List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

giantroo · Oct 4, 2024

Picks	Clubs	Result
15-10-24 - Pick Trade	StKilda & Brisbane	Brisbane receives St Kilda's R2 (27) Pick St Kilda receives Brisbane's R2 (32,45) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Essendon	Melbourne receives Essendon's R1 (9), 2025 R3 Pick Essendon receives Melbourne's 2025 F1, 2024 R2 (28,40), R3(46,54), R4 (65) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Adelaide	Adelaide receives Melbourne's 2025 3R Pick Melbourne receives Adelaide's 2024 3R(46) Pick
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Brisbane & Richmond	Richmond receives Brisbane's 1R Pick (pick 20) Brisbane receives Richmond's 2R (32,42), 3R (43,45) Picks
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Brisbane	Carlton receives Brisbane's R4 (73), 2025 R2 Pick Brisbane receives Carlton's R2(34), R4(66)
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Hawthorn	Carlton receives Hawthorn's R1(14) pick Hawthorn receives Carlton's 2025 R1, R2 (tied to Carlton) picks

Player	Original Club	Trade/FA	New Club	Result
Daniel Rioli	Richmond	Trade	Gold Coast	Gold Coast receive Richmond's Daniel Rioli 17 Daniel Rioli Age 27 Ht 179cm Wt 78kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 11.2 3 K 5.8 2 HB 5.4 4 M 2.7 3 T 3.2 5 MG 179.2 3 D 8.1 2 K 4.9 2 HB 3.3 2 M 2.0 2 T 2.6 4 MG 144.9 3 D 9.0 3 K 3.8 2 HB 5.2 4 M 0.8 1 T 3.8 5 MG 160.2 3 , R4 (51,61,70,76) Picks Richmond receive GC's R1(6), R2(23) Picks
Shai Bolton	Richmond	Trade	Fremantle	Fremantle receive Richmond's Shai Bolton 29 Shai Bolton Age 25 Ht 176cm Wt 77kg Pos. M/F Career Season Last 5 D 12.3 3 K 6.9 3 HB 5.4 4 M 2.8 3 T 2.9 4 CL 1.4 4 D 12.7 3 K 9.2 4 HB 3.5 2 M 3.0 3 T 2.7 4 CL 1.8 4 D 9.2 3 K 4.6 2 HB 4.6 4 M 2.0 3 T 2.6 4 CL 0.0 1 , R1(14), 2025 R3 Pick. Richmond receive Fremantle's R1(10,11,18) Picks
Harry Sharp	Brisbane & Melbourne	Trade	Melbourne	Melbourne receives Brisbane's Harry Sharp, 2025 R3 pick (tied to Brisbane) Brisbane receives Melbourne's 2024 R3(49), 2025 R3 pick (tied to Essendon).
Dan Houston Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 3 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 4 MG 369.3 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 2 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 3 MG 369.3 5 D 13.6 4 K 11.2 4 HB 2.4 3 M 4.2 4 T 2.2 4 MG 358.0 5 Joe Richards Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5 K 12.1 4 HB 7.9 5 M 4.6 4 T 1.9 4 MG 367.4 5 D 9.0 2 K 5.0 2 HB 4.0 3 M 0.3 1 T 2.7 4 MG 147.7 3 D 14.2 4 K 8.8 4 HB 5.4 4 M 4.0 4 T 1.2 3 MG 217.8 4 John Noble 9 John Noble Age 27 Ht 180cm Wt 72kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 16.3 4 K 9.2 4 HB 7.1 4 M 3.5 4 T 2.0 4 MG 186.1 3 D 14.2 3 K 7.7 3 HB 6.5 4 M 3.2 3 T 1.8 3 MG 149.7 3 D 18.8 5 K 11.0 4 HB 7.8 5 M 4.0 4 T 2.2 4 MG 229.8 4	Port Adelaide Gold Coast Collingwood Gold Coast Collingwood	Trade	Collingwood Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Gold Coast	Port Adelaide receives GC's R1(13),GC R2(29,36), GC R3(50) Picks, Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 3 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 4 MG 369.3 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 2 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 3 MG 369.3 5 D 13.6 4 K 11.2 4 HB 2.4 3 M 4.2 4 T 2.2 4 MG 358.0 5 , Joe Richards, Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5 K 12.1 4 HB 7.9 5 M 4.6 4 T 1.9 4 MG 367.4 5 D 9.0 2 K 5.0 2 HB 4.0 3 M 0.3 1 T 2.7 4 MG 147.7 3 D 14.2 4 K 8.8 4 HB 5.4 4 M 4.0 4 T 1.2 3 MG 217.8 4 Gold Coast receives Collingwood's 2025 F1, PA's 2025 F1, PA R2(39) Collingwood receive Dan Houston 5 Dan Houston Age 27 Ht 186cm Wt 88kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 18.2 5 K 11.8 4 HB 6.4 4 M 4.9 5 T 3.0 5 MG 289.2 4 D 17.6 4 K 11.6 4 HB 6.0 3 M 3.3 3 T 3.4 4 MG 319.9 5 D 16.6 4 K 12.4 5 HB 4.2 4 M 7.0 5 T 2.6 4 MG 279.8 5 , PA R4(58)
Matt Owies Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4 K 7.8 3 HB 7.9 5 M 3.2 3 T 2.6 4 MG 222.2 3 D 14.6 4 K 6.8 3 HB 7.9 4 M 3.8 4 T 1.8 3 MG 191.9 3 D 14.4 4 K 6.2 3 HB 8.2 5 M 1.6 2 T 1.8 4 MG 224.2 4	Carlton & Richmond	Trade	West Coast	Round 1 pick (3), Round 4 (63,68) to Carlton Round 1 Pick (14) to Richmond Round 1 Pick(12), R4 (73) to WCE Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4 K 7.8 3 HB 7.9 5 M 3.2 3 T 2.6 4 MG 222.2 3 D 14.6 4 K 6.8 3 HB 7.9 4 M 3.8 4 T 1.8 3 MG 191.9 3 D 14.4 4 K 6.2 3 HB 8.2 5 M 1.6 2 T 1.8 4 MG 224.2 4 to WCE Matt Owies to WCE
Isaac Cumming	GWS	UFA	Adelaide	End of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh Battle	St Kilda	UFA	Hawthorn	Round 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom Campbell	St Kilda	DFA	Melbourne	No Compensation
Harry Perryman	GWS	UFA	Collingwood	Round 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott Himmelberg	Adelaide	UFA	Gold Coast	No Compensation
Nick Haynes	GWS	UFA	Carlton	No Compensation
Alex Neal-Bullen	Melbourne	Trade	Adelaide	Round 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack Darling	West Coast	Trade	North Melbourne	Round 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack Graham	Richmond	UFA	West Coast	End of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Brisbane Lions trade Harry Sharp and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Brisbane) to Melbourne for its 2024 Round 3 pick (currently 49) and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Essendon).
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Collingwood get Houston and Pick 58 and give up: a future first round pick, Joe Richards to Port and John Noble to Gold Coast

Port get Jack Lukosius, Richards, Rory Atkins, picks 13, 29, 36 and 50 in this year’s draft while letting Houston go to Collingwood, their future first round pick, pick 39 in this year’s goes to Gold Coast and pick 58 goes to Collingwood.

Gold Coast get Noble, a future first round pick from each of Collingwood and Port Adelaide, and pick 39 (received from Port), while the Suns send Lukosius and Atkins, picks 13, 29 and 50 to Port Adelaide.
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St Kilda trade its Round Two selection (currently 27) to the Brisbane Lions for its Round Two selection (currently 32) and its Round Three selection (currently 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Three club trade approved.Richmond trade Liam Baker to the West Coast Eagles.West Coast Eagles trade its Round One selection (currently 3) and both its Round Four selections (currently 63 and 68) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft to Carlton.
Carlton trade Matthew Owies, its Round One selection (currently 12) and its Round Four selection (currently 73) to West Coast Eagles. Carlton trade its Round One selection (currently 14 ) to Richmond.
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Melbourne trade its two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 28 and 40), two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 46 and 54), its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 65) and its 2025 Round 1 selection to Essendon.
Essendon trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 9) and its 2025 Round 3 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively to Melbourne.
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Melbourne trade its 2025 Round 3 selection to the Adelaide Crows for its 2024 Round 3 selection (currently 46) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Carlton trade its 2024 Round 2 selection (currently 34) and 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 66) to Brisbane for its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 73) and 2025 Round 2 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Carlton trade its 2025 Round 1 selection and 2025 Round 2 selection (tied to Carlton) to Hawthorn for its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 14) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

Waynesworld · 2024-10-16T20:29:08+1100

The Nostradamus said:
yeah but how much better if it were a f3 and 44 given

and at 25 we pick a KPF like Gerryen

Yep but it wasn’t, and probably was never going to happen.

You know, if my auntie had balls she’d be my uncle kind of thing?

So Clarko wanted an experienced half back, and he wanted someone to step in now rather than risking a long term draft pick.

Ichiro #51 · 2024-10-16T20:29:21+1100

I’m generally pretty critical of a lot of our list management decisions but I’m not unhappy with the CD deal. I like Daniel as a player and a fit because he has a clear strength in a clear area of weakness for us.

I’m not in the least worried that he was in and out of the dogs side this year - Bevo is a genuine nutbar - if anything I can see Daniel being a much better player for us than he ever was at the dogs.

I’m absolutely wrapped to get Parker and fine with Konstanty as a peg at the stumps in a position of need.

The Nostradamus · 2024-10-16T20:29:41+1100

Waynesworld said:
Yep but it wasn’t, and probably was never going to happen.

You know, if my auntie had balls she’d be my uncle kind of thing?

So Clarko wanted an experienced half back, and he wanted someone to step in now rather than risking a long term draft pick.

well then you walk away or give a future second
not cave for 25

shinboner magic · 2024-10-16T20:29:55+1100

So how many we got on the list now

The Y Factor · 2024-10-16T20:29:56+1100

chubbspeterson said:
It's more the list balance. That was a good chance to add Gerreyn/Faull/Sims as a key forward or Matt Whitlock as a key defender or small forward like Hannaford at pick 25.

So I assume you think our off season is finished?

Trade week is phase 1.

The draft is phase two. The team have made it clear we are looking to bring F1 into it and also trade down.

The job isn’t done yet and the club have told us they have plans to hit this draft.

We have achieved phase one, with Parker, Darling, Daniel, pick 2 and retaining next years first round pick.

Now for the draft.

Patience

datakid · 2024-10-16T20:30:20+1100

It's been three and a half hours. LOL

DuckYeah · 2024-10-16T20:30:47+1100

ansonholt said:
Way too much whingeing on here. But I accept that. It's Bigfooty. Par for the course.

Clarko said we needed experience, so we bring in three premiership players. Can't argue with that.

Some wanted pick 48 back with CD when we gave up 25. Which bona fide champion player would we have drafted with pick 48??

Some wanted to give up our F2 rather than 25, without realising that F2 would have BEEN 25 in or thereabouts in 2025. Somehow in some people's minds F2 is pretty much a throwaway but 25 is valuable. Come on guys.

We needed experience, not more speculative young players. We have tons of those. We got experience. It was a good result. Be happy. We still have pick 2 as well.

If we held 46 and had 48, could move up in the draft for a pick in the 20’s.

LuvtheKangas · 2024-10-16T20:30:49+1100

AnEmptyChair said:
Honestly the worst part about this trade isn't pick 25

It's how many people will consistently get his name wrong and call him ****ing Daniels on here

Nah, the whinging is worse.

The Nostradamus · 2024-10-16T20:30:59+1100

shinboner magic said:
So how many we got on the list now

got rid of 7
brought in 4 plus 2msd
plus we have pick 2 and 62

1 more player needs to make way (drury)

i think we will get rid of 2 out of the 3 in limbo to give us flexibility

i'd keep coop but on the rookie list

Grogg · 2024-10-16T20:31:34+1100

AnEmptyChair said:
We definitely overpaid for Daniel, I don't dispute that.

But he is a good player and he does make us better. His kicking is a point of difference and allows us to actually keep the footy in transition which helps both phases, which we have struggled with for ages

Agree, but I think this trade represents the situation as it stands.

Any more demoralising hammerings will destroy the psyche of a group of young guns that expect to be in the game.

Individually he doesn't tip the balance. Add Parker and the professionalism of Darling and we are starting to address the Mariana Trench of leadership at the club.

HELLSBELLS · 2024-10-16T20:31:39+1100

Caleb Daniel the Next Higgins.

The Y Factor · 2024-10-16T20:31:42+1100

Ichiro #51 said:
I’m generally pretty critical of a lot of our list management decisions but I’m not unhappy with the CD deal. I like Daniel as a player and a fit because he has a clear strength in a clear area of weakness for us.

I’m not in the least worried that he was in and out of the dogs side this year - Bevo is a genuine nutbar - if anything I can see Daniel being a much better player for us than he ever was at the dogs.

I’m absolutely wrapped to get Parker and fine with Konstanty as a peg at the stumps in a position of need.

Exactly and it f Caleb comes in and helps McKercher reach his potential then BINGO.

That’s the bigger picture and the club have told us this.

Jeremy Jordan · 2024-10-16T20:32:02+1100

The Nostradamus said:
well then you walk away or give a future second
not cave for 25

So say we finish bottom 8 next year, what would a future 2nd pick be?

FootySmartSimpson · 2024-10-16T20:32:44+1100

Now to improve our depleted draft hand. 2 & 62 is not ideal with so many list holes, so few young KPPs and so many KPPs starring in the u18s.

Work your magic Brady. Just focus on the numbers. This is what you get paid for. What value can he get from 2, F1, F2?

the big lebowski · 2024-10-16T20:33:07+1100

So we brought in 3 All Australians and a small forward that applies pressure at a minimum.

kool kangas · 2024-10-16T20:33:19+1100

Shinboner roo said:
We ain't taking only pick 2 and as it stands now our other pick in the 60's to the draft. We are 100% splitting it now, our only hope is our ff nets us something decent in return and we can keep 2

We should be looking at trading our F1st first before offering up pick#2 for splitting..

Waynesworld · 2024-10-16T20:33:46+1100

The Nostradamus said:
well then you walk away or give a future second
not cave for 25

Sometimes you simply need to pay overs to get what you want.

Samsquanch · 2024-10-16T20:33:48+1100

Themanbun said:
Our rebound game sucked because we don't have any forwards who know how to lead.

But the biggest problem was, our guys still kicked the ball to the non-leading stagnant forward line anyway. Obviously, we're expecting some decent on-field coaching to create movement so that is less likely next year, but as much as I (honestly) don't like Daniel, I appreciate his ability to manage possession in the backline and that might reduce the kick it anywhere type mentality that currently exists, allowing for our younger blokes to see a few viable targets when they get their chance to unload.

I don't know what they'll do about Luke McDonald, but if I'm Clarko, when the votes are tossed into the hat for the captaincy next year, I'm doing a very clever switch when the players are distracted and pulling out an identical looking hat with a set of very carefully curated votes to ensure that the outcome is "favourable" to the team's chances of winning a few games.

perplexed · 2024-10-16T20:33:54+1100

Well, I hated that. But anyway.

40 players are signed for next year and the maximum list size for us is 44. So only 4 free list spots (assuming we cut Drury, Cooper and Laz - who are all unsigned).

If we take River and one of the Werribee boys, we'll only have 2 other spots at the draft. That is really not good considering its strength. Probably best to payout CCJ and Stevo to give us a few more options, even if we don't end up using them.

FootySmartSimpson · 2024-10-16T20:34:10+1100

AnEmptyChair said:
Honestly the worst part about this trade isn't pick 25

It's how many people will consistently get his name wrong and call him ****ing Daniels on here

Only if North turn him into a spud.

chubbspeterson · 2024-10-16T20:35:01+1100

B4Bear said:
In the draft?

Great, just what we need more kids getting fed into the meat grinder of a club with low on-field standards and leadership.

Yes we haven't taken a key forward in the draft since Comben in 2019 and Maley last year as a rookie.
They don't play AFL to start with. They develop at VFL level and learn off Darling and come into the side in a few years.
We don't have anybody developing as a key forward apart from Maley. I don't count Pink or Teakle, they are stop gaps.

THE_GUN · 2024-10-16T20:35:01+1100

roos_fanatic08 said:
Be honest would you trade a top 3 pick for 4 picks beyond 15?

No but i would for #6 & #18 in norths position
really depends on what else is available

But as a Richmond supporter where you could throw a blanket over the first 7/8 picks i wouldnt give up more than a pick #18 as the bonus.

Anyway thats for Blair & Brady to work out , I just thought in such an even draft you guys could get 2 KPP and 2 mid/smalls

Ashley B · 2024-10-16T20:35:04+1100

If we split 2 has to be for a pick close like a 6 and another first round . Or we keep two and trade out next yrs 1st wonder if we could get 2 first rounders for that instead

king of the road · 2024-10-16T20:35:05+1100

I would rather slightly overpay for Daniel than completely and utterly over pay for Houston… and in turn help out Port.
Win win.

Jindrrk · 2024-10-16T20:35:13+1100

THE_GUN said:
Excuse the intrusion

I can understand the melts about not having picks but there are multiple options still available with pick 2

#2 for #6 + #18
on trade #6 to Gws #15 , #16 , #21

North end up with #15 , #16 , #18 , #21

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