Analysis 2024 National Draft

[Aphrodite]

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I wonder how much these recent draftee interviews impact our order? I doubt we had many chats throughout the year, so our initial thoughts were probably influenced more by on field performance and athleticism

Watching Jagga and Draper talk (Jagga impresses me marginally more) they just seem like ultra professionals, deep thinkers, future captains. Several players have said that Jagga is the hardest trainer they have ever seen. Drapers' manager said he is the most professional player at his age he's ever seen. Whatever happens they will 100% get the best out of themselves.

FOS seems like a great kid. Not saying he is unprofessional but just doesn't come across anywhere near as impressive. That's not a reason not to pick him. Plenty of the AFL's best aren't Sam Walsh, Trent Cotchin types. It's often good to have a few more laid-back types around the club.

But I'm just curious, how much impact this might have in getting Jagga or Draper over the line, particularly if it's tight? I find it hard to imagine Voss walking out of a meeting with those 3 and being more impressed with FOS then Jagga or Draper.

Exactly.

 

[Blue and Silver]

If it's

1. Lalor
2. Finn

Would we take a trade with Adelaide to slide back 1 place and take Jagga instead of Sid?

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[BluStreak]

Please explain why we would select a player who has a chronic back ailment even before they have joined us?

He may have all the qualities of the other draftees but they do not have a chronic back issue before starting their career.
Everyone has hopped off Hotten because of his ACL, a back issue such as Draper has is much worse and will be degenerative over time.

 

[HaydossJ]

Jagga..

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Please explain why we would select a player who has a chronic back ailment even before they have joined us?

He may have all the qualities of the other draftees but they do not have a chronic back issue before starting their career.
Everyone has hopped off Hotten because of his ACL, a back issue such as Draper has is much worse and will be degenerative over time.

One one 'journo' has made that claim...

And you reckon CFC wouldn't be doing thorough due diligence?

 

[BluStreak]

One one 'journo' has made that claim...

And you reckon CFC wouldn't be doing thorough due diligence?

One 'Journo' who has not been disputed.

CFC will but. it still does not explain why so many on here are so gunho for Draper. We have already seen what a back injury has done to Walsh. He is not the same player.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Please explain why we would select a player who has a chronic back ailment even before they have joined us?

He may have all the qualities of the other draftees but they do not have a chronic back issue before starting their career.
Everyone has hopped off Hotten because of his ACL, a back issue such as Draper has is much worse and will be degenerative over time.

Can you explain this back issue for me, point out where it's been reported and how, and let me know how you project handling it moving forward? It seems like you know a lot about it.

It's weird, I can't see much about it being reported outside of one article by a dodgy online only media company. I assume you have some more information on it.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Can you explain this back issue for me, point out where it's been reported and how, and let me know how you project handling it moving forward? It seems like you know a lot about it.

It's weird, I can't see much about it being reported outside of one article by a dodgy online only media company. I assume you have some more information on it.

Think Cal Twomey also reported it and that’s why he didn’t test at the combine?

 

[Arr0w]

Not all back injuries are the same

 

[marcmurphy3]

If the back was as big an issue as has been made out Draper would be sliding. Heaps of draftees have slid for medical reasons before.

 

[Coops93]

everyone is going on about Drapers defense but Jagga's highlights show him doing the same. Why isn't his defense efforts being talked about?

Afaic, picking inside the top 3 I'm not after a defensively rounded midfielder. I'm after a gamebreaking match winner. Their defensive efforts are a fairly distant concern for me right now.

 

[RPCB]

Jagga..

InB4 “Is this your opinion or something you’ve heard?”

 

[marcmurphy3]

If it's

1. Lalor
2. Finn

Would we take a trade with Adelaide to slide back 1 place and take Jagga instead of Sid?

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Not if we want Sid. Not worth giving up our player for change. And if its Jagga we want, we'd be giving it away by being willing to accept change. Crows would call our bluff.

Not unreasonable in theory but unlikely in practice.

 

[marcmurphy3]

I wanted Draper, then it was Jagga, and most recently came around to FOS. Now it's changing by the hour and I'm genuinely undecided. I guess that's a good thing as can be happy whatever the outcome.

 

[BluStreak]

Whoa, big Draper fan, but a ZeroHanger article suggesting he missed the draft combine due to a chronic Pars Defect is a massive go slow. For it to be manifesting at his age is scary. We already have Walshy with a chronic back (and George)

I have a Pars Defect among other things, admittedly I am of a different vintage and it took decades to severely impact me(along with pelvic procedure), but it is debilitating. Leg neuropathy is a common symptom, mine rampant. Not a surgeon, so hard to offer meaningful feedback regarding potential impingement and possible impact at his age. I am concerned that it is reported as the reason he missed the combine, suggesting early issues. Spine can be fused as treatment, doubt it would be a positive outcome for his movement range. (I cannot have mine fused as my entire pelvis is already fused and both in conjunction would leave me with next to no movement)

Massive need for due diligence off the back of that report. Love the kid, but wow?

I find it astounding that it has not been more in the media. ZeroHanger is hardly mainstream media. The word chronic is quite alarming. The suggestion that it was the reason he did not take part in the combine is the biggest trigger.

I was aware, in part, of my defect at around 20. My chiropractor (old school, up with any physio, ortho you would meet) told me early I would have significant trouble later in life. While I can’t say didn’t affect me until later, not knowing how it contributed to soft tissue injuries etc, with regular adjustments I stayed in decent condition in to my thirties.

It is quite possible the condition could be managed in a professional environment and he could have a long and successful career. How on earth do we gamble on that though. We have Walshy already compromised with spinal issues. We would be exceptionally game to gamble on medical grounds. There is, of course, always the chance that there is an exaggeration in order to discourage suitors.

I genuinely have had Draper no. 1 in a very open draft. DUE DILIGENCE is essential though.

Appologise to Coona Blues for using his posts. But FlowersByIrene Why did you not ask back when this was first raised?

 

[Coops93]

It's an interesting draft whereby there's a real chance that if Richmond didn't take Lalor at 1 that he might slip to 4 or 5. There's not really a consensus no.1.

If Richmond by chance took FOS at 1, Norf seem to want Tauru, we could take him at 3 (I would) but we may take Draper or Jagga - more pure mids with speed rather than mid/forward hybrid - then Adelaide on list balance might look also at a more pure mid - given they have a few mid-forwards already with a medium sized playing tall fwd in Fogarty, also the go home town kid in Draper is there they don't pass on him.

So he could slip to 5.

I'm not saying I think that's realistic but rather highlighting how the top 5 are really splitting hairs and there's no standout no.1 - but rather the top 4 ish seem to be a real 1a, 1b, 1c type scenario where it comes down to personal preference and list fit rather than a clear cut order of who's best, 2nd and so on.

The positive in that is that it's not because it's a poor draft and there's no standout, but rather there's a whole bunch of standouts and no one stands out amongst the rest of the top bunch. We really can't got wrong at pick 3 afaic.

 

[JustaBattler]

Yeah but what do you notice at the top of that list of players - the name Patrick Cripps, a player that already plays for our club. So take a look at the midfields of the best sides in the competition: like Sydney, Port Adelaide, Western Bulldogs and you'll find fast, explosive midfielders like Chad Warner, Adam Treloar, Conor Rozee etc that compliment those every game superstars like Patrick Cripps.

Chad Warner had what effect in the GF exactly? Yep Treloar is a genuine gun. Coner Rozee - hmmm looks good in teh open when someone has handed him the ball with space to move in is all I've got say...

however - getting the ball is the start of everything and none of those blokes are A graders when it comes to that.

I see no one has bothered to have a go at answering my questions about all the kids on the list already "who arent being given opportunity by the close minded Voss" blah blah blah. - instead this focus on a pick 4 to fix all of Carltons midfield problems - sorry not a buyer of that 'logic'.

As for Cripps - imagine a Carlton midfield with him gone or missing - with Walsh and Cerra expected to get the job done. Not a buyer of that theory either after watching both plod around or not even be able to get on the park- all year. This expectation that Cripps will be Cripps for as long as it takes for others to play catch up or be developed is a tad too 'hopeful' in my book.

oh and btw - I am not advocating for choosing any player who isnt a good footballer - and cant run both ways, why do people always try and push an argument into extremes?

Anyway my care factor for draftees is the same as always was and always will be - it is a lottery.

 

[Bluebag13]

I wanted Draper, then it was Jagga, and most recently came around to FOS. Now it's changing by the hour and I'm genuinely undecided. I guess that's a good thing as can be happy whatever the outcome.

In the end it will come down to environment, development by Carlton, and the players intangilbles for which ever player we select.

Carlton selecting Draper as an example could be a totally different player in 5 and 10years time compared to if he was selected by Adelaide.

Draft is only one part of the story of a player.
Whoever we select, its a great opportunity to be in that's for sure, and in a way we can't go wrong

 

[bmaurizio]

I wanted Draper, then it was Jagga, and most recently came around to FOS. Now it's changing by the hour and I'm genuinely undecided. I guess that's a good thing as can be happy whatever the outcome.

Media gossip has a big influence this time of the year, next week will be an unstoppable frenzy, they create the hype , it’s all spun to attract revenue.
Our Recruiters have all the information they need to make an intelligent and expert choice one would hope, if they can’t get it pick a quality youngster with selection 3, they should be let go. O’Sullivan, Smith and or Langford are all excellent Victorian prospects, that’s the why I would lean.

 

[Coops93]

Chad Warner had what effect in the GF exactly?

This Grand Final just gone - none. However, the last one he was in, had one of the highest rated individual games ever.

He's absolutely a big game impact player and has done it many times. Not doing it in 1 game (where his entire team also shat the bed) doesn't change that. If we got someone like him it's a massive, massive win.

Agree re Rozee though, I feel like as a mid he's a downhill skiier - as is Ken Hinkley and the rest of his Port Power team mates.

 

[bigdog43]

I wanted Draper, then it was Jagga, and most recently came around to FOS. Now it's changing by the hour and I'm genuinely undecided. I guess that's a good thing as can be happy whatever the outcome.

I keep changing my mind as well and then I tell myself that Austin doesn't care what I think

 

[bmaurizio]

Don’t agree with suggesting the draft is a lottery theory. Natural ability, footy IQ, athleticism, strong character but well grounded and determination to succeed. These are the golden traits.
Our recruiting team is fully aware of what the team needs, it’s their function to find the youngsters. At selection 3 there’s no excuse.

 

[Lukeblueboy]

An article on sen where Hotton says he would love the blues to take him.

 

[tarczonandjane]

I wanted Draper, then it was Jagga, and most recently came around to FOS. Now it's changing by the hour and I'm genuinely undecided. I guess that's a good thing as can be happy whatever the outcome.

Just imagine if Big Footy was around when we were supposedly torn between James Cook and Jason McCartney. That would have been an epic thread!

 

[JustaBattler]

Don’t agree with suggesting the draft is a lottery theory. Natural ability, footy IQ, athleticism, strong character but well grounded and determination to succeed. These are the golden traits.
Our recruiting team is fully aware of what the team needs, it’s their function to find the youngsters. At selection 3 there’s no excuse.

Dow, SPS, Cuningham., Fisher, O'Brien, Philps, Menzel - do you really really need me to go on?