Analysis 2024 National Draft

[Aphrodite]

 

[TimeFor17]

OK a comparison for the #3 selection v the #12 and #14 (Excluding F/S or Academy picks because they were never in contention anyway)

2023 - Zane Duursma v Will Green and Darcy Wilson
2022 - George Wardlaw v Mathew Jefferson and Josh Weddle
2021 - Mac Andrew v Campbell Chesser and Darcy Wilmot
2020 - Logan McDonald v Heath Chapman and Oliver Henry
2019 - Juke Jackson v Miles Bergman and Cooper Stephens
2018 - Izak Rankine v Jordan Clark and Sam Sturt
2017 - Paddy Dow v Darcy Fogarty and Mathew Ling
2016 - Hugh McCluggage v Jordan Gallucci and Jarrod Berry
2015 - Clayton Oliver v Tom Doedee and Ryan Burton
2014 - Angus Brayshaw v Lachie Weller and Jarrod Garlett
2013 - Jack Billings v Patrick Cripps and Zack Jones

Going any further back takes you into the GWS entrance draft (and GCS) which were so highly compromised that they are probably irrelevant for this discussion.

So I would say in most years I would clearly take the #3 over #12 and #14. The only clear cases where later picks were better IMO were when #3 was ended up being pretty crap (e.g. 2017 or 2013)

Adding to this, a better comparison would be to assess the average of the results of pick 3 to 5 versus say the average of pick 11-15 to take away the element of shitty picks at that range. It will elimate the outlier to a degree.

 

[coryne]

To make it fair I think it needs to be 3 to 5 vs 12-17.
3 picks vs 6 picks. There’s every chance 4 is better than 3 & 13 is better than 12.
All the players would have been available.
If 2 of the 6 are better than 1 of the 3 then we made an error.

Really you want 3-5 v 12-17 ???

2023 - Zane Duursma, Nick Watson and Ryley Sanders v Will Green, James Leake, Darcy Wilson, Taylor Goad, Charlie Edwards, Will Dawson. - Too early to call

2022 - George Wardlaw, Elijah Tsatas and Bailey Humphrey v Mathew Jefferson, Max Michalanney, Josh Weddle, Ed Allan, Jacob Konstanty and Darcy Jones. - Again to early but would still probably go with Wardlaw

2021 - Mac Andrew, Josh Rachele and Josh Ward v Campbell Chesser, Leek Aleer, Darcy Wilmot, Tom Brown, Angus Sheldrick and Jacob van Rooyen - I would be sticking with Andrew (And Melbourne should rightfully be PISSED !!! .....)

2020 - Logan McDonald, Braeden Campbell and Denver Grainger-Barras v Heath Chapman, Conor Stone, Oliver Henry, Ryan Henry, Ryan Andwin and Finlay Macrae. - Close but sticking with McDonald

2019 - Juke Jackson, Lachlan Ash and Dylan Stephens v Miles Bergman, Cody Weightman, Cooper Stephens, Brodie Kemp, Mitche Georgiades and Sam De Koning. - Easily sticking with Jackson, mostly says we should have gone with SDK over Kemp but I still have hopes that Kemp will become a very good 3rd tall

2018 - Izak Rankine, Max King and Connor Rozee v Jordan Clark, Ned McHenry, Sam Sturt, Xavier Durrsma, Liam Stocker and Riley Collier-Dawkins. - Clearly Rankine or Rozee

2017 - Paddy Dow, LDU and Adam Cerra v Darcy Fogarty, Jarrod Brander, Mathew Ling, Zac Bailey, Ed Richards and Jack Higgins. - LDU over two of the later picks

2016 - Hugh McCluggage, Ben Ainsworth and Will Setterfield v Jordan Gallucci, Todd Marshall, Jarrod Berry, Sam Powell-Pepper, Time English and Will Hayward. - Only thing that makes this close is Hayward sneaking into the later picks but still go with McCluggage over English/Marshall and Hayward

2015 - Clayton Oliver, Darcy Parish and Aaron Francis v Tom Doedee, Jade Gresham, Ryan Burton, Brayden Fiorini, Ben McKay and Kieren Lovell. - Sticking with Oliver over two laters

2014 - Angus Brayshaw, Jarrod Pickett and Jordan DeGoey v Lachie Weller, Jake Level, Jarrod Garlett, Dam Durdin, Kyle Langford and Blaine Boekhorst. - Brayshaw or DeGoey would still be better

2013 - Jack Billings, Marcus Bontempelli and Kade Kolodjashnij v Patrick Cripps, Cam McCarthy, Zack Jones, Darcy Lang, Michael Apeness and Luke Dunsttan - Bont makes it closer here but ild go Cripps and a packet of chips (Not biased at all .....)

Yeah na I am still sticking with the top end selection over two later selections

So I am going x9 with the "Pick 3 equivalent"
One with the (slightly biased) "later picks"
and one too early to call


I have pretty much convinced myself that going for #3 was an AWESOME result ..........

 

[HarryFlashman]

Really you want 3-5 v 12-17 ???

2023 - Zane Duursma, Nick Watson and Ryley Sanders v Will Green, James Leake, Darcy Wilson, Taylor Goad, Charlie Edwards, Will Dawson.
2022 - George Wardlaw, Elijah Tsatas and Bailey Humphrey v Mathew Jefferson, Max Michalanney, Josh Weddle, Ed Allan, Jacob Konstanty and Darcy Jones
2021 - Mac Andrew, Josh Rachele and Josh Ward v Campbell Chesser, Leek Aleer, Darcy Wilmot, Tom Brown, Angus Sheldrick and Jacob van Rooyen
2020 - Logan McDonald, Braeden Campbell and Denver Grainger-Barras v Heath Chapman, Conor Stone, Oliver Henry, Ryan Henry, Ryan Andwin and Finlay Macrae
2019 - Juke Jackson, Lachlan Ash and Dylan Stephens v Miles Bergman, Cody Weightman, Cooper Stephens, Brodie Kemp, Mitche Georgiades and Sam De Koning
2018 - Izak Rankine, Max King and Connor Rozee v Jordan Clark, Ned McHenry, Sam Sturt, Xavier Durrsma, Liam Stocker and Riley Collier-Dawkins
2017 - Paddy Dow, LDU and Adam Cerra v Darcy Fogarty, Jarrod Brander, Mathew Ling, Zac Bailey, Ed Richards and Jack Higgins
2016 - Hugh McCluggage, Ben Ainsworth and Will Setterfield v Jordan Gallucci, Todd Marshall, Jarrod Berry, Sam Powell-Pepper, Time English and Will Hayward
2015 - Clayton Oliver, Darcy Parish and Aaron Francis v Tom Doedee, Jade Gresham, Ryan Burton, Brayden Fiorini, Ben McKay and Kieren Lovell
2014 - Angus Brayshaw, Jarrod Pickett and Jordan DeGoey v Lachie Weller, Jake Level, Jarrod Garlett, Dam Durdin, Kyle Langford and Blaine Boekhorst
2013 - Jack Billings, Marcus Bontempelli and Kade Kolodjashnij v Patrick Cripps, Cam McCarthy, Zack Jones, Darcy Lang, Michael Apeness and Luke Dunsttan

Yeah na I am still sticking with the top end selection over two later selections

Wow, nice work

 

[Jimmae]

It is under estimated that it is a very rare chance of a Pick 3 coming into an already Finals team with already good leadership and a good top end of experienced midfielders and a good Ruckman.

Whoever is Pick 3 gets a chance to impact right away more than most Pick 3's.

Leadership? Carlton? If that were the case we wouldn't be having a mini-rebuild right now.

Really you want 3-5 v 12-17 ???

2023 - Zane Duursma, Nick Watson and Ryley Sanders v Will Green, James Leake, Darcy Wilson, Taylor Goad, Charlie Edwards, Will Dawson. - Too early to call

2022 - George Wardlaw, Elijah Tsatas and Bailey Humphrey v Mathew Jefferson, Max Michalanney, Josh Weddle, Ed Allan, Jacob Konstanty and Darcy Jones. - Again to early but would still probably go with Wardlaw

2021 - Mac Andrew, Josh Rachele and Josh Ward v Campbell Chesser, Leek Aleer, Darcy Wilmot, Tom Brown, Angus Sheldrick and Jacob van Rooyen - I would be sticking with Andrew (And Melbourne should rightfully be PISSED !!! .....)

2020 - Logan McDonald, Braeden Campbell and Denver Grainger-Barras v Heath Chapman, Conor Stone, Oliver Henry, Ryan Henry, Ryan Andwin and Finlay Macrae. - Close but sticking with McDonald

2019 - Juke Jackson, Lachlan Ash and Dylan Stephens v Miles Bergman, Cody Weightman, Cooper Stephens, Brodie Kemp, Mitche Georgiades and Sam De Koning. - Easily sticking with Jackson, mostly says we should have gone with SDK over Kemp but I still have hopes that Kemp will become a very good 3rd tall

2018 - Izak Rankine, Max King and Connor Rozee v Jordan Clark, Ned McHenry, Sam Sturt, Xavier Durrsma, Liam Stocker and Riley Collier-Dawkins. - Clearly Rankine or Rozee

2017 - Paddy Dow, LDU and Adam Cerra v Darcy Fogarty, Jarrod Brander, Mathew Ling, Zac Bailey, Ed Richards and Jack Higgins. - LDU over two of the later picks

2016 - Hugh McCluggage, Ben Ainsworth and Will Setterfield v Jordan Gallucci, Todd Marshall, Jarrod Berry, Sam Powell-Pepper, Time English and Will Hayward. - Only thing that makes this close is Hayward sneaking into the later picks but still go with McCluggage over English/Marshall and Hayward

2015 - Clayton Oliver, Darcy Parish and Aaron Francis v Tom Doedee, Jade Gresham, Ryan Burton, Brayden Fiorini, Ben McKay and Kieren Lovell. - Sticking with Oliver over two laters

2014 - Angus Brayshaw, Jarrod Pickett and Jordan DeGoey v Lachie Weller, Jake Level, Jarrod Garlett, Dam Durdin, Kyle Langford and Blaine Boekhorst. - Brayshaw or DeGoey would still be better

2013 - Jack Billings, Marcus Bontempelli and Kade Kolodjashnij v Patrick Cripps, Cam McCarthy, Zack Jones, Darcy Lang, Michael Apeness and Luke Dunsttan - Bont makes it closer here but ild go Cripps and a packet of chips (Not biased at all .....)

Yeah na I am still sticking with the top end selection over two later selections

So I am going x9 with the "Pick 3 equivalent"
One with the (slightly biased) "later picks"
and one too early to call


I have pretty much convinced myself that going for #3 was an AWESOME result ..........

I was leaning ever so slightly towards the singular pick in the previous rundowns, but this has me leaning more towards taking multiple picks.

I would prefer multiple picks regardless, but I think historical data doesn't provide much as it's rare a draft is this deep on talent. What you're seeing in terms of list turn over right now reflects that reality.

 

[coryne]

Leadership? Carlton? If that were the case we wouldn't be having a mini-rebuild right now.

I was leaning ever so slightly towards the singular pick in the previous rundowns, but this has me leaning more towards taking multiple picks.

I would prefer multiple picks regardless, but I think historical data doesn't provide much as it's rare a draft is this deep on talent. What you're seeing in terms of list turn over right now reflects that reality.

Honest question, which years from above are you choosing multiples over the single high? I have stated who I would be going with each years, interested in your opinion.

And if we want to look at what are considered some of the best draft years

2001 - Chris Judd, Graham Polak and Xavier Clarke v Brent Reilly, Nick Dal Santos, Ashley Watson, Barry Brooks, Rick Ladson and James Kelly - I would be taking Judd over Dal Santos and Kelly

1999 - Aaron Fiora, Mathew Pavlich and Leigh Brown v Paul Koulouriotis, Robert Murphy, Travis Gaspar, David Springs and David Haynes - Pavlich for the win.

2006 - Lachlan Hansen, Mathew Leuenberger, Travis Boak v James Frawley, Jack Riewoldt, James Sellar, Daniel O#Keefe, Mitch Brown and Shaun Hampson. I would probably go the two KPP in Frawley and Riewoldt over Boak.

For me, #3 if generally around where the top band falls in any year, and #12 is at best the end of the second band, start of the third band of players. Getting a potential star in which we still have a strong core group will be HUGE IMO, and the chances that at least 1 of the 2 lower picks is average at best tilts the situation towards the 1 high over 2 lower selections IMO.

Put it this way. Even with 20/20 hindsight it is hard to get years where the 2 lower picks are better than the 1 higher pick, and you will NEVER select that well at the actual draft .........

 

[marcmurphy3]

People like the idea of 12+14 because of how much we build these prospective draftees up. Even though we logically know they wont all make it, until that happens they all feel like potential future stars. Solutions to our problems. Why only take 1 when you could take 2?

The reality is mid to late first round picks are an absolute mine field with more failures then successes. The future stars of today are the whipping boys of tomorrow. History has showed us that.

Just look at Olli Hotton. Not a first round pick but 2 years ago nearly every poster on here would have taken him ahead of Binns. A lot were upset we took him ahead of Cowan. Now he's not even on a list.

 

[PenskeFile]

Except for Dodo last year

Dodo traded up because there was a lot of interest Caddy. To make sure Geelong didn’t trade down to another club that wanted Caddy, he gave some extra. Geelong may well have been bluffing, but I can see the logic in Dodo making the trade. I can’t see any logic at all for the Crows to swap picks with us, it sounds fanciful

 

[JustOneTime]

The two picks this year vs one needs to take into account the draft strength type. Some years aren't worth comparing.

Right Arr0w?

 

[SpiritOfCarlton]

Team Sid.

SID.

 

[PenskeFile]

Personally, I’d rather pick 3 than 12 and 14, I like the trade and I think the move up was made because we see the best available at that pick to be a need as well (FOS or Smith I feel).

 

[GoBlues!]

While it's exciting to see who we select at 3, I would have preferred 12 and 14

Club probably sees the need to address our midfield group’s lack of pace and agility as the most urgent, and this is the draft to do it in.

Pick 3 is an opportunity to access a high quality midfield selection like Finn/Smith/Draper. Together with Ben Camporeale it’s a great start towards addressing this area.

 

[bradfisher14]

I believe we can improve more than 1 area/type, having 2 picks in the top 15 also improves the probability of success

I get what you mean and agree we need to improve multiple areas. But it’s extremely rare that the type of midfielder we need is available at a pick in the teens.

What do you think makes those 4 different from any other prospect around that draft range?

Nothing to do with their quality as prospects. Everything to do with the fact that they are key defenders and we need one desperately.

 

[Stamos]

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[Juice030103]

Pretty simple

Champions win you flags. You need depth yes but in the big moments you need stars to stand up. Lions had Ashcroft Neale Daniher more this year. Pies had Daicos de goey Pendles hill


Having a top 3 pick increases your chances of drafting a champion. Yes you can get champions at 12 and beyond but in recent drafts it’s been trending towards the top 5 being pretty close to the best.

2021 and 2022 the standouts, pretty much all of them are or will be the best. JHF Darcy Daicos Callaghan Andrew, cadman Ashcroft sheezel wardlaw. I expect 2023 to be the same. The recruiters are getting better at assessing talent and I expect whoever we draft to end up being better than what we would get at 12 and 14

 

[BluStreak]

Do you think that if the player we want is not there at 3, do we add 38 and swap with Richmond for 6 and 18 (our favor - point totals) or 6 and 20 (Richmonds favor)?

If that was to happen then do we go for Kako (force * to match) / langford / Smillie / Reid (or do we reach for Berry) and then at 18 go for Trainor / Travaglia or at 20 go for o'Farrell / Cole / Dennis?

I know, whats the point of trading to 3 then trading out. Well we may have a particular kid in mind at 3 and the others don't prove to be a POD.

 

[Stamos]

Do you think that if the player we want is not there at 3, do we add 38 and swap with Richmond for 6 and 18 (our favor - point totals) or 6 and 20 (Richmonds favor)?

If that was to happen then do we go for Kako (force * to match) / langford / Smillie / Reid (or do we reach for Berry) and then at 18 go for Trainor / Travaglia or at 20 go for o'Farrell / Cole / Dennis?

I know, whats the point of trading to 3 then trading out. Well we may have a particular kid in mind at 3 and the others don't prove to be a POD.

There's no way we traded up to 3 only liking 1 or 2 players.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Really you want 3-5 v 12-17 ???

2023 - Zane Duursma, Nick Watson and Ryley Sanders v Will Green, James Leake, Darcy Wilson, Taylor Goad, Charlie Edwards, Will Dawson. - Too early to call

2022 - George Wardlaw, Elijah Tsatas and Bailey Humphrey v Mathew Jefferson, Max Michalanney, Josh Weddle, Ed Allan, Jacob Konstanty and Darcy Jones. - Again to early but would still probably go with Wardlaw - Too early but a big bust in top 3.

2021 - Mac Andrew, Josh Rachele and Josh Ward v Campbell Chesser, Leek Aleer, Darcy Wilmot, Tom Brown, Angus Sheldrick and Jacob van Rooyen - I would be sticking with Andrew (And Melbourne should rightfully be PISSED !!! .....)
I think JvR will be the best of that lot but this is line ball, so good gets late.

2020 - Logan McDonald, Braeden Campbell and Denver Grainger-Barras v Heath Chapman, Conor Stone, Oliver Henry, Ryan Henry, Ryan Andwin and Finlay Macrae. - Close but sticking with McDonald - I think Braeden tilts it for early picks.

2019 - Juke Jackson, Lachlan Ash and Dylan Stephens v Miles Bergman, Cody Weightman, Cooper Stephens, Brodie Kemp, Mitche Georgiades and Sam De Koning. - Easily sticking with Jackson, mostly says we should have gone with SDK over Kemp but I still have hopes that Kemp will become a very good 3rd tall - Disagree, better gets late.

2018 - Izak Rankine, Max King and Connor Rozee v Jordan Clark, Ned McHenry, Sam Sturt, Xavier Durrsma, Liam Stocker and Riley Collier-Dawkins. - Clearly Rankine or Rozee - Agree

2017 - Paddy Dow, LDU and Adam Cerra v Darcy Fogarty, Jarrod Brander, Mathew Ling, Zac Bailey, Ed Richards and Jack Higgins. - LDU over two of the later picks - Close to even with ZB & ER.

2016 - Hugh McCluggage, Ben Ainsworth and Will Setterfield v Jordan Gallucci, Todd Marshall, Jarrod Berry, Sam Powell-Pepper, Time English and Will Hayward. - Only thing that makes this close is Hayward sneaking into the later picks but still go with McCluggage over English/Marshall and Hayward Can't see how HM just dilutes the others, especially TE.

2015 - Clayton Oliver, Darcy Parish and Aaron Francis v Tom Doedee, Jade Gresham, Ryan Burton, Brayden Fiorini, Ben McKay and Kieren Lovell. - Sticking with Oliver over two laters - Agree Oliver makes this a one horse race.

2014 - Angus Brayshaw, Jarrod Pickett and Jordan DeGoey v Lachie Weller, Jake Level, Jarrod Garlett, Dam Durdin, Kyle Langford and Blaine Boekhorst. - Brayshaw or DeGoey would still be better - Agree

2013 - Jack Billings, Marcus Bontempelli and Kade Kolodjashnij v Patrick Cripps, Cam McCarthy, Zack Jones, Darcy Lang, Michael Apeness and Luke Dunsttan - Bont makes it closer here but ild go Cripps and a packet of chips (Not biased at all .....)

Yeah na I am still sticking with the top end selection over two later selections - Even

So I am going x9 with the "Pick 3 equivalent"
One with the (slightly biased) "later picks"
and one too early to call


I have pretty much convinced myself that going for #3 was an AWESOME result ..........

I think it's closer than you are suggesting. Some great gets in the group between 12-17.

 

[Sweet Seventeen]

Maybe Austins preference is Finn, then Jagga. If somewhat surprisingly we miss out on both of them. We should then still

be able to get Draper.

My personal order of preference is Finn, then Sid, then Jagga.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Leadership? Carlton? If that were the case we wouldn't be having a mini-rebuild right now.

I was leaning ever so slightly towards the singular pick in the previous rundowns, but this has me leaning more towards taking multiple picks.

I would prefer multiple picks regardless, but I think historical data doesn't provide much as it's rare a draft is this deep on talent. What you're seeing in terms of list turn over right now reflects that reality.

How could you possibly read that and prefer multiple later picks? I'm sorry Jim but that's crazy.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I think it's closer than you are suggesting. Some great gets in the group between 12-17.

You are putting way too much faith in some of those later players. Like Sheldrick, JVR, Henry, Chapman, Bergman, Kemp, Clark, Higgins, Marshall, Berry, Powell-Pepper, Burton, Ben McKay are all absolutely nothing picks who may be best 22 players but none are anywhere near a top 15 player. Whereas you consistently get a crack at top-5-player-at-a-club type players in the top pick such as Bontempelli, Brayshaw, Oliver, McLuggage, LDU, Cerra, Rozee, Rankine, Jackson and potentially in time McDonald, Andrew, Wardlaw, Sanders.

We do not need a player or two to slide into our interchange or last spot on field. And that's the quality you get at the later selections outside absolute jack-in-a-box results like Cripps or Butters. If we wanted depth in our 22 we would have kept Matt Kennedy who is a better player than the majority of those picked in the 12-17 range (Sheldrick, Berry, Powell-Pepper etc if we want to highlight the midfielders). We need that elite player.

 

[GT619]

Team Sid.

SID.

same , Future skipper post crippa. just needs goals added to his game

 

[The Return of the Paf]

People like the idea of 12+14 because of how much we build these prospective draftees up. Even though we logically know they wont all make it, until that happens they all feel like potential future stars. Solutions to our problems. Why only take 1 when you could take 2?

The reality is mid to late first round picks are an absolute mine field with more failures then successes. The future stars of today are the whipping boys of tomorrow. History has showed us that.

Just look at Olli Hotton. Not a first round pick but 2 years ago nearly every poster on here would have taken him ahead of Binns. A lot were upset we took him ahead of Cowan. Now he's not even on a list.

Perception is irrelevant, though. As you note; we took Binns, not Hotton, and neither were a mid first round pick.

People just misplace their enthusiasm, IMO, and there could be an argument that maybe the club does to. Maybe we shouldn't be trying to fit a player to a concept and instead look at them as individuals and what they can bring to the club. I just happen to think having pick 12 and 14 in this draft suits the latter approach better than pick 3 does.

 

[Jimmae]

Honest question, which years from above are you choosing multiples over the single high? I have stated who I would be going with each years, interested in your opinion.

And if we want to look at what are considered some of the best draft years

2001 - Chris Judd, Graham Polak and Xavier Clarke v Brent Reilly, Nick Dal Santos, Ashley Watson, Barry Brooks, Rick Ladson and James Kelly - I would be taking Judd over Dal Santos and Kelly

1999 - Aaron Fiora, Mathew Pavlich and Leigh Brown v Paul Koulouriotis, Robert Murphy, Travis Gaspar, David Springs and David Haynes - Pavlich for the win.

2006 - Lachlan Hansen, Mathew Leuenberger, Travis Boak v James Frawley, Jack Riewoldt, James Sellar, Daniel O#Keefe, Mitch Brown and Shaun Hampson. I would probably go the two KPP in Frawley and Riewoldt over Boak.

For me, #3 if generally around where the top band falls in any year, and #12 is at best the end of the second band, start of the third band of players. Getting a potential star in which we still have a strong core group will be HUGE IMO, and the chances that at least 1 of the 2 lower picks is average at best tilts the situation towards the 1 high over 2 lower selections IMO.

Put it this way. Even with 20/20 hindsight it is hard to get years where the 2 lower picks are better than the 1 higher pick, and you will NEVER select that well at the actual draft .........

I'll do you one better and show you the 22 I can make:

2013 - Cripps, Jones
2014 - Langford, Weller
2015 - McKay, Gresham
2016 - English, Hayward
2017 - Richards, Bailey
2018 - Clark, Duursma
2019 - Kemp, De Koning
2020 - Henry, Holmes (you mucked this one up!)
2021 - Aleer van Rooyen, Wilmot
2022 - Weddle, Jefferson
2023 - Wilson, Edwards

FB: Wilmot McKay Weddle
HB: Weller SDK Clark
C: Holmes Richards Jones
HF: Gresham Langford Bailey
FF: Henry van Rooyen Hayward

R: English Cripps Kemp

Int: Jefferson, Duursma, Wilson, Edwards

It's a little light up forward and I'd probably swing SDK there if that was the list I was working with, but that's a tall, quick, and crafty team that would bulldoze the opposition in the middle and open things up for the forward line.

If I'm going to release the shackles a little and pick at the pointy end, I'd take Max King in 2018 instead of Clark and Duursma to address the key forward situation, and De Goey ahead of Langford and Weller for more direct firepower.

2022 draft is also a bit of toss-up, but Weddle makes the second pick almost a free hit.

I think I've made my point.

EDIT: Swapped van Rooyen in for Aleer

Just look at Olli Hotton. Not a first round pick but 2 years ago nearly every poster on here would have taken him ahead of Binns. A lot were upset we took him ahead of Cowan. Now he's not even on a list.

You can say the same thing about Oscar Murdoch, Charlie Clarke, James Van Es, and Tom Emmett. Not a strong draft but I assume they will find AFL homes or go close.

 

[Jimmae]

Also could have picked Fogarty instead of Zac Bailey

33

Zac Bailey

Age

25

Ht

182cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.9

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.9

3star

D

12.9

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

5.6

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.4

3star

CL

0.7

3star

D

13.4

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.6

3star

and dropped him in at FF...

EDIT: Or van Rooyen instead of Aleer... you know what, I will

 

[ferrisb]

Do we think there is any likelihood that Richmond may take the Suns approach and draft Smith and FOS given they played juniors together? Similar to the Anderson / Rowell approach? Do we know if Smith / FOS are close? Or am i making something up there?

Gold Coast were desperate to avoid homesickness.

I don't think that applies to other clubs as much.