Analysis 2024 National Draft

[Christou2Kouta]

Twomey had him 193 last week.
Maybe he's growing?

That's why I likened him to Sicily (who is only listed as 188cm). Not super tall but someone who just reads the ball well, attacks it in the air and has great hands. I've only seen a couple of clips of him but what I've seen has impressed me.

 

[BlueJet]

I'd say he's closer to 190.
Regardless of height, I agree with the Sicily comparison, stylistically.

 

[Number 10 is cursed]

Thoughts on Boxshall from WA? Could be a good Cripps understudy.

 

[Coona Blues]

Thoughts on Boxshall from WA? Could be a good Cripps understudy.

Yep, nearly put him in my epistle last night. Tough nut and quite skilled, very draftable utility mid to late draft more likely than the top end.

 

[Christou2Kouta]

Harry Armstrong is our pick he complete our forward line get around him also Barry Armstrong played for Carlton. Harry and The Camporeale boys.

You’re right, absolute dead ringer for Jeremy Cameron. If the quality of his play resembles his style then you take him if you get the chance.


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[The Defender]

Harry Armstrong is our pick he complete our forward line get around him also Barry Armstrong played for Carlton. Harry and The Camporeale boys.

I just watched 3 qtrs from weekend he looks an exciting fwd prospect.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I just watched 3 qtrs from weekend he looks an exciting fwd prospect.

His biggest knocks are his injury history and his height. Slightly undersized to be a 1st choice KPF.

I'm obviously a big fan given my personal ties to him but he does have very good forward smarts. Just finds a way to hit the scoreboard whenever he plays.

 

[Coona Blues]

His biggest knocks are his injury history and his height. Slightly undersized to be a 1st choice KPF.

I'm obviously a big fan given my personal ties to him but he does have very good forward smarts. Just finds a way to hit the scoreboard whenever he plays.

How we build for the future is a bit of a mystery. The tall progression will be a slow one.

Re: Armstrong, have seen him listed from 190cm to 195cm. Could be in a growth spurt phase. Eye test has him 193cm or maybe a little more, which is adequate.

Harry, Charlie and Weitering are going nowhere for six or more years. In all likelihood add Kemp as the defensive foil for that period.

We need both back up and progression. We have Lemmey who is slow burn. He could end up at either end of the ground. If he rises as a defender we may see a bit of him late 2025. Other than a taste or injury replacement we won’t see him forward for at least a year beyond that. Difficult for the lad, as he does not have a short term pathway to the top team. His quickest avenue would be to replace someone (likely McGovern) for a number of games. Hopefully he can maintain the rage to grow his game at either end.

Until we move on him with better options or his contract expires in 2026, Young remains a part of the mix. The other developing player is Hudson O’Keeffe. Ruck first but a decent 3rd tall forward option with great set shot conversion. Perhaps athletic enough to have some grounding down back as well to expand our options should the need arise. We also have the versatility and combative Jack Silvagni returning as a foil, or in times of need.

Ideally in the next couple of years we need another option at either end. With O’Keeffe and Lemmey developing, there is no compulsion to get a “genuine” key forward. Let’s not forget that Charlie does not necessarily fit the size expectations of the modern KPF. Armstrong is definitely not out of the picture as an option. We only have a small sample to date.

We can only select from those available in any draft, but ideally we need an athletically gifted, genuine 197cm plus key defender. Capable of covering the extreme athletic tall forwards who can find Weiters out. Possessing “elite” closing speed and reach along with the ability to read the play. Release Kemp to play the McGovern role as Gov approaches his use by date.

(If we can somehow conjure a pick in the right range I would nominate Cody Curtin in next year’s draft for that key defender. His big brother is a hybrid type, where Cody is a genuine defender first type.) It makes sense to target that defencer next year, given our draft this season is largely spoken for. We get another year to assess Lemmey with back up from Young and one of Marchbank, Durdin or another mature rookie option.

There are a couple of hybrid forward types who played on the weekend with varying game styles and body shapes. Both listed at 190cm in WA’s wiry Hamish Davis who likely is a second rounder or VIC Country bull Cooper Hynes who is also a genuine midfielder and probably pushes the first round, who I would have in calculations should we have another decent pick available with no genuine talls in our range.

 

[Stamos]

The draft capsule: How to solve recruiting's hindsight problem

Cal Twomey writes how a 'draft capsule' would solve recruiting's revisionism problem

www.afl.com.au

 

[LemmingMaster]

The draft capsule: How to solve recruiting's hindsight problem

Cal Twomey writes how a 'draft capsule' would solve recruiting's revisionism problem

www.afl.com.au

I would love some posters on BF to lock in their draft capsule BEFORE the draft.
Heck even slightly before Twomey posts his predicted draft.

It is funny, I remember having many conversations with certain Carlton poster about our mutual love for Rivers but no doubt I forget the times I rated some spud in the top 10.
I remember being angry at Cripps selection... I remember also being angry at Dow...I was upset slightly with the TDK selection... Obviously I only ever tell people how I rated Cerra/LDU higher than Dow, it is always easy to forget your misses.

 

[Stamos]

AFL Draft Watch: Dons academy star among top-15 bolters; ‘gifted’ Murphy Reid rising up the rankings

Prodigy ‘clubs will be desperate’ for; father-son gun in stacked No.1 race: Draft Watch

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Manhattanite]

AFL Draft Watch: Dons academy star among top-15 bolters; ‘gifted’ Murphy Reid rising up the rankings

Prodigy ‘clubs will be desperate’ for; father-son gun in stacked No.1 race: Draft Watch

www.foxsports.com.au

So Ben remains in that 15-25 range after some of his impressive efforts

Will be interesting to see if we end up needing to upgrade our first rounded pick to avoid using it on him or whether we trade it for a 2025 pick - I guess Ben’s value may only be best estimated in October or November once the other draftees are assessed as it could be close if he’s in that 20-25 range




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[LemmingMaster]

So Ben remains in that 15-25 range after some of his impressive efforts

Will be interesting to see if we end up needing to upgrade our first rounded pick to avoid using it on him or whether we trade it for a 2025 pick - I guess Ben’s value may only be best estimated in October or November once the other draftees are assessed as it could be close if he’s in that 20-25 range




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I mean Daicos went pick 4, Tom Green pick 10 or so... There is often a little FS/Academy discount with players and Ben with his questionable kicking skills should see him around that 15 mark, so you could viably position him late first early second round pick. Urquhart has the same skills set, inside bull with some questions around his kicking, he is being rated around the 20's or above, remove Ben's last name and he would be around the same mark.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I mean Daicos went pick 4, Tom Green pick 10 or so... There is often a little FS/Academy discount with players and Ben with his questionable kicking skills should see him around that 15 mark, so you could viably position him late first early second round pick. Urquhart has the same skills set, inside bull with some questions around his kicking, he is being rated around the 20's or above, remove Ben's last name and he would be around the same mark.

Ben's better than Urquhart in terms of his decision making and reading of the play, Urquhart is a better athlete though. I think both rankings are fairly just.

 

[LemmingMaster]

Ben's better than Urquhart in terms of his decision making and reading of the play, Urquhart is a better athlete though. I think both rankings are fairly just.

My problem with both players in some ways is the fact they remind me a little of Devon Robertson from his draft year and he just did not progress to AFL level amazingly. I do prefer Ben a little more as he knows his limitations currently and does seem to make better decisions.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

My problem with both players in some ways is the fact they remind me a little of Devon Robertson from his draft year and he just did not progress to AFL level amazingly. I do prefer Ben a little more as he knows his limitations currently and does seem to make better decisions.

Ben has every chance to be a bust with his kicking, I don't disagree. But end of the day that's really his only notable flaw as a prospect and something that can be worked on. We'd be backing in our development dept that we can get it right over the long term and neither Ben or Lucas will be pushing anyone out of the 1sts any time soon so they've got plenty time to iron out their deficiencies.

Personally I'm more bullish on his future, we've got Walsh and Cerra in the midfield as our 'class' and Cody coming soon who looks to be an incredible x-factor player. Having Ben there as that in and under (sometimes a bit ugly) ball winner will suit that mix perfectly. He's also an absolutely elite runner for an inside mid, he helps link play all over the ground, he just generally does it via his hands similar to Cripps when he started.


Walsh Cerra Cody Ben Elijah

Thats the future.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

We basically have this year and next year to potentially add to our KPP stocks with anything close to resembling a high draft pick. Conversely we have the Campos, Walker and one or two academy players coming through who are on the medium to smaller side. I think the time is nigh to plan for the former. There seems to be a few worthy players that might be still around if we manage to get ahead of the first bid.

 

[BigFrizz36]

We basically have this year and next year to potentially add to our KPP stocks with anything close to resembling a high draft pick. Conversely we have the Campos, Walker and one or two academy players coming through who are on the medium to smaller side. I think the time is nigh to plan for the former. There seems to be a few worthy players that might be still around if we manage to get ahead of the first bid.

You'd gave to think that we are all over O'Farrell Apart from the obvious links he looks to be exactly what we need as a 196cm key defender. Would be nice to get him with our first (maybe pick 21) Ben bid on at around 25 matched with our 2nd and a few tokens and Lucas later on.

That's us sorted.

 

[Bletch]

You'd gave to think that we are all over O'Sullivan. Apart from the obvious links he looks to be exactly what we need as a 196cm key defender. Would be nice to get him with our first (maybe pick 21) Ben bid on at around 25 matched with our 2nd and a few tokens and Lucas later on.

That's us sorted.

O'Farrell you mean, yeah? And agree, think he'd be a great target, esp. as we're likely to lose some KPD depth.

 

[BigFrizz36]

O'Farrell you mean, yeah? And agree, think he'd be a great target, esp. as we're likely to lose some KPD depth.

Thanks. Corrected.

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

Just get us gem guys and girls.

Thanks.

 

[ferrisb]

If the Pies think its a good idea to burn two first rounders on Smith coming off an ACL with the amount of veterans they've got about to retire then I say good luck to them.

Sounds like Richmond going all in on Taranto and Hopper.

Hope the pies make the wrong call too.

 

[ferrisb]

l believe common sense will prevail and any changes to the father/son draft impact will not occur until 2025.

100% it makes sense to introduce the changes next year...
















.... Which is why the AFL will do it this year.

 

[ferrisb]

Kemp doing well coming off an acl he’s draft year too

People need to stop doing this. Damn.

Stop doing what?

Tempting the injury gods? Or mixing up his and he's?

Both deserve instant bans IMO!

 

[The Sultan]

when I watch Ben campo feel like I’m watching a young doc. Lucas I’m not convinced will make it

Keep him for spare parts