List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

[giantroo]

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Picks

 

[Ichiro #51]

I’m generally pretty critical of a lot of our list management decisions but I’m not unhappy with the CD deal. I like Daniel as a player and a fit because he has a clear strength in a clear area of weakness for us.

I’m not in the least worried that he was in and out of the dogs side this year - Bevo is a genuine nutbar - if anything I can see Daniel being a much better player for us than he ever was at the dogs.

I’m absolutely wrapped to get Parker and fine with Konstanty as a peg at the stumps in a position of need.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Yep but it wasn’t, and probably was never going to happen.

You know, if my auntie had balls she’d be my uncle kind of thing?

So Clarko wanted an experienced half back, and he wanted someone to step in now rather than risking a long term draft pick.

well then you walk away or give a future second
not cave for 25

 

[shinboner magic]

So how many we got on the list now

 

[The Y Factor]

It's more the list balance. That was a good chance to add Gerreyn/Faull/Sims as a key forward or Matt Whitlock as a key defender or small forward like Hannaford at pick 25.

So I assume you think our off season is finished?

Trade week is phase 1.

The draft is phase two. The team have made it clear we are looking to bring F1 into it and also trade down.

The job isn’t done yet and the club have told us they have plans to hit this draft.

We have achieved phase one, with Parker, Darling, Daniel, pick 2 and retaining next years first round pick.

Now for the draft.

Patience

 

[datakid]

It's been three and a half hours. LOL

 

[DuckYeah]

Way too much whingeing on here. But I accept that. It's Bigfooty. Par for the course.

Clarko said we needed experience, so we bring in three premiership players. Can't argue with that.

Some wanted pick 48 back with CD when we gave up 25. Which bona fide champion player would we have drafted with pick 48??

Some wanted to give up our F2 rather than 25, without realising that F2 would have BEEN 25 in or thereabouts in 2025. Somehow in some people's minds F2 is pretty much a throwaway but 25 is valuable. Come on guys.

We needed experience, not more speculative young players. We have tons of those. We got experience. It was a good result. Be happy. We still have pick 2 as well.

If we held 46 and had 48, could move up in the draft for a pick in the 20’s.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Honestly the worst part about this trade isn't pick 25

It's how many people will consistently get his name wrong and call him ****ing Daniels on here

Nah, the whinging is worse.

 

[The Nostradamus]

So how many we got on the list now

got rid of 7
brought in 4 plus 2msd
plus we have pick 2 and 62

1 more player needs to make way (drury)

i think we will get rid of 2 out of the 3 in limbo to give us flexibility

i'd keep coop but on the rookie list

 

[Grogg]

We definitely overpaid for Daniel, I don't dispute that.

But he is a good player and he does make us better. His kicking is a point of difference and allows us to actually keep the footy in transition which helps both phases, which we have struggled with for ages

Agree, but I think this trade represents the situation as it stands.

Any more demoralising hammerings will destroy the psyche of a group of young guns that expect to be in the game.

Individually he doesn't tip the balance. Add Parker and the professionalism of Darling and we are starting to address the Mariana Trench of leadership at the club.

 

[HELLSBELLS]

Caleb Daniel

5

Caleb Daniel

Age

28

Ht

171cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

19.5

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

CL

1.0

3star

D

16.4

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

the Next Higgins.

 

[The Y Factor]

I’m generally pretty critical of a lot of our list management decisions but I’m not unhappy with the CD deal. I like Daniel as a player and a fit because he has a clear strength in a clear area of weakness for us.

I’m not in the least worried that he was in and out of the dogs side this year - Bevo is a genuine nutbar - if anything I can see Daniel being a much better player for us than he ever was at the dogs.

I’m absolutely wrapped to get Parker and fine with Konstanty as a peg at the stumps in a position of need.

Exactly and it f Caleb comes in and helps McKercher reach his potential then BINGO.

That’s the bigger picture and the club have told us this.

 

[Jeremy Jordan]

well then you walk away or give a future second
not cave for 25

So say we finish bottom 8 next year, what would a future 2nd pick be?

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

Now to improve our depleted draft hand. 2 & 62 is not ideal with so many list holes, so few young KPPs and so many KPPs starring in the u18s.

Work your magic Brady. Just focus on the numbers. This is what you get paid for. What value can he get from 2, F1, F2?

 

[the big lebowski]

So we brought in 3 All Australians and a small forward that applies pressure at a minimum.

 

[kool kangas]

We ain't taking only pick 2 and as it stands now our other pick in the 60's to the draft. We are 100% splitting it now, our only hope is our ff nets us something decent in return and we can keep 2

We should be looking at trading our F1st first before offering up pick#2 for splitting..

 

[Waynesworld]

well then you walk away or give a future second
not cave for 25

Sometimes you simply need to pay overs to get what you want.

 

[Samsquanch]

Our rebound game sucked because we don't have any forwards who know how to lead.

But the biggest problem was, our guys still kicked the ball to the non-leading stagnant forward line anyway. Obviously, we're expecting some decent on-field coaching to create movement so that is less likely next year, but as much as I (honestly) don't like Daniel, I appreciate his ability to manage possession in the backline and that might reduce the kick it anywhere type mentality that currently exists, allowing for our younger blokes to see a few viable targets when they get their chance to unload.

I don't know what they'll do about Luke McDonald, but if I'm Clarko, when the votes are tossed into the hat for the captaincy next year, I'm doing a very clever switch when the players are distracted and pulling out an identical looking hat with a set of very carefully curated votes to ensure that the outcome is "favourable" to the team's chances of winning a few games.

 

[perplexed]

Well, I hated that. But anyway.

40 players are signed for next year and the maximum list size for us is 44. So only 4 free list spots (assuming we cut Drury, Cooper and Laz - who are all unsigned).

If we take River and one of the Werribee boys, we'll only have 2 other spots at the draft. That is really not good considering its strength. Probably best to payout CCJ and Stevo to give us a few more options, even if we don't end up using them.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

Honestly the worst part about this trade isn't pick 25

It's how many people will consistently get his name wrong and call him ****ing Daniels on here

Only if North turn him into a spud.

 

[chubbspeterson]

In the draft?

Great, just what we need more kids getting fed into the meat grinder of a club with low on-field standards and leadership.

Yes we haven't taken a key forward in the draft since Comben in 2019 and Maley last year as a rookie.
They don't play AFL to start with. They develop at VFL level and learn off Darling and come into the side in a few years.
We don't have anybody developing as a key forward apart from Maley. I don't count Pink or Teakle, they are stop gaps.

 

[THE_GUN]

Be honest would you trade a top 3 pick for 4 picks beyond 15?

No but i would for #6 & #18 in norths position
really depends on what else is available

But as a Richmond supporter where you could throw a blanket over the first 7/8 picks i wouldnt give up more than a pick #18 as the bonus.

Anyway thats for Blair & Brady to work out , I just thought in such an even draft you guys could get 2 KPP and 2 mid/smalls

 

[Ashley B]

If we split 2 has to be for a pick close like a 6 and another first round . Or we keep two and trade out next yrs 1st wonder if we could get 2 first rounders for that instead

 

[king of the road]

I would rather slightly overpay for Daniel than completely and utterly over pay for Houston… and in turn help out Port.
Win win.

 

[Jindrrk]

Excuse the intrusion

I can understand the melts about not having picks but there are multiple options still available with pick 2

#2 for #6 + #18
on trade #6 to Gws #15 , #16 , #21

North end up with #15 , #16 , #18 , #21

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[The Nostradamus]

Well, I hated that. But anyway.

40 players are signed for next year and the maximum list size for us is 44. So only 4 free list spots (assuming we cut Drury, Cooper and Laz - who are all unsigned).

If we take River and one of the Werribee boys, we'll only have 2 other spots at the draft. That is really not good considering its strength. Probably best to payout CCJ and Stevo to give us a few more options, even if we don't end up using them.

river is not worth a spot

reevaluate next year for a rookie spot

noone is picking him

and your numbers are wrong we have 2 free list spots atm without cutting anyone it has been confirmed we keep 2 extra spots

cut drury gives us 3 spots