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Analysis 2024 National Draft
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Too many issues? Which are what?
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So you haven’t watched him live. All good
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Smith displays maturity, comes across a well grounded and humble youngster possessing all the attributes of a future captain. A skilled and determined young footballer.
Very impressed by his comportment on gettable.
Very impressed by his comportment on gettable.
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If we really do want Smith and North are prepared to take a f2 and pick 4 for pick 2, we may well end up getting bluffed into giving up something decent to get pick 2. Similar to Essendon last year for Caddy.
There’s a lot of mind games going on
There’s a lot of mind games going on
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And there you have it: Smith is probably a lock for top 3, just like I've been saying. Interested to see if we dangle FOS in front of Richmond if Adelaide do trade up to select Smith.
Draper would seem to be the slider of that top 8.
They're also projecting 2-3 years ahead in terms of draft pools and academy acquisitions, free agents, etc. Once you start doing that, their likely draft candidates start to narrow a bit.
At the point where we'd be picking up the phone to talk to Richmond, the trade would likely be 4 & 37 for 7 & 11/12.
But it also tells me if GWS wanted to jump up the order a bit further for somebody, we could probably net a similar deal from them with a pick in the 11-13 range and our future 3rd.
Draper would seem to be the slider of that top 8.
Clubs would be making calls and working out where things are falling by process of elimination. They're analysing every team's list, they're paying attention to who's contacting them about trades, what the DFA/SSP situations look like.
They're also projecting 2-3 years ahead in terms of draft pools and academy acquisitions, free agents, etc. Once you start doing that, their likely draft candidates start to narrow a bit.
At the point where we'd be picking up the phone to talk to Richmond, the trade would likely be 4 & 37 for 7 & 11/12.
I think we're ok with Duffy and Haynes for now, and I don't rate KPDs in this draft as being above the second round.
If the Kako and Lombard bids come through before Port's first pick, it's more like 15 & 30 for 19 & 24, which is pretty even overall.
But it also tells me if GWS wanted to jump up the order a bit further for somebody, we could probably net a similar deal from them with a pick in the 11-13 range and our future 3rd.
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Sugar hit vs who Carlton groupthink believe to be the best long term player... er... - same thing!
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The top 5 are all quality and bring different qualities to the table despite some people picking holes in them.
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I agree but also imagine Voss is saying things like... "let's use Harry and Charlie on the way out. If they don't mark it then they'll bring it to ground and let our smalls go to work. We can also use the king and crippa as those tall options too."
Personally, I absolutely hate it. We seem to try this option first before other options. Our transition from def is the worst on the eye given the long bombs down the line.
Fair enough to have your favourites but no need to make up garbage. They're all considered pretty tight for a reason.
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I think I understand the sentiment. A lot of Carlton fans I’ve seen have talked about picking Draper purely because he makes us better next year, and that’s it. Whereas someone like Langford or FOS may take a couple of seasons to really hit their straps. Not saying that Draper isn’t going to be a fantastic player, I will be ecstatic if we get him
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I hope we take JAGGA
His smarts and ball winning ability is something that can't be coached but is born with.
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“Sugar hit” is poor choice of wording, the premise I agree with.
Do u really want the developed, ultra professional kid.
He’s obviously worked his ass off, but u have to question what that loading does at a young age.
Yes it enables him to stand up day one, but is that what u really want?
IMO you want a few years of gradual build up, adding size/strength in a controlled environment.
Jagga is slight, but we would control his development.
Theres already questions about Drapers stress/load related back issues.
Walsh is the perfect example of ultra professional, super hard working/training who at 23 needed back surgery.
That’s not good!
That is not the development curve line u want.
Do u really want the developed, ultra professional kid.
He’s obviously worked his ass off, but u have to question what that loading does at a young age.
Yes it enables him to stand up day one, but is that what u really want?
IMO you want a few years of gradual build up, adding size/strength in a controlled environment.
Jagga is slight, but we would control his development.
Theres already questions about Drapers stress/load related back issues.
Walsh is the perfect example of ultra professional, super hard working/training who at 23 needed back surgery.
That’s not good!
That is not the development curve line u want.
Walsh was bad luck. More often than not, the highly professional player is more likely to be durable not the other way around. I wouldn't call Draper physically developed either. Has at least another 5 kgs worth of muscle to put on. Not like he is a man child, even though he's bigger than Smith. He's actually the youngest of all the top prospects too other than Lalor.
Yes, the injury is a concern, but I doubt we pick him if there are major red flags. If we pick him, I'm confident we've done our due diligence there.
Draper made the all Australian U18 team in 2023 and 2024, along with Levi Ashcroft the only two players in this draft to do so, and is widely regarded as SA best U18 prospect.
If what you say is true about Draper then Ben and Lucas mustn’t be much chop.
I think some of the exaggerated comparisons and descriptions about the top 5 or so players need to be dialled back a little.
This draft is the most overrated in history.
Time will tell. I certainly regard it as deep, having options for most positions through at least two rounds. The growing hype around the top end is a bit out there, however, with Lombard projected outside top 5, I tend to be more inclined to believe it. The Tauru Train is just illogical, yet Armstrong, Shanahan and a couple of others are behind a heap of mids and role players, where traditionally the higher rated KPP are top 10 locks.
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This is an interesting one, as we could hypothetically be a chance to nab Draper with a later pick if circumstances prevail. Its a big if, but this could be one scenario that may play out:
Pick 1 - Rich - Sam Lalor
Pick 2 - Adel - Jagga Smith (trade up with north as mooted)
Pick 3 will likely be FOS, but to whom is the question... With Pick 4 likely to be Tauru to North, we would have to weigh up whether Melbourne would prefer Langford or Draper at 5 (or perhaps even Smillie), as there could be a possibility of sliding down to 6 to nab Draper if the Dees go with Langford.
Not sure why, but I just see Langford as a perfect fit for Melbourne, particularly with the recent trade requests from Oliver and Trac, and Viney not getting any younger - he would be my pick if I was them (or Smillie). I think Draper makes less sense for them since Trent Rivers move into midfield this season as well.
If Richmond are willing to trade up from 6 (and probably a Smillie pick) to pick 3 for FOS, I'd be looking at something along the lines of 3, 38 & 63 for 6, 20 & 23, which after bids looks more like 3, 40 & 52 for 7, 24 & 27, which is pretty fair in terms of draft points. Tigers could get some mature agers like Davidson and Bice for the later picks, so they don't overdo taking youngsters, while also nabbing FOS and preserving their other top 11 picks.
We could end up with Draper at #6, and take two more picks in the 1st round (my preferences being Harry Oliver and Ollie Hannaford - each to their own, all hypothetical), before a bid match on Ben Camporeale.
Think Clancy Dennis and Lucas Camporeale will be available in the rookie draft, otherwise we can always shift to a 38-4 list structure to take them on the senior list at the ND (although unlikely given salary cap benefits of additional rookies).
Haul of Draper, Oliver, Hannaford, B Campo, L Campo (rookie), Dennis (rookie), DGB (ssp) & Duffy (cat B) would be pretty amazing. Would require a risk of trading down to Pick 6 (7 after Aschroft bid), but it could pay off.
The Adelaide-North trade watch will be very interesting and could set a chain reaction off. Also the trade makes a lot of sense for North, given Richmonds coyness for Pick #2, and safeguards against the "threat" of Melbourne at 5 for Tauru
No way Clancy Dennis reaches the rookie draft. Cats are in to him as well, he will go in the ND, and quite likely higher than most think. ~38 is in the right range, not impossible he goes higher
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