Analysis 2024 National Draft

[Aphrodite]

 

[Ninja Worrier]

Hannaford, have seen very little forward, a little behind the ball where very effective. Now moved forward and hitting the scoreboard. Figures prominently on agility figures published above. Well built “six-footer” shapes as a very good pick up and multi dimensional.

When looking at “budget” small forward options do not dismiss SA lad Jacob Newton. Slightly quicker and better skilled, left footed version of Fog who can play mid or forward. Sub 180cm (just) so likely forward at higher level. Not much press so probably a rookie at this stage.

This draft has plenty of “layers”, expect heaps of value picks to emerge.

Newton is intriguing, also, that mark..

 

[ray8182]

Your thoughts on Ollie Hannaford ? moving up the draft boards with a bullet.

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Just watched hannafords highlights as a result of him being mentioned.

What a little goer. Got some real power for his size. Wouldn’t surprise if went in second round. Carlton should keep an eye on him.

Surprised by taj hottons 20m sprint of 2.88sec. That is basically elite.


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[thebluenewdeal]

For those following the draft.. are there any players that excel off the ball with their patterns and workrate?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Just watched hannafords highlights as a result of him being mentioned.

What a little goer. Got some real power for his size. Wouldn’t surprise if went in second round. Carlton should keep an eye on him.

Surprised by taj hottons 20m sprint of 2.88sec. That is basically elite.


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Would still love us to find a way to trade up for 2 of Berry, Hotton, Travaglia, Lindsay

Feel like they all fit our list needs to a tee.

Dattoli looks a good player but would be disappointed in his selection in terms of list fit

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

For those following the draft.. are there any players that excel off the ball with their patterns and workrate?

Berry is extremely good defensively for a small forward, Travaglia positions well as a defender to intercept etc, Gross a very good up and back runner.

Tbh Ben Campo would be one of the absolute best in class given his ability to accumulate and lay tackles/pressure defensively. Said for quite a while if he was more potent offensively he'd be a top 10-15 prospect such is the rest of his game.

Sure there's others but always a bit hard in the 18s given the openness and one way running sort of play that's prominent.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Luke Kennedy another who's defensive game is a feature but not sure if he'll be drafted. Needs a big combine.

Exceptional runner but plays the 2nd fiddle role to the Dragons gun mids so is often subjected to moving to a flank to make room for them.

A bit bias due to personal connection to him though

 

[ray8182]

Would still love us to find a way to trade up for 2 of Berry, Hotton, Travaglia, Lindsay

Feel like they all fit our list needs to a tee.

Dattoli looks a good player but would be disappointed in his selection in terms of list fit

Yes would love berry and hotton. I think unlikely though.

Could offer Brisbane something good for there first round pick. Two picks in the 30’s plus future second maybe. Obviously means need to trade someone for another 30’s pick. Note Richmond have a lot of picks to offer Brisbane for that pick.

Plus our pick is sliding. Now it’s expected stkilda get first round compensation for battle. Ashcroft, Lombard and compo pick means we end could end up with 14. Brisbanes could be around 17/18 when factor in kako.

In my mind the most realistic way we can improve our hand is to upgrade our second into the mid twenties. If we are actually keen on dattoli(and if he’s worth it) it might be good enough to net him.

Whatever the case we need to do more than just pickup someone like berry. To make an impact on next year we need at least a small forward and a midfielder/forward to add pace.

I really think this is the year Austin needs to be the most active and progressive he’s ever been. Carlton has had a fairly conservative approach the last few years and now we need change.


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[ray8182]

Would still love us to find a way to trade up for 2 of Berry, Hotton, Travaglia, Lindsay

Feel like they all fit our list needs to a tee.

Dattoli looks a good player but would be disappointed in his selection in terms of list fit

Regarding dattoli you should read Dylan Moore s old draft profile on rookie me central. It does read like he was a small midfielder with a good contested game that could go forward.

Dylan Moore Draft Profile

DRAFT ANALYSIS: "Inside midfielder who can push forward and hit the scoreboard and run hard all day"

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It actually reads like it could be dattoli. There is one key element though. Moore was an elite endurance runner. This is why lm interested to see the endurance results for the likes of dattoli and gross. Can they play a role like Dylan Moore?


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[thebluenewdeal]

Berry is extremely good defensively for a small forward, Travaglia positions well as a defender to intercept etc, Gross a very good up and back runner.

Tbh Ben Campo would be one of the absolute best in class given his ability to accumulate and lay tackles/pressure defensively. Said for quite a while if he was more potent offensively he'd be a top 10-15 prospect such is the rest of his game.

Sure there's others but always a bit hard in the 18s given the openness and one way running sort of play that's prominent.

I’ll take a look at Gross, where abouts is his range?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I’ll take a look at Gross, where abouts is his range?

15-30

 

[Stamos]

Twomey had Gross at 26 in his most recent Form Guide

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Regarding dattoli you should read Dylan Moore s old draft profile on rookie me central. It does read like has was a small midfielder with a good contested game that could go forward.

Dylan Moore Draft Profile

DRAFT ANALYSIS: "Inside midfielder who can push forward and hit the scoreboard and run hard all day"

central.rookieme.com

It actually reads like it could be dattoli. There is one key element though. Moore was an elite endurance runner. This is why lm interested to see the endurance results for the likes of dattoli and gross. Can they play a role like Dylan Moore?


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To me Dattoli looks a good player, but he's more strong than he is nimble. Imo he ends up on ball as he's got really great hands in tight and takes tacklers on by instinct but imo not the type of player we need.

I want kick-first outside players who can avoid contact and get loose through agility and speed. We already excel at the contested game, adding another nuggety beast is not going to help balance out our list.

Bobby Hill or Isaac Smith would be the first that spring to mind in terms of what I think our list needs

Dattoli just seems a very Voss style pick.

 

[thebluenewdeal]

15-30

Looks good but he seems more of a mid than a forward to be honest. Could be a sleeper pick as a midfield option.

 

[Ninja Worrier]

For those following the draft.. are there any players that excel off the ball with their patterns and workrate?

Hard to tell of the tv and video, but from what I've seen Datolli fits the bill playing high half forward and wing for Vic metro and on ball for the knights

 

[ray8182]

To me Dattoli looks a good player, but he's more strong than he is nimble. Imo he ends up on ball as he's got really great hands in tight and takes tacklers on by instinct but imo not the type of player we need.

I want kick-first outside players who can avoid contact and get loose through agility and speed. We already excel at the contested game, adding another nuggety beast is not going to help balance out our list.

Bobby Hill or Isaac Smith would be the first that spring to mind in terms of what I think our list needs

Dattoli just seems a very Voss style pick.

It is very true that when you watch berry he looks to run first, take ground and then kick. Dattoli can be more of a distributor type player who looks to handball rather than take ground by foot.

The only thing l would say to counter this is that berry isn’t being asked to play inside midfield like dattoli, a role that is more about distribution because there is less time and space. It would be interesting to see dattoli just play a half forward role all game. A role that might afford him some more space. In saying that, l still don’t expect him to be a runner like berry.

I guess it all comes down to that balance of contested vs outside game in the player and there is currently a shift in importance towards the outside.


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[The Blue Weirdo]

Took him a couple years to get his power and change of direction back though which is more my point.

As a skinny 18 year old, I wouldn't be expecting Hotton to have an instant impact regardless of the ACL.
The injury is what makes him available at our pick.
How does he compare with another X-factor FWD/mid Zane Duursma(2023 pick 4)?

 

[Ninja Worrier]

Watching those highlights Hotton is the exact type we need....quick and evasive, good footy IQ and fast decision making, impacts up the ground but also good positioning and forward craft and knows where the goals are .... would have to be pretty enticing if his medical is ok

 

[LemmingMaster]

I’ll take a look at Gross, where abouts is his range?

I will have egg on my face no doubt, but I am not the biggest fan of Gross, I think his decision making skills and kicking ability is an issue.

Then again, I was concerned with Serong back in the day and I feel really stupid about that now.

 

[Ninja Worrier]

I'm with you on Gross LM.... I'd be looking elsewhere for us

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I will have egg on my face no doubt, but I am not the biggest fan of Gross, I think his decision making skills and kicking ability is an issue.

Then again, I was concerned with Serong back in the day and I feel really stupid about that now.

Yeah, he's hard working but don't love the rest of his game. Don't think he'd be a great fit for us

 

[Coona Blues]

I will have egg on my face no doubt, but I am not the biggest fan of Gross, I think his decision making skills and kicking ability is an issue.

Then again, I was concerned with Serong back in the day and I feel really stupid about that now.

I'm with you on Gross LM.... I'd be looking elsewhere for us

In that camp too…

 

[LemmingMaster]

1 Richmond
2 North Melbourne
3 West Coast
4 Adelaide
5 Melbourne
6 Gold Coast
7 St Kilda
8 Essendon
9 Fremantle
10 Fremantle (tied to Collingwood)
I will not write where each name will 100% go.

Jagga Smith
Ashcroft
FOS
Smillie
Draper
Trainor
Lalor
Lombard
Reid
Langford

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These ten names are most likely gone by the time we pick. Plus two more names

11 Carlton - Lindsay, Travaglia, Berry, Marshall
Those are some names that tick a few boxes, kicking skills and speed on many of them.
I would love a Lombard > Draper > Reid > Lalor > and even maybe Langford if they drifted in the draft.
(Yes, I know Lombard is linked and we will not get our hands on him)

I might even consider over paying a future first and second in return for a future third or something to get my hands on two of those players.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

1 Richmond
2 North Melbourne
3 West Coast
4 Adelaide
5 Melbourne
6 Gold Coast
7 St Kilda
8 Essendon
9 Fremantle
10 Fremantle (tied to Collingwood)
I will not write where each name will 100% go.

Jagga Smith
Ashcroft
FOS
Smillie
Draper
Trainor
Lalor
Lombard
Reid
Langford

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These ten names are most likely gone by the time we pick. Plus two more names

11 Carlton - Lindsay, Travaglia, Berry, Marshall
Those are some names that tick a few boxes, kicking skills and speed on many of them.
I would love a Lombard > Draper > Reid > Lalor > and even maybe Langford if they drifted in the draft.
(Yes, I know Lombard is linked and we will not get our hands on him)

I might even consider over paying a future first and second in return for a future third or something to get my hands on two of those players.

Marshall is Bris academy

 

[Coona Blues]

Marshall is Bris academy

Interesting one. Talk is they will be forced in to deficit if Ashcroft is bid in first couple, leaving little or nothing for Marshall. They have Daniel Annable next year who will be at the pointy end, so will not want to use F1. Interesting times for the Lions.

 

[Blueyourmyboy!!]

1 Richmond
2 North Melbourne
3 West Coast
4 Adelaide
5 Melbourne
6 Gold Coast
7 St Kilda
8 Essendon
9 Fremantle
10 Fremantle (tied to Collingwood)
I will not write where each name will 100% go.

Jagga Smith
Ashcroft
FOS
Smillie
Draper
Trainor
Lalor
Lombard
Reid
Langford

-------------------
These ten names are most likely gone by the time we pick. Plus two more names

11 Carlton - Lindsay, Travaglia, Berry, Marshall
Those are some names that tick a few boxes, kicking skills and speed on many of them.
I would love a Lombard > Draper > Reid > Lalor > and even maybe Langford if they drifted in the draft.
(Yes, I know Lombard is linked and we will not get our hands on him)

I might even consider over paying a future first and second in return for a future third or something to get my hands on two of those players.

I see Melbourne going early on Armstrong at 5 or even bombers at 8 both need a key forward. So there will be a slider for sure.