Analysis 2024 National Draft

Who should Carlton take at Pick 3 if available?


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The last time we went with an obsessive 'fast mid' focusing on speed out of the contest above other things... well, it didn't work out so well. In saying that, Draper is not Dow.
Was Dow really that fast? I didn’t see it
 

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Is there a pick number, where clubs can’t bid on a player and they’re available for the rookie draft? Or is it only after the last pick in the draft.

If after the last pick makes it hard for us to make a fourth selection at the draft.
There is a point where the draft selections become worth nothing and therefore it costs nothing to match a bid at that point. I think it's fourth round and beyond. I don't think that means clubs can't bid on a player, but that the incentive of 'making the club pay fair price' for the player completely goes away. I suspect that theoretically a club could bid on a player at that point if they genuinely want that player on their list, but the other team would be entitled match at no cost.
 
Was Dow really that fast? I didn’t see it
Didn’t think so either, but his draft profile says that burst speed was his trademark. Also says he was in contention for the number one pick.



DRAFT ANALYSIS: "Paddy Dow is one of the best players in the 2017 draft crop with his trademark burst speed and vision out of a stoppage among his top traits"
Leagues: AFL U18 Championships, Coates Talent League Boys

OVERVIEW
Paddy Dow is one of if not the most all-round complete packages in the 2017 draft crop. Along with Andrew Brayshaw, Dow arguably has the most boxes ticked and it is no surprises why he is in contention for the number one pick. Dow is powerful, a classy mover, has great vision, loves the contested side of football and has a scoreboard impact, mostly setting up others when going inside 50. As a whole, Dow is a really good prospect who will flourish in the elite system.
 
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As opposed to the Langford is Kennedy mach 2 with 99 variations?
Langford is a different player to Kennedy but he'd provide the exact same variety to our midfield as Kennedy did. Athletically they're both slow off the mark, ball hunting midfielders who have penetrating kicks. Defensively neither are great once the ball has left the contest and offensively neither provide another dimension to our midfield as Cripps and Hewett will remain our primary 2 'ball hunters'.

He's a better ball user than Kennedy but the the other names in discussion provide far more variety than Langford would. Draper, FOS, Lalor and Smith all have closing speed defensively and have shown more proficiency for playing as first receivers as they're better at finding space or actually creating the space themselves through their run/agility.

But please continue donning the Langford blinkers and disregarding any negative discussion around him.
 
There is a point where the draft selections become worth nothing and therefore it costs nothing to match a bid at that point. I think it's fourth round and beyond. I don't think that means clubs can't bid on a player, but that the incentive of 'making the club pay fair price' for the player completely goes away. I suspect that theoretically a club could bid on a player at that point if they genuinely want that player on their list, but the other team would be entitled match at no cost.
So that would mean we’d have to pick our fourth at end of draft or PSD. In case Lucas is bid on and takes our last list spot.
 
Pound for pound the strongest sportsmen going around are rock climbers - those guys are built like whippets but insanely strong.
Would love to know how Jagga measures up for strength
Agree, Rock climbers or Gymnasts. Back when I did a bit of bouldering as a passtime I remember there was a 14 year old girl training at the gym wearing a junior Aus squad top. Would have weighed about 45-50 kgs and she was doing sets of 7 of weighted chin ups with 65kgs tied to her belt.

Had an older bloke who could do 1 finger single arm pull ups too yet barely looked like he'd even heard of a dumbbell.

Borderline superhuman some of those people.
 

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Agree, Rock climbers or Gymnasts. Back when I did a bit of bouldering as a passtime I remember there was a 14 year old girl training at the gym wearing a junior Aus squad top. Would have weighed about 45-50 kgs and she was doing sets of 7 of weighted chin ups with 65kgs tied to her belt.

Had an older bloke who could do 1 finger single arm pull ups too yet barely looked like he'd even heard of a dumbbell.

Borderline superhuman some of those people.
Yep, just like me. I dont go to the gym yet I have huge abs. Well, 1 huge ab
 
Didn’t think so either, but his draft profile says that burst speed was his trademark. Also says he was in contention for the number one pick.



DRAFT ANALYSIS: "Paddy Dow is one of the best players in the 2017 draft crop with his trademark burst speed and vision out of a stoppage among his top traits"
Leagues: AFL U18 Championships, Coates Talent League Boys

OVERVIEW
Paddy Dow is one of if not the most all-round complete packages in the 2017 draft crop. Along with Andrew Brayshaw, Dow arguably has the most boxes ticked and it is no surprises why he is in contention for the number one pick. Dow is powerful, a classy mover, has great vision, loves the contested side of football and has a scoreboard impact, mostly setting up others when going inside 50. As a whole, Dow is a really good prospect who will flourish in the elite system.


Lets make sure we bid on Ashcroft. That way we get our man at pick 4 and avoid the pick 3 curse
 
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Didn’t think so either, but his draft profile says that burst speed was his trademark. Also says he was in contention for the number one pick.



DRAFT ANALYSIS: "Paddy Dow is one of the best players in the 2017 draft crop with his trademark burst speed and vision out of a stoppage among his top traits"
Leagues: AFL U18 Championships, Coates Talent League Boys

OVERVIEW
Paddy Dow is one of if not the most all-round complete packages in the 2017 draft crop. Along with Andrew Brayshaw, Dow arguably has the most boxes ticked and it is no surprises why he is in contention for the number one pick. Dow is powerful, a classy mover, has great vision, loves the contested side of football and has a scoreboard impact, mostly setting up others when going inside 50. As a whole, Dow is a really good prospect who will flourish in the elite system.

Not sure why Dow's game didn't stack up at AFL level. Could be a number of reasons.

Also not sure if he played any games against mature aged opposition in his under age years, but that could be 1 of them, if he didn't.
It was easier for him to stand out more at that level, but when his game got to the AFL, it just didn't have the same impact.

Pretty sure he only played against same age/size etc.
I am sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

Imo, the kids that have played against men (VFL/SANFL/WAFL etc) and found a reasonable level of success with their "game" are better at adapting and being more successful, at AFL level.

The only ones we're looking at that I know of, that have played in the SANFL, VFL etc are Draper and Smith.

Out of those 2 for mine, but what do I know? I would wager it's less than the LM team



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Didn’t think so either, but his draft profile says that burst speed was his trademark. Also says he was in contention for the number one pick.



DRAFT ANALYSIS: "Paddy Dow is one of the best players in the 2017 draft crop with his trademark burst speed and vision out of a stoppage among his top traits"
Leagues: AFL U18 Championships, Coates Talent League Boys

OVERVIEW
Paddy Dow is one of if not the most all-round complete packages in the 2017 draft crop. Along with Andrew Brayshaw, Dow arguably has the most boxes ticked and it is no surprises why he is in contention for the number one pick. Dow is powerful, a classy mover, has great vision, loves the contested side of football and has a scoreboard impact, mostly setting up others when going inside 50. As a whole, Dow is a really good prospect who will flourish in the elite system.
Doesn't mention he can't run out a game.
 
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speed and evasiveness is a gift and any player who has those attributes could be anything Yarran was that player pity Malthouse didn’t know how to manage like minded individuals that’s why I’m putting all my hopes on Draper but if lalor falls to 3 I’d make an exception
 

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