List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

[Vader]

Could be wrong, but I thought the main differential between the Rookie List & Main List these days, is 12 months versus a standard 2 year Contract .....3 years for 1st round Draftees ??

That's when players are newly drafted, entering the AFL system for the first time. It doesn't apply to players who are being traded, or re-signing.

 

[crow2crow]

I remember at the time of Burgess signing to the Crows, it was two years ....isn't 2 years the standard main list Contract minimum ?

whatever we can delist him. hes useless even they know that

 

[Danger in Texas]

i would move on schoenberg before jones personally

Would any club want Schoenberg? If we pay someone out he’d be high on the list, but not sure he has any trade value at this point

 

[Disco Fox]

I remember at the time of Burgess signing to the Crows, it was two years ....isn't 2 years the standard main list Contract minimum ?

No you don't - because it was only 1 year!!!

 

[Scorpus]

Would any club want Schoenberg? If we pay someone out he’d be high on the list, but not sure he has any trade value at this point

Another club might take a punt on Schoenberg but probably not

I'd suggest the player with the least value is probably Murphy, a dime a dozen forward that every side has one of (usually better). But he wouldn't be paid out due to his extremely high standing at the club.

Brodie Smith another good candidate, would have no interest as a 33 year old

But those are ruthless list decisions that we wouldn't make

 

[Crow till I die]

Another club might take a punt on Schoenberg but probably not

I'd suggest the player with the least value is probably Murphy, a dime a dozen forward that every side has one of (usually better). But he wouldn't be paid out due to his extremely high standing at the club.

Brodie Smith another good candidate, would have no interest as a 33 year old

But those are ruthless list decisions that we wouldn't make

Bad timing because of injury, but Milera would possibly be one with some trade value if we needed to free up a list spot?

 

[Scorpus]

Bad timing because of injury, but Milera would possibly be one with some trade value if we needed to free up a list spot?

I reckon he'd have trade value for sure. The others I mentioned would be more of a risk-free payout where we aren't losing out on potential value

 

[FR0GGY]

No you don't - because it was only 1 year!!!

Is there any evidence to this?
Would like it to be true, but nothing seems to be have been produced.

 

[GreyCrow]

I think Harry Schoe might be the one to accept the kick up the bum and become a handy mix player at another club

Home town comforts and familiar surroundings can be a detriment to some

 

[CharlieCrow]

Who else do you blame for the state of the list than the list manager?

Ok. Can't argue with that.
But surely he doesn't make these decisions entirely on his own.

 

[FR0GGY]

Ok. Can't argue with that.
But surely he doesn't make these decisions entirely on his own.

That’s true, but in the end the buck stops with the manager.
So as supporters we can only call for the head it’s the club that can make the distinction as to who is the issue.

 

[Mutineer]

Rob

Strachan way way way more likely, but even then probably no chance.

 

[FR0GGY]

Strachan way way way more likely, but even then probably no chance.

I think Rob is more likely as he’d get another gig.
You wouldn’t ask for a trade if you’re not going to get picked up.

 

[King Elvis]

Interesting to see if Borlase has been signed or not. Keane is a better player than Borlase for sure.
Keeping Borlase provides great depth, but is not a need.

I am concerned that we have put ourselves in a position where we lack flexibility in our list management again.

With the recent resignings, I'd love to know what our list management strategy actually is.

 

[Carmo]

I can't understand so much criticism re Borlase. If you watched his earliest SANFL games you would see his improvement trajectory has been enormous. I dunno if he was late to footy given he lived overseas but he was bad at the start. He's now got to the point of being a serviceable back up now, despite having had his slow, short, unagile body all this time. This suggests he works bloody hard and is bloody coachable. Rutten was slow but went alright. Like Rutten, Borlase uses his brain and game knowledge to do his best to compensate for his speed. He's good already but he can get a bit better in that dept yet. If the guy even goes close to improving in the next two years even 20% of what he's done the last two years he'll be our best defender. We're a young inexperienced team, at some point you've gotta hold on to some guys you've got games into for a bit who knows the game plan and can come in and you have a fair idea what you'll get and this is one of those times. Two years isn't long and by then we'll have a better idea where Turray and Curtin are at as well. It seems a good call to me. I'm still calling it that he'll improve nicely in the next two years and push the others to perform.

 

[skam85]

I can't understand so much criticism re Borlase. If you watched his earliest SANFL games you would see his improvement trajectory has been enormous. I dunno if he was late to footy given he lived overseas but he was bad at the start. He's now got to the point of being a serviceable back up now, despite having had his slow, short, unagile body all this time. This suggests he works bloody hard and is bloody coachable. Rutten was slow but went alright. Like Rutten, Borlase uses his brain and game knowledge to do his best to compensate for his speed. He's good already but he can get a bit better in that dept yet. If the guy even goes close to improving in the next two years even 20% of what he's done the last two years he'll be our best defender. We're a young inexperienced team, at some point you've gotta hold on to some guys you've got games into for a bit who knows the game plan and can come in and you have a fair idea what you'll get and this is one of those times. Two years isn't long and by then we'll have a better idea where Turray and Curtin are at as well. It seems a good call to me. I'm still calling it that he'll improve nicely in the next two years and push the others to perform.

Borlase being re-signed isn't an issue.
The 2 years bit is silly.

 

[Carmo]

Borlase being re-signed isn't an issue.
The 2 years bit is silly.

Yer 2 years is perhaps a bit debatable, but key positioners are harder to find and so have a bit more leverage. We don't know if there was anyone sniffing around, there may have been one.

 

[Truck25]

Borlase being re-signed isn't an issue.
The 2 years bit is silly.

2 years is pretty standard, the 1 year for Bond is interesting, I wonder if that is all he wanted thinking he was going to improve his bargaining position next year for a better contract.

 

[crow2crow]

I can't understand so much criticism re Borlase. If you watched his earliest SANFL games you would see his improvement trajectory has been enormous. I dunno if he was late to footy given he lived overseas but he was bad at the start. He's now got to the point of being a serviceable back up now, despite having had his slow, short, unagile body all this time. This suggests he works bloody hard and is bloody coachable. Rutten was slow but went alright. Like Rutten, Borlase uses his brain and game knowledge to do his best to compensate for his speed. He's good already but he can get a bit better in that dept yet. If the guy even goes close to improving in the next two years even 20% of what he's done the last two years he'll be our best defender. We're a young inexperienced team, at some point you've gotta hold on to some guys you've got games into for a bit who knows the game plan and can come in and you have a fair idea what you'll get and this is one of those times. Two years isn't long and by then we'll have a better idea where Turray and Curtin are at as well. It seems a good call to me. I'm still calling it that he'll improve nicely in the next two years and push the others to perform.

its very simple

he coughs up goals he shouldn't

he provides zero attack

he is slow and cannot turn

he fumbles and puts others under pressure

yes he can mark but thats it

 

[Carmo]

its very simple

he coughs up goals he shouldn't

he provides zero attack

he is slow and cannot turn

he fumbles and puts others under pressure

yes he can mark but thats it

It's even simpler, he's currently almost as good as our other defenders and will get plenty better.

 

[crow2crow]

It's even simpler, he's currently almost as good as our other defenders and will get plenty better.

you don't attend matches in person. I know this because it looks different on tv and borlase has no idea.

 

[George Kramer]

Current list maths after re-signing Borlase and Bond

Senior List

OUT:
Sloane (retired)
McHenry (unsigned)
Gollant (unsigned)
Himmelberg (unsigned)

IN:
Neal-Bullen
Pick 4
Second draft pick (Welsh F/S)
FREE LIST SPOT (pick 25 or other acquisition)

Rookie List

OUT:
Parnell (unsigned)
Hamill (unsigned)

IN:
T. Murray
FREE LIST SPOT

Smith?

 

[Redline]

Yer 2 years is perhaps a bit debatable, but key positioners are harder to find and so have a bit more leverage. We don't know if there was anyone sniffing around, there may have been one.

He had no leverage, no one picked him up in his draft year or 12 months ago when we picked him up a second time.

 

[George Kramer]

Another reason why we should be hanging on to our future first pick.

It’s a top 6 pick for sure

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

My question is whether we need that much backup, given the number of KPDs ahead of him in the queue. I have no objection to his quality as a depth player.

We did this year!