesting that HAW have 4 Rucks on their list .....FREO I think are similar .....if we lose ROB and Himmelberg, we're dead in the water next year

 

[Vader]

I remember at the time of Burgess signing to the Crows, it was two years ....isn't 2 years the standard main list Contract minimum ?

There's no set minimum when trading for players... but few players would transplant themselves to a different state without the security of a 2-year (minimum) contract.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

There's no set minimum when trading for players... but few players would transplant themselves to a different state without the security of a 2-year (minimum) contract.

Could be wrong, but I thought the main differential between the Rookie List & Main List these days, is 12 months versus a standard 2 year Contract .....3 years for 1st round Draftees ??

 

[Vader]

Could be wrong, but I thought the main differential between the Rookie List & Main List these days, is 12 months versus a standard 2 year Contract .....3 years for 1st round Draftees ??

That's when players are newly drafted, entering the AFL system for the first time. It doesn't apply to players who are being traded, or re-signing.

 

[crow2crow]

I remember at the time of Burgess signing to the Crows, it was two years ....isn't 2 years the standard main list Contract minimum ?

whatever we can delist him. hes useless even they know that

 

[Danger in Texas]

i would move on schoenberg before jones personally

Would any club want Schoenberg? If we pay someone out he’d be high on the list, but not sure he has any trade value at this point

 

[Disco Fox]

I remember at the time of Burgess signing to the Crows, it was two years ....isn't 2 years the standard main list Contract minimum ?

No you don't - because it was only 1 year!!!

 

[Scorpus]

Would any club want Schoenberg? If we pay someone out he’d be high on the list, but not sure he has any trade value at this point

Another club might take a punt on Schoenberg but probably not

I'd suggest the player with the least value is probably Murphy, a dime a dozen forward that every side has one of (usually better). But he wouldn't be paid out due to his extremely high standing at the club.

Brodie Smith another good candidate, would have no interest as a 33 year old

But those are ruthless list decisions that we wouldn't make

 

[Crow till I die]

Another club might take a punt on Schoenberg but probably not

I'd suggest the player with the least value is probably Murphy, a dime a dozen forward that every side has one of (usually better). But he wouldn't be paid out due to his extremely high standing at the club.

Brodie Smith another good candidate, would have no interest as a 33 year old

But those are ruthless list decisions that we wouldn't make

Bad timing because of injury, but Milera would possibly be one with some trade value if we needed to free up a list spot?

 

[Scorpus]

Bad timing because of injury, but Milera would possibly be one with some trade value if we needed to free up a list spot?

I reckon he'd have trade value for sure. The others I mentioned would be more of a risk-free payout where we aren't losing out on potential value

 

[FR0GGY]

No you don't - because it was only 1 year!!!

Is there any evidence to this?
Would like it to be true, but nothing seems to be have been produced.

 

[GreyCrow]

I think Harry Schoe might be the one to accept the kick up the bum and become a handy mix player at another club

Home town comforts and familiar surroundings can be a detriment to some

 

[CharlieCrow]

Who else do you blame for the state of the list than the list manager?

Ok. Can't argue with that.
But surely he doesn't make these decisions entirely on his own.

 

[FR0GGY]

Ok. Can't argue with that.
But surely he doesn't make these decisions entirely on his own.

That’s true, but in the end the buck stops with the manager.
So as supporters we can only call for the head it’s the club that can make the distinction as to who is the issue.