Analysis 2024 National Draft

[Aphrodite]

 

[branedotorg]

If you had a Porche 911, would you tow a boat with it?

 

[Stamos]

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Of course you'd tow a boat with a 928, but the question was about a 911

 

[Aphrodite]

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That's a 928 not a 911

 

[jj1978]

There's no way we traded up to 3 only liking 1 or 2 players.

Take away Ashcroft surely the club has identified 3 targets worth the trade up.

 

[ferrisb]

That is a unique take

I love TerryWallet's draft opinions.

Unabashedly forms his own views and is impressively impervious to groupthink.

 

[the big lebowski]

I love TerryWallet's draft opinions.

Unabashedly forms his own views and is impressively impervious to groupthink.

Impressively Impervious

I like it

 

[ferrisb]

If you had a Porche 911, would you tow a boat with it?

I have been obsessed with cars since I was little. Always loved Porsches.

When I was about 6-7yo, I was playing Pictionary and got a card that made my day.

I drew the silhouette of a car that was unmistakably a Porsche 911. None of my family guessed what it was. Not my older brothers, not my parents. I thought they were such idiots.

When my family looked at the card, they started laughing uncontrollably ..... The card said 'porch'...



* Sorry for the completely irrelevant anecdote, but one of my brothers told the story the other day so it was on my mind.

 

[ferrisb]

Why wouldn't Voss play a pick 3 straight away when he was prepared to play O.Hollands (pick 11) and Cowan (pick 30) in their first available games?

Wing and HBF easier entries to AFL football than playing as an inside mid.

Inb4 anyone says 'but Cripps did it'. Cripps is the best inside midfielder of the past 20 years. Not a fair yardstick.

 

[ferrisb]

Ahh fudge. I haven’t rated Draper really through no solid reasoning and a mate just got me to watch more of his highlights. I’m a spud. I’m sold. He is very good.

You must feel pretty sheepish...

 

[bradfisher14]

Jagga Smith is incredibly impressive in this interview. Oozes genuine confidence, intelligence, humility, poise, and leadership. If he slips through to our pick he would be very difficult to pass on IMO. As much as I love Draper, Jagga could really be something special. He screams 300+ games, multiple AA, future captain etc.

GETTABLE: Early top 10 revealed, 'lifetime offers' for guns, father-son news, Pie plans

Riley Beveridge and Cal Twomey do a special Halloween edition of ‘Askable’ and top prospect Jagga Smith joins the show

www.afl.com.au

 

[Coops93]

People like the idea of 12+14 because of how much we build these prospective draftees up. Even though we logically know they wont all make it, until that happens they all feel like potential future stars. Solutions to our problems. Why only take 1 when you could take 2?

The reality is mid to late first round picks are an absolute mine field with more failures then successes. The future stars of today are the whipping boys of tomorrow. History has showed us that.

Just look at Olli Hotton. Not a first round pick but 2 years ago nearly every poster on here would have taken him ahead of Binns. A lot were upset we took him ahead of Cowan. Now he's not even on a list.

I think people also liked 12+14 because on paper you're seeing 2 first round picks traded for 1 first round pick, which had people saying I'd rather 2 first round picks.

But first round picks aren't equal, as several examples have been shown in here. Average games played, average AAs, then a name by name breakdown all show pick 3 alone is more likely to be an impact than pick 12 & 14 combined.

The only people I've seen have angst around giving up 12 & 14 has been from Carlton fans, other fans and the media have all said Carlton absolutely fleeced West Coast, to the point WC fans have wanted to riot, yet we have some saying "no would rather have had what we did before".

12 and 14 aren't premium picks. West Coast were dumb for giving up 3 for them. We got incredibly lucky they cornered themselves by making promises to trade prospects so would make the dumb trade. Be excited about a once in a decade gem of a trade.

 

[JuddgementDay]

We are expected to be a serious premiership contender for the next few years and we have sold our trading farm to get #3 - without losing a major player.

We are unlikely to get this chance of drafting a top pick for a long while…

So, make the right decision and make it count Austin!

Exciting times

 

[Bale Dup]

We are expected to be a serious premiership contender for the next few years and we have sold our trading farm to get #3 - without losing a major player.

We are unlikely to get this chance of drafting a top pick for a long while…

So, make the right decision and make it count Austin!

Exciting times

Reckon he's all over this like white on rice.

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[teagueyubeauty]

We are expected to be a serious premiership contender for the next few years and we have sold our trading farm to get #3 - without losing a major player.

We are unlikely to get this chance of drafting a top pick for a long while…

So, make the right decision and make it count Austin!

Exciting times

At least 2 years anyway….


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[BigFrizz36]

At least 2 years anyway….


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Because In two years we get Cody Walker and we go from contenders to certainties ?

 

[ferrisb]

Nitpicking here, but are Draper's handballs often loopy/indiscriminate?

Just working off highlights here, but it looks like he does excellent work winning the ball in tight and bursting from the pack, only to put a teammate under pressure with a somewhat 'messy' handpass?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Nitpicking here, but are Draper's handballs often loopy/indiscriminate?

Just working off highlights here, but it looks like he does excellent work winning the ball in tight and bursting from the pack, only to put a teammate under pressure with a somewhat 'messy' handpass?

He's no Cripps if that's what you're meaning, but as I stated earlier I'd have handballing as easily the most coachable skill at the top level. It's hard to think of a genuinely bad handballer at AFL level.

His hands below his knees are elite though which is far more important imo.

 

[AT97]

Jagga Smith is incredibly impressive in this interview. Oozes genuine confidence, intelligence, humility, poise, and leadership. If he slips through to our pick he would be very difficult to pass on IMO. As much as I love Draper, Jagga could really be something special. He screams 300+ games, multiple AA, future captain etc.

GETTABLE: Early top 10 revealed, 'lifetime offers' for guns, father-son news, Pie plans

Riley Beveridge and Cal Twomey do a special Halloween edition of ‘Askable’ and top prospect Jagga Smith joins the show

www.afl.com.au

In this episode, Twomey was asked who would be available at pick 4 for crows and he mentioned Draper or Langford who were also in the mix for Carlton.

 

[TerryWallet]

I think people also liked 12+14 because on paper you're seeing 2 first round picks traded for 1 first round pick, which had people saying I'd rather 2 first round picks.

But first round picks aren't equal, as several examples have been shown in here. Average games, played, average AAs, then a name by name breakdown all show pick 3 alone is more likely to be an impact than pick 12 & 14 combined.

The only people I've seen have angst around giving up 12 & 14 has been from Carlton fans, other fans and the media have all said Carlton absolutely fleeced West Coast, to the point WC fans have wanted to riot, yet we have some saying "no would rather have had what we did before".

12 and 14 aren't premium picks. West Coast were dumb for giving up 3 for them. We got incredibly lucky they cornered themselves by making promises to trade prospects so would make the dumb trade. Be excited about a once in a decade gem of a trade.

Agree with the points in this post. And gotta remember that it is really Pick 4 as against Picks 15 & 17.

There are 4 elite fast mids right at the pointy end of the draft and we are guaranteed to get, at worst, the third one of them, who may even be OUR first ranked. It is extremely lucky, and really well pounced on and executed by Austin, to take advantage of West Coasts situation. A rare chance for a competing Club to have Pick 3 with the exact kind of gun that you need waiting there for you to pick him.

In saying that, 15 and 17 in this draft are nicer than most drafts. Would have been happy with that if the WC gift hadn't happened to come along. But getting this Pick 3 for OUR midfield is a superior option to 15 & 17, or Dan Houstion. Imo.

 

[WalshYouLegend]

Nitpicking here, but are Draper's handballs often loopy/indiscriminate?

Just working off highlights here, but it looks like he does excellent work winning the ball in tight and bursting from the pack, only to put a teammate under pressure with a somewhat 'messy' handpass?

Yeah but that’s not his problem. He still gets the stat.

 

[Coops93]

We are expected to be a serious premiership contender for the next few years and we have sold our trading farm to get #3 - without losing a major player.

The best part about this situation, imo, is that we actually didn't. In the end after all other machinations we gave up a future first, Kennedy & Owies. A guy who was told he won't be played in his preferred position here and a guy we were going to delist anyway and a future first rd pick likely to be in the mid - late teens.

We still have a 2nd round pick this yr in #38 (as it is now) and a future 2nd.

Relatively speaking, the move up to 3 was an absolute bargain.

 

[ianh]

Agree with the points in this post. And gotta remember that it is really Pick 4 as against Picks 15 & 17.

There are 4 elite fast mids right at the pointy end of the draft and we are guaranteed to get, at worst, the third one of them, who may even be OUR first ranked. It is extremely lucky, and really well pounced on and executed by Austin, to take advantage of West Coasts situation. A rare chance for a competing Club to have Pick 3 with the exact kind of gun that you need waiting there for you to pick him.

In saying that, 15 and 17 in this draft are nicer than most drafts. Would have been happy with that if the WC gift hadn't happened to come along. But getting this Pick 3 for OUR midfield is a superior option to 15 & 17, or Dan Houstion. Imo.

Agree entirely, I think the history backs this up.

Of course there is the risk that the one player we pick may turn out to be a bust, there are never any certainties in the draft, and having 2 later first rounders limits the risk of picking 2 busts.

But the reality is the very elite overwhelmingly come from the very pointy end of the draft, albeit there are plenty of exceptions in the mould of James Hird or Chris Grant etc etc, and we are crying out for that elite player in my opinion.

I think we made out like bandits in the trade and it is only the PTSD of past burnt early picks that id driving the worry.

 

[JuddgementDay]

The best part about this situation, imo, is that we actually didn't. In the end after all other machinations we gave up a future first, Kennedy & Owies. A guy who was told he won't be played in his preferred position here and a guy we were going to delist anyway and a future first rd pick likely to be in the mid - late teens.

We still have a 2nd round pick this yr in #38 (as it is now) and a future 2nd.

Relatively speaking, the move up to 3 was an absolute bargain.

I understand your sentiments, but we did give up two first round picks for #3 (This year's and next year) - so that's two years worth of first rounder into one player

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Nitpicking here, but are Draper's handballs often loopy/indiscriminate?

Just working off highlights here, but it looks like he does excellent work winning the ball in tight and bursting from the pack, only to put a teammate under pressure with a somewhat 'messy' handpass?

Yes. And for that reason alone I have him ranked at #66 and/or a rookie prospect.

#hardtaskmaster

 

[tragic]

I understand your sentiments, but we did give up two first round picks for #3 (This year's and next year) - so that's two years worth of first rounder into one player

We started with one first round pick and we still have one first round pick.