List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

[giantroo]

Spoiler: Confirmed Trades - Update - 11th October

Picks	Clubs	Result
Pick Trade	Brisbane & Richmond	Richmond receives Brisbane's 1R Pick (pick 20) Brisbane receives Richmond's 2R (32,42), 3R (43,45) Picks
Pick Trade	Carlton & Brisbane	Carlton receives Brisbane's R4 (73), 2025 R2 Pick Brisbane receives Carlton's R2(34), R4(66)
Pick Trade	Carlton & Hawthorn	Carlton receives Hawthorn's R1(14) pick Hawthorn receives Carlton's 2025 R1, R2 (tied to Carlton) picks

Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.

Carlton trade its 2024 Round 2 selection (currently 34) and 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 66) to Brisbane for its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 73) and 2025 Round 2 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

Carlton trade its 2025 Round 1 selection and 2025 Round 2 selection (tied to Carlton) to Hawthorn for its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 14) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

Player	Original Club	Trade/FA	New Club	Result
Isaac Cumming	GWS	UFA	Adelaide	End of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh Battle	St Kilda	UFA	Hawthorn	Round 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom Campbell	St Kilda	DFA	Melbourne	No Compensation
Harry Perryman	GWS	UFA	Collingwood	Round 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott Himmelberg	Adelaide	UFA	Gold Coast	No Compensation
Nick Haynes	GWS	UFA	Carlton	No Compensation
Alex Neal-Bullen	Melbourne	Trade	Adelaide	Round 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack Darling	West Coast	Trade	North Melbourne	Round 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack Graham	Richmond	UFA	West Coast	End of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Picks

 

[Twangler]

It is time to speed this rebuild up. We cannot afford to wait another 12 months. If we come bottom 3 next year we may as well close up the place.

Trade F1 for 9 and make a splash to get Houston or at the very least get another top 10 pick this year which is by all reports a stacked draft.

Could it backfire massively? Yes.
Is it a risk ? Yes
Is it something we should be doing? Absolutely.

Yep agree, now is the time to take these risks. Though I think it reasonable to expect Bombers to throw their F2 in the mix if we offer our F1

 

[perplexed]

It is time to speed this rebuild up. We cannot afford to wait another 12 months. If we come bottom 3 next year we may as well close up the place.

Trade F1 for 9 and make a splash to get Houston or at the very least get another top 10 pick this year which is by all reports a stacked draft.

Could it backfire massively? Yes.
Is it a risk ? Yes
Is it something we should be doing? Absolutely.

I think the trade is fine in a 3-way with our two besties to get Houston. I wouldn't do the * trade then try and negotiate with Port - who would likely try and get more than pick 9.

 

[archereleven]

There’s always one that is all the rage on the interwebs by the fans that gets drafted late or not at all.
I very much doubt tauru gets taken before pick 6

Like Gerreyn...

I've seen posters say we should 'nab' him at pick 13 if we get 6, 13 in a trade lol

If I was to guess, Gerreyn will go anywhere from 20-30 depending on the teams in the West.

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[Kangaroos4eva]

* would need to sweeten the deal if they want our F1.

Pick 9 will only be part of the deal.

We are coming to them though and they have multiple suitors. If anything, we may need to throw current draft points back.

Even if we get 9, port will ask for our 20s pick too.

While heavily tilted, I think we lack the leverage. (Ideally it will be just f1 for 9)

F1 and 62 for 9

9 and R2 for Houston.


I know this trade is going to piss off people, but it is a potential trade scenario, so it can’t hurt you.

 

[Zondor]

I'm glad you see some good points considering 99% of your posts are either negative or abusive. Well done.

We have finished bottom 2 for the last 5 years. We have made plenty of mistakes. Name one. Just one. :stern look

 

[BrownPaperBag]

We are coming to them though and they have multiple suitors. If anything, we may need to throw current draft points back.

Even if we get 9, port will ask for our 20s pick too.

Like I said I think 9 for f1 is uncomfortable enough for everyone to feel comfortable.

The only wrinkle is if the dons try to get 2 by using 9 + something else (which I don’t think would be good for us)

 

[pupstar]

We have finished bottom 2 for the last 5 years. We have made plenty of mistakes. Name one. Just one. :stern look

Picking Noble for coach would be the biggest mistake i would think.

 

[Zondor]

It is time to speed this rebuild up. We cannot afford to wait another 12 months. If we come bottom 3 next year we may as well close up the place.

Trade F1 for 9 and make a splash to get Houston or at the very least get another top 10 pick this year which is by all reports a stacked draft.

Could it backfire massively? Yes.
Is it a risk ? Yes
Is it something we should be doing? Absolutely.

I’m sorry but this what rebuilds look like. Patience. :stern look

 

[Twangler]

We are coming to them though and they have multiple suitors. If anything, we may need to throw current draft points back.

Even if we get 9, port will ask for our 20s pick too.

Yes but if ours is the most attractive offer by far then I don’t think it’s out of the question

 

[Zondor]

Picking Noble for coach would be the biggest mistake i would think.

Congratulations. It was like trying to get blood out of a stone but we got there in the end. :stern look

 

[BrownPaperBag]

Picking Noble for coach would be the biggest mistake i would think.

Noble
JHF (sorry just have to list it)
Younie
Scouting team and the walk out
CCJ
Not necessarily our fault but the TT handling

Lack of proper kpd coverage
Drafting of players coming off serious injury (Flynn and George sure BG might still make it but we’d have needed lots of first team impact l)

Now I’m not posting this for a woe is us thing, but effects of this still in many ways need to be fixed and resolved not point dwelling on it but we need to fix it

 

[GS WARRIORS]

My opinion (with no intel) is that we are trying for 1 of 2 scenarios:

1 - Tauru, Houston, Trainor
2 - Tauru, Travaglia, Trainor

I really think we’re trying to fix our backline in one hit. (and I think Tauru is a forward)

Agree with Tauru a forward, from the little I've seen.

I see him as CHF that gets up the ground that gives the team a strong target in the air but will really compete at ground as well. Get back in defence and help out. His kicking in his senior debut from 2023 looked better than the vision this year. Was kicking on both feet.

He has looked good leading from deep in the forward line as well.

Really hope we pick him up. Would love to get Tauru and FOS somehow, plus Hannaford.

 

[bigosacr]

F1 swap with *
In - 9
Out - 20's pick

 

[pupstar]

Congratulations. It was like trying to get blood out of a stone but we got there in the end. :stern look

Make the most of it cause you won't get another one.

 

[BrownPaperBag]

F1 swap with *
In - 9
Out - 20's pick

So f1 and 20s ….no way

 

[GS WARRIORS]

F2 swap with *
In - 9
Out - 20's pick

Corrected for reality but * wouldn't do it.

 

[Zondor]

Make the most of it cause you won't get another one.

LOL. So if the club keep on making Brain Dead decisions I gather you’ll be happy with that? :stern look

 

[XU1-ROO]

Would rather use a pick on Tauru than on Houston

 

[zoomba23]

Picking Noble for coach would be the biggest mistake i would think.

I've run this one over pointlessly in my head quite a bit.

I defended him at the time on the ill-founded basis that there was no way a coach could take such a backwards step in his progression without an obvious cause. But then when we look at it just at a slightly deeper level based on observations from any given interview:

Fairly awkward communicator

No warmth to speak of

Slightly smarmy way about him. Not overt, but enough beneath the surface

And whoever interviewed him at the club was satisfied he was the man to lead and form meaningful relationships with a bunch of young men, over whoever else was available at the time. I just cannot grasp how we did that. Do we know how human relationships work? Are we aware of the distinction between administrative and personal roles, and that a senior coach requires a bit from column A and a whole lot from column B?

The incompetence at the club really ran quite deeply, and boy did we pay for it

 

[bennymate]

My opinion (with no intel) is that we are trying for 1 of 2 scenarios:

1 - Tauru, Houston, Trainor
2 - Tauru, Travaglia, Trainor

I really think we’re trying to fix our backline in one hit. (and I think Tauru is a forward)

Tauru purely so we can shout rooooooo when he marks it.

 

[lockheed]

Entitlement is a helluva drug.

And it pairs so well with denial

 

[pupstar]

I've run this one over pointlessly in my head quite a bit.

I defended him at the time on the ill-founded basis that there was no way a coach could take such a backwards step in his progression without an obvious cause. But then when we look at it just at a slightly deeper level based on observations from any given interview:

Fairly awkward communicator

No warmth to speak of

Slightly smarmy way about him. Not overt, but enough beneath the surface

And whoever interviewed him at the club was satisfied he was the man to lead and form meaningful relationships with a bunch of young men, over whoever else was available at the time. I just cannot grasp how we did that. Do we know how human relationships work? Are we aware of the distinction between administrative and personal roles, and that a senior coach requires a bit from column A and a whole lot from column B?

The incompetence at the club really ran quite deeply, and boy did we pay for it

I am glad its fixed now . Onwards and upwards from here.

 

[BrownPaperBag]

I've run this one over pointlessly in my head quite a bit.

I defended him at the time on the ill-founded basis that there was no way a coach could take such a backwards step in his progression without an obvious cause. But then when we look at it just at a slightly deeper level based on observations from any given interview:

Fairly awkward communicator

No warmth to speak of

Slightly smarmy way about him. Not overt, but enough beneath the surface

And whoever interviewed him at the club was satisfied he was the man to lead and form meaningful relationships with a bunch of young men, over whoever else was available at the time. I just cannot grasp how we did that. Do we know how human relationships work? Are we aware of the distinction between administrative and personal roles, and that a senior coach requires a bit from column A and a whole lot from column B?

The incompetence at the club really ran quite deeply, and boy did we pay for it

Oh add the Paul Roos consultancy to my list. The ****ing charlatan

 

[Disco Dew]

So I was having a deconstructed frappe mocha soy almond oat full cream milk from a snow fox latte this afternoon down at some fancy establishment in Black Rock with the owner of the dog that went to the same puppy school as former marathon runner Steve Moneghetti‘s dog many years ago.
Now he told me that his mums house cleaners cousins aunties uncles father Greg was saying that George is in fact very happy and that there’s nothing to worry about.

Make of that what you will.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

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