Analysis 2024 National Draft

Who should Carlton take at Pick 3 if available?


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The supremely talented Sam Lalor appears to be firming as the favourite to be taken at pick 1 in next weeks National Draft. Unfortunately, calling these FULL season highlights is rather wishful thinking on my part as Lalor suffered through a series of injuries in 2024 which severely limited the amount of footy he was able to play.


Looks to be a quality player but feel he is 1. not the best player int he draft on talent; and 2. definitely not the best fit for us - doesn't have a dynamic clearance game to my eye.
 
I shouldn't but I still look at having 12 & 14 and we could easily have had names like Travaglia & Lindsay who could be as good as most

We will get a gun at 3 but we could have had two that could have really helped us
That'd be Lindsay & Berry (14 & 16) after bid matches. Still quite tantalising.
 
Note the word met "again"....
Do you really feel the need to stress “again”.

It is an absolute given that we have had multiple meetings with the players in the vicinity of Pick 3. Probably had informal contact before this season commenced with the likes of Draper and FOS. Similarly, at this late stage, it is unlikely it is our first contact with West. These blokes are paid to do a job, they would number in the hundreds for annual interviews.

There is no need to suggest other posters are not aware that there are multiple contacts with the kids we have an interest in. If you believe a second (or more) meeting is an absolute indicator that we are selecting a player, you are way off base.
 

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Do you really feel the need to stress “again”.

It is an absolute given that we have had multiple meetings with the players in the vicinity of Pick 3. Probably had informal contact before this season commenced with the likes of Draper and FOS. Similarly, at this late stage, it is unlikely it is our first contact with West. These blokes are paid to do a job, they would number in the hundreds for annual interviews.

There is no need to suggest other posters are not aware that there are multiple contacts with the kids we have an interest in. If you believe a second (or more) meeting is an absolute indicator that we are selecting a player, you are way off base.
Why not?

And that (bolded) comment beggars belief.

It's not your job to tell others what they can and can't comment on...
 
I think we should spend more time on dreaming about who we select with pick 38, when Campo does not get bid on.
Yeah, gaming out what might happen with BC and pick 38 is super interesting. Who might bid on Campo? Which pick would we need to confidently get ahead of a bid? Who might be open to trade for an earlier pick? What might it cost us, given our limited trade hand? So much to consider.
 
Yeah, gaming out what might happen with BC and pick 38 is super interesting. Who might bid on Campo? Which pick would we need to confidently get ahead of a bid? Who might be open to trade for an earlier pick? What might it cost us, given our limited trade hand? So much to consider.

We don't have any currency to trade up. It's not going to happen.

In terms of trading around a bid, it would be if a bid comes prior to 38, we would trade 38 for a F2, and match the bid with our later picks.
We would then try to trade 1 of our 2 F2s to get back into the draft.
 
We don't have any currency to trade up. It's not going to happen.

In terms of trading around a bid, it would be if a bid comes prior to 38, we would trade 38 for a F2, and match the bid with our later picks.
We would then try to trade 1 of our 2 F2s to get back into the draft.
Hey hey, hey. We've spent over 100 pages flipping between three different options for pick 3. Surely we can afford to give poor old pick 38 a bit more time in the spotlight.
 

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In terms of that, it's praying that the bid doesn't come until after 38, and then who we want to take there.
As I understand it we can trade out pick 38 whilst "on the clock" to respond to a bid. Obviously we would have to have the deal pre-arranged in order to get it done in time and it would have to be a 2-parter ie trade out pick 38 for a future, match with what we then have in 2024 then trade back in to get a shot at someone we have our eye on, whether that be moving up or down from pick 38 - would probably be sensible to have one of each option agreed in principle so we could do whichever seemed needed giving how picks had gone up to the time of the bid on Ben. Over to Curly's boy ...
 
Have to be happy with this

Pick 38. (Carlton) – Noah Mraz
Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country –DEF, 198cm
The key defender was limited by injury earlier in the year, but showed promising signs with his aerial intercepting ability off half back and is able to read the play well and use his frame to push up the ground and go deeper down back.
If his footy is as good as his Uncle's music (Jason) we'll have a goodie here.
 
Am I right to assume we're only able to trade 38 out before a bid on Ben is lodged?
As I understand it we can trade out pick 38 whilst "on the clock" to respond to a bid. Obviously we would have to have the deal pre-arranged in order to get it done in time and it would have to be a 2-parter ie trade out pick 38 for a future, match with what we then have in 2024 then trade back in to get a shot at someone we have our eye on, whether that be moving up or down from pick 38 - would probably be sensible to have one of each option agreed in principle so we could do whichever seemed needed giving how picks had gone up to the time of the bid on Ben. Over to Curly's boy ...
 
Hey hey, hey. We've spent over 100 pages flipping between three different options for pick 3. Surely we can afford to give poor old pick 38 a bit more time in the spotlight.
Sure.

1. Trade it before a bid on Ben. Unlikely. Options for trading up are very limited though (as Stam intimated). Our remaining picks are 63, 68, 69, 72. And we'd be very hesitant to use these to add-on in a trade before we know where Ben is going. Alternatively, add on a future pick? We're limited there as well. It would have to be a pick swap, as we have just a F2, F3 and F4. And the F2 is Brisbane's. So you'd be looking to trade say our F3 for whose? Maybe Brisbane or Sydney? It's not going to be worth much of an upgrade. Clubs that might be interested would be Brisbane and Essendon, but it would have to result in a net increase in points for them, and it's hard to see how we can manage that.

2. Trade it when a bid comes in on Ben. Probable. Same as Stam said, a bid comes in. We have a pre-arranged trade with another club to swap it for their F2. We then match the bid on Ben using our remaining picks. Then use either the F2 we just got, or Brisbane's F2 to trade back in to this draft, probably for a pick around 40-45.

3. Don't match an earlier bid on Ben. Won't happen, unless it's a very early bid (earlier than around 20ish at a guess).

4. No bid comes in on Ben before 38. Possible. In this (best) case, we get to use 38 on another player, then match a later bid on Ben with remaining picks. Yay.

In the most likely of the scenarios above, we end up with a pick in the 38-45 range that we can use. Probably on a tall defender, as there are a bunch that might still be available in that range. Barratt, M Whitlock, O'Farrell, Mraz, Dennis.

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Another option (one that doesn't give us a pick in that 38-45 range).

5. Bid comes in on Ben before 38, we trade 38 for a future pick (without trading back). Unlikely. From all we've heard to this point, we'd like a 4th player in the draft, and preferably before ~60 where our next pick would be after matching Ben. In this scenario, we'd probably get a late F2 or early F3, which does give us a bit more flexibility next year.
 
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Why not?

And that (bolded) comment beggars belief.

It's not your job to tell others what they can and can't comment on...
So you have the right to quote posters suggesting they have overlooked an element in the media when they have just taken it as a given because it is common practice, yet take offence when your little point scoring exercise is called out.

It is not unusual for players to have a handful of various interactions with club recruiters. Ranges from a casual “we like the way you go about and will be keeping an eye on you” through a variety of discussions in various spheres, although there would be some restrictions on formal contact while boys are still at school. More formal interviews at combines, home visits, recruiter contact, more “advanced” contact involving coaches, club facility visits etc, etc.

Multiple visits do not confirm absolute intent, as I assume you are trying to suggest.

You did not do it once, you chose to do it twice, to me and another poster in consecutive posts, like you were establishing some significant point.. You were not told what you could and couldn’t comment on, but be certain if you want to have a dig with no justification, you will be called out.
 
Link to what was said?



If they believe Ben Campo is worth their pick at 32 then they’ll absolutely bid, ensuring fair price is paid

They’ll probably be the ones to bid on Kako as well for Essendon unless Melbourne get in first, which I doubt, as they got a good deal for pick 9 from the scum


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Do you really feel the need to stress “again”.

It is an absolute given that we have had multiple meetings with the players in the vicinity of Pick 3. Probably had informal contact before this season commenced with the likes of Draper and FOS. Similarly, at this late stage, it is k it is our first contact with West. These blokes are paid to do a job, they would number in the hundreds for annual interviews.

There is no need to suggest other posters are not aware that there are multiple contacts with the kids we have an interest in. If you believe a second (or more) meeting is an absolute indicator that we are selecting a player, you are way off base.

You're right.

If AFL scouting and recruiting is anything like American pro sports (and I honestly don't know) then chances are that at this stage every player with a high chance of drafting and their primary care giver is on a first name basis with the scouts and has had a conversation or two (or more )with the higher up recruiting staff at the clubs.

It's so much more than just watching them play and assessing them on that.
 

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